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Bluedemocrat, this will be my last response to you if you continue to skim my writings without reading them.

*Tear*

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A fine could be more appropriate, and perhaps after several convictions, jail time. After all, we would do the same in other cases.

Here's your alternate solution: Leave them alone. They don't affect me. They don't affect you. They don't affect anyone for that matter. Homosexuality has existed since the Roman Empire (at least). Many of the emporers engaged in homosexual conduct. Homosexuality has yet to destroy or even harm society.

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I find it interesting that you chose to ignore my claim of necrophilia,

I find weird and gross. That doesn't mean that it is wrong. I really don't know enough about it to comment.

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********ity

What did you mean to say here?

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If reproduction did not occur, our spieces could not endure and would eventually cease.

It has been suggested that homosexuality is a means of population control. For all we know it may be a mutation, but who knows? Personally, I believe that sexuality is determined by multiple genes (polygenic). If a person is recessive at all gene loci, then they are homosexual. Most people are have a few recessive alleles. This ensures that the homosexuality gene always survives.

Bluedemocrat, this will be my last response to you if you continue to skim my writings without reading them.

As far as locking up the homosexuals for their conduct, that may be a bit rash, although it was done (Lawrence v. Texas). A fine could be more appropriate, and perhaps after several convictions, jail time. After all, we would do the same in other cases. I believe you are correct that it is illegal for minor to have consensual sex. If anything, this further proves my point. Along with pedophilia, there is an age of knowledge that must be reached so that the full ramification of ones actions can be known. The fact that minors cannot have sex is because of this. I find it interesting that you chose to ignore my claim of necrophilia, I'll also throw ********ity into the mix. These are actions that do not harm another person than the one doing them, much as your claim for homosexuality. Are we to allow these as well? Your reasoning seems to suggest so.

Heterosexual marriages meet the base requirement of being, all things equal, able to reproduce. They need not, but they have the capability to. My point here is that this is natural for a man and woman to be together. If reproduction did not occur, our spieces could not endure and would eventually cease. It is for this evolutionary reason that heterosexualism is natural, whereas homosexualism is not. As for your response that it is not for us to determine was is "naturally" wrong, I beg to differ, as I have shown above.

Now I ask two things of you. First, critically read my posts so that you do not make the same mistake of forcing me to repeat myself. Second, raise interesting commentary in response to my posts or an innovative thought. All you do is raise objections which I have no problem dismissing. Don't simply object, provide an alternative explanation as I have done. That way, I am better able to grasp precisely the objection you are trying to make as well as develop a more thoughtful correspondence.

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Even if homsexuality is genetic, which I'm still skeptical of, it doesn't mean that it is right to participate in a homosexual relationship.

So what do you propose that we "do" with the homosexual population? Lock them up?

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Many people have genetic dispositions to desire sexual relationships with children, we call them pedophiliacs.

The consent issue comes up again. Also, isn't it illegal for children/ minors to have sex, even consenual sex?

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Adam and Steve can never do so

Are marriages/ relationships simply meant for reproduction? Many heterosexual marriages do not result in children.

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Because they are naturally wrong.

That's really not for us to determine.

amen

Even if homsexuality is genetic, which I'm still skeptical of, it doesn't mean that it is right to participate in a homosexual relationship. Many people have genetic dispositions to desire sexual relationships with children, we call them pedophiliacs. Some people are genetically disposed to desire to have intercourse with a deceased body, refered to as necrophilia. These are genetic desires, so how can we deny them? Because they are naturally wrong. While Brooke does take a biblical reference, it doesn't mean her point has no worth. Consider the reproductive system. Adam and Eve can reproduce, all other things being equal. Adam and Steve can never do so. This is not religious, its scientific.

Denying marriage rights to homosexuals is the same as denying relationship rights to necrophilacs and pedophiliacs. We could even extend this to certain murderers. Some are not capable of living in society without the desire to kill. Should we allow them to kill simply because they desire to do so? Or even if this desire is genetic, should we allow them to continue with their bloodlust? Absolutely not. Just because it is genetic, does not mean it's right.

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why do you think gay marriage hasnt been ammended in all 50 states? and i wasnt looking for an arguement, i was simply looking at it from a better understanding simple kind of way

Gay Marriage is not legal across the country because people are not comfortable with the idea, just like people were not comfortable with the idea of desegregation. I don't believe that there is anything wrong with gay marriage. It is extremely personal and shouldn't be government regulated.

Brooke, didn't you say that you believed sexuality was genetic? How can you justify denying homosexuals marriage rights, then?

and blue if you havent noticed, majority of this country are religous on these beliefs, why do you think gay marriage hasnt been ammended in all 50 states? and i wasnt looking for an arguement, i was simply looking at it from a better understanding simple kind of way

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blue, god created adam and eve not adam and steve and besides marriage is between man and woman? why change the definition that is inthe bible?

Ohh, that's super clever. Adam and Steve...hahahahahaha. Many, many people in this country are not religious. They don't believe what is written in the bible. Brooke, that's a really poor arguement.

In response to the original post, yes, some religious people judge and the rest of us, religious and not, sin everyday in unique ways. Even as a devout Catholic, I certainly sin everyday. Nonetheless, it is the recognition of this sin and the repentence of the sinner that will grant salvation.

By the way, this post is only intended as informational. I certainly understand that there are those who do not believe in the bible, which is why I will not address the issue of homosexuality here, for there are spirtual reasons as well as secular reasons why homosexuality is wrong.

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Yes I can. It's written in the Bible

Then you can prove that only to yourself and other people who believe that because I don't go by the Bible so I'll just assume you're some Jesus Freak who can't come up with any form of resource that isn't the bible.

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blue, god created adam and eve not adam and steve and besides marriage is between man and woman? why change the definition that is inthe bible?

Because not EVERYONE believes in the bible.

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That being said, not all religious people contradict themselves. I am one of them. How about not generalizing?

Worth is pretty much the only Christian who doesn't always use the bible to defend herself. And she doesn't contridict herself.

STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE...THERE'S ALREADY PLENTY OF THEM FOR YOU TO DISCUSS YOUR SIDE OF IT!!!

That being said, not all religious people contradict themselves. I am one of them. How about not generalizing? You just judged religious people by stating that all of us judge others. Get off your high horse, Critkay.

blue, god created adam and eve not adam and steve and besides marriage is between man and woman? why change the definition that is inthe bible?

You could come up with contridictions until Judgement Day, but the godly base their belief on true basic truths: (1) All Scriptures are based on inspiration of God (Timothy 3:16) (2) An elementry rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately including seeming contradictions in His Word to "snare" the proud. He has hidden things from the "wise and prudent" and "revealed them to the babes" (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolisg things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27). -EB

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Yes I can. It's written in the Bible.

So in the Bible it says "Homosexuality is sick and immoral and disgusting".

Besides not everything the bible says is true. In Genesis 1, the order of creation is listed as:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars
Day 5: Sea monsters, fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
Day 6: Humans
Day 7: Nothing

But Genesis 2 says:
1. Earth and heavens
2. Adam, the first man
3. Plants
4. Animals
5. Eve, the first woman

If you want more bible contradictions please ask.

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You simply cannot prove that statement.

Yes I can. It's written in the Bible.

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Homosexuality is sick and and immoral and disgusting.

You simply cannot prove that statement.

We are not judging. Homosexuality is sick and and immoral and disgusting. We are merely trying to show homosexuals that there is an alternative, a better path. Contrary to popular belief, God does hate the sinner & the sin. One that is not ripe with sin and enternal damnation. If a blind man was walking towards a cliff, would you not warn him?

Right. The Bible says you shouldn't judge. But that doesn't have anything to do with this. I don't judge gay people before I get to know them. They're gay, woohoo, who cares. I'm a christian and I support gay rights. But back to what you said...as long as a person who does not support gay rights and is a christian does not judge them because they are gay, then it's fine. Every person is entitled to his or her own opinion, and stating their opinion does not mean they are judging someone. They are simply stating what they believe.

then i guess you are saying the bible is contradictory?