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Picture of EarthGoddess
Registered: January 15, 2003
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What I mwant by how does nature create life is how does nature create HUMAN life?


A sperm and an egg.


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Dogs are man-made? Yah, that makes a whole lot of sense...(sarcasm)



Humans bred dogs to suit their needs. They bred dogs with certain traits that they liked. All the dog breeds you see now looked very different 500 years ago. They were genetically "mutated" in a sense. How many Pomeranians do you see roaming the wild on a daily basis?

You need to learn some history too.
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My school has few problems with homophobia. It's nice.


"Forget regret, or life is yours to miss."
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Boo for neo-nazis, mostly because I don't know how it's possible to hate so much. Kinda like Fred Phelps.... Anyway, whatever.


Just remember I'm human, too.
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Nah, I have a perfect one. It's awesome, but YN won't let me change it.


None of us can ever be free while others are still in chains. -Leslie Feinberg
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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Google Image Search will help.


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I wish I could change my picture. (pouts)


None of us can ever be free while others are still in chains. -Leslie Feinberg
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DWM, you're back!!!!! Smile


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Registered: June 09, 2003
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Debating is fun. Homophobia is not. Unfortunately, it's not the hicks this year that I have to watch out for, it's the much more serious neo-nazis and skin-heads. Gay hate is a part of life. But y'know what pisses me off? 36 passed in Oregon (prohibiting gay marriage & unions) and still they won't get off our backs. There's still too much hate around here. This probably doesn't fit in this thread, huh? oh well.


None of us can ever be free while others are still in chains. -Leslie Feinberg
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Skippy, I DO think that abortion is wrong,

This isn't an abortion thread.


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Registered: November 09, 2004
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What I mwant by how does nature create life is how does nature create HUMAN life? not more nature life. Dogs are man-made? Yah, that makes a whole lot of sense...(sarcasm)

Skippy, I DO think that abortion is wrong, but if a girl gets raped, and isn't ready to have a baby yet, then it should be her descision. But, if she decides to have the baby, then I'd support her all the way. Every woman should really think about the consenquences of abortion before considering it.
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What I mwant by how does nature create life is how does nature create HUMAN life? not more nature life. Dogs are man-made? Yah, that makes a whole lot of sense...(sarcasm)

Skippy, I DO think that abortion is wrong, but if a girl gets raped, and isn't ready to have a baby yet, then it should be her descision. But, if she decides to have the baby, then I'd support her all the way. Every woman should really think about the consenquences of abortion before considering it.
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but how exactly can nature, which isn't living, doesn't breath, doesn't have a soul, reproduces in a different way, and many others that I can ramble on about, how can nature make life?


You need a biology class. Badly. And just so you know, my idea of nature is everything that is not man-made. Dogs are an exception, because they are living, breathing beings. (Yes dogs are "man-made").

Lets start with the planets. When two dust particles of opposing magnetic engeries meet they begin to spin at a high speed. As they are spinning, more and more dust collects over thousands maybe millions of years creating a ball of dirt and rock called a planet. That is a perfect example of nature creating nature.

How does nature create life you ask? Easy. When a seed falls from a tree and gets buried underground by rain or some animal and it begins to grow, is another form of nature creating nature. The same goes for when animals mate. Nature is a breathing, living being. It is every creature, plant, fungus, bacteria, planet, galaxy, star, etc. Our Earth is a breeding ground of life. And that life began in her oceans and soil, and was fed by her atomosphere and the sun's light. Thus nature (Earth, sunlight, air) created nature (Life).

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Oh and, why exactly were we monkeys in the beggininng, but the monkeys aren't evolving into humans now?



We were not monkeys. Humans are creatures that evolved from the common ancestor of apes and monkeys. The monkeys branched off from that ancestor to become a completely new kind of primate. Homonids (Humans) branched off from the ape gene pool millions of years ago and we also became a new kind of primate. That ancestor is now extinct. There are several homonid skeletons that have been found and have both human and ape traits. Here's something interesting: Did you know that if and Human and a Chimpanzee were to mate, they could create an offspring? Gross, but cool.


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I'd really like to know more about this.



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Registered: February 02, 2004
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yogore, you've got me. really i can't say anything about the old testament or what the bible says without someone bringing up the old ceremonial laws. It's true they were written there but there is a difference between moral laws in the odl testament and ceremonial laws. we no longer need the ceremonial laws because jesus cleanses us.

I was talking about the laws in leviticus that are right there next to the "a man shall not lie with a man as he does with a woman". i do not get how you cna say which are more important hen they are together. unless they are somewhere else in the bible beside Leviticus.


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Registered: February 20, 2004
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Can someone shut her up? She's making christians look bad, she has put no research or study into her own beliefs and she hasn't looked into the supporting evidence of contradictory beliefs, that's sick.

yogore, you've got me. really i can't say anything about the old testament or what the bible says without someone bringing up the old ceremonial laws. It's true they were written there but there is a difference between moral laws in the odl testament and ceremonial laws. we no longer need the ceremonial laws because jesus cleanses us.

Mille, i gotta say they don't believe monkeys evolved into humans, they say that humans and monkeys had the same ancestor. i must say that evolution does have a lot of backing to it and it does seem to make soem sense but why couldn't God have used evolution?


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Oh and, why exactly were we monkeys in the beggininng, but the monkeys aren't evolving into humans now? They are just dying, not making human life...I'd really like to know more about this.


I don't know that much about this, but when I find a reliable source answering your question (unless someone beats me to it) I'll post it.

I just asked a friend this, and he responded with: 'Who says they aren't?' which makes sense because we as humans are still evolving, and apes are still evolving...

He also mentioned something about having different DNA structures. When I have the patience, I'll look it up unless someone beats me to it.


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Ya know what, I'm not forcing my religion on anyone, but how exactly can nature, which isn't living, doesn't breath, doesn't have a soul, reproduces in a different way, and many others that I can ramble on about, how can nature make life? I'm really curious. I'd love for you to explain this so that it makes actual sense. Oh and, why exactly were we monkeys in the beggininng, but the monkeys aren't evolving into humans now? They are just dying, not making human life...I'd really like to know more about this.
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It's not my opinion! It says in the Bible that we shouldn't be gay.


The Bible is completely and totally opinion. Not scientific fact. You really need to remember that when the Bible was written, their scientific knowledge was 2,000 years behind the present and they had no way of proving what they wrote. They were only right because they said they were. The people that wrote the bible believed the Earth was flat, they thought people with mental retardation were possessed by the devil, and that the Earth was the center of the universe. They had no concept of the mysteries of the human mind. They had no way of explaining things without bringing a higher deity into it. Today we do. We have schools that teach people advanced human psychology. We have incredible technology that helps the psychologists. The American Pyschological Association, know that sexuality can not be chosen whether you're gay, bisexual or straight. Whatever the bible says is outdated and modern science has proved that, time and time again. You can keep believing it all you want, but it's not true.


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The Bible WAS written by God, Monks didn't write the Bible, followers of Jesus did


Was it written by God or Jesus's followers? You're sounding pretty desparate now. Here's my theory: Nature created nature, nature created man, man created God, man created the bible to enforce the concept of God. You are a sad example of how unfortunately well it has worked.


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if you would like proof, I'd be gald to give it to you!


I'd be glad give you proof as well. And boy do I have a lot.
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I'd be gald to give it to you!


Please give me some, as long as it's from a non-biased source and ISN'T the Bible.

The Bible was written down by humans, and has been translated and transcribed over and over again. Things could have easily been added or left out, all based on the opinion of the one doing the translating/transcribing.

That is one reason why people on this site do not view the Bible as a valid source in a debate.

Wow, Northstar. I just re-stated your argument. I knew it had been mentioned somewhere, but I forgot it was on this thread.

Oh, and Millie, don't do more than one post at a time if you're still able to edit.


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The Bible HASN'T changed!The language has. The Bible WAS written by God, Monks didn't write the Bible, followers of Jesus did.
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It's not my opinion! It says in the Bible that we shouldn't be gay. I know that not everyone agrees that religion should associate with politics, but your saying that I don't know for sure what God says, but i do, I read the Bible, if you would like proof, I'd be gald to give it to you!
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