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This board raises some good questions.

why does something like love have to be pulled apart and debated anyway?

sure, a man could "love" the little boy/girl/dog/goat/chipmunk/whatever he is sexually intimate with, but if he was to really "love" this person/thing, wouldn't he not hurt them psychologically like that? gay people aren't hurting each other, no more than heterosexual couples. that's why i don't understand the argument that if homosexuals married, it would be opening a door for the extremely young to marry the older, humans to marry animals, etc. can anyone logically explain this to me with some backing, not a blind stab in the dark...i'm just curious to understand the other side, because i'm a bit confused on that one.

hehehe, linkinparkgurl, i was belly chuckling for a bit from your post. those things sound so asinine, but, ive heard most of them unfortunately. people didn't think your post was sarcastic? (hahha)

That's a good question yogore. While the easy reply would be to turn it right back around and say "well why do you care?" I'll go ahead and tell you why I ceaselessly debate about homosexuality and same sex marriage, etc., etc. on these boards.
I am at heart a writer and a politician as well as a sympathist and a romantic. While the job of politics generally falls to the elders of a society, the embattled debate generally falls to us, the youth. While we may not be able to change things RIGHT NOW, we will in the future hold the jobs and finances that will allow us to sway politics in our particular directions, whether we ourselves are politicians or not.
Bearing all this in mind I am incredibly offended by misinformation and bullying as tactics of political reform although both have reared their ugly heads frequently in the recent past and seem to be favored tactics of our current administration. I expect lies and embellishments from evil texans about administration regarding war, our economy, foreign policy, etc. What I don't expect and am sick of hearing about is the repeated lies and misinformation that is being perpetrated upon us by my fellow Americans in the gay activist camp. I don't like logging onto a website and seeing one person ask questions about homosexuality, 15 people answering that we should embrace homosexuality, and then another person that disagrees getting slammed on and called a homophobe. Since the first day I stumbled on this website through a link and checked out the forums I was impressed that somewhere important issues were being discussed and young minds were being shaped. Then I looked at the first homosexuality thread and noticed that any dissension was met with ridicule and that facts were thrown out the window in favor of political correctness and bias. I also noticed that there was nobody debating the real issues with untarnished facts from the other point of view, you know, the one that doesn't want a gaymerica, rather the most common argument was "the bibble sayz its wrung".
Since I have come on this site and debated gay rights and related topics with you guys I have always come with concise arguments and have always found us going in circles, a process that repeats evermore with the addition of new posters and the forgetfullness of old posters (myself included). While we have not solved any problems or come to any conclusions regarding homosexuality in general or the issue of gay marriage, If you check around between a dozen or so Yn'ers you will find that we have written volumes on the topics and could probably make our own informative mini disk with lots views and opinions. You will also find that I have not backed down when repeatedly confronted with personal insult slinging or ridiculous gay activist dogma, rather I have asked the questions that needed to be asked and brought research from the other viewpoint, all while showing respect for my adversaries.
While I have yet to hear anyone claim that I changed their views on homosexuality and it's related topics, I know that I have at least caused a few people that were undecided to ask questions and think or at least check my sources, in doing so I have made a difference, albeit a small one.
So if what you are asking by "why do you care anyway" is really "why won't you just go away", the answer is I will not unless I simply don't have time to come on here and type myself to death repeating myself. And why are you so interested in this again?

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Originally posted by Barkid:
Sexual orientation as opposed to sexual preference is a little word trick that gay activists are using to quash any trace of argument that people may indeed choose their OWN sexuality.
Let's take a look at the word "orientation".

Main Entry: ori·en·ta·tion
Pronunciation: "Or-E-&n-'tA-sh&n, "or-, -"en-
Function: noun
1 a : the act or process of orienting or of being oriented b : the state of being oriented; broadly : ARRANGEMENT, ALIGNMENT
2 : a usually general or lasting direction of thought, inclination, or interest
3 : change of position by organs, organelles, or organisms in response to external stimulus

Gay activists prefer Orientation #2 above because it suggests that one is on a certain path that generally remains the same. I find this amusing because if you look at #3 you will have a definition that more fits what I believe about sexuality... that it may change based on external stimulis.

As for Preference:
Main Entry: pref·er·ence
Pronunciation: 'pre-f&rn(t)s, 'pre-f(&-)r&n(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English preferraunce, from Middle French preferance, from Medieval Latin praeferentia, from Latin praeferent-, praeferens, present participle of praeferre
1 a : the act of preferring : the state of being preferred b : the power or opportunity of choosing
2 : one that is preferred
3 : the act, fact, or principle of giving advantages to some over others
4 : priority in the right to demand and receive satisfaction of an obligation
5 : ORIENTATION 2 <sexual preference>

I like preference because it has "the power or oppurtunity of choosing"... I like it when people are not denied their right to choose, unlike gay activists. If we dig a bit further to #5 we see that preference has even been amended to be also mean orientation and more specifically sexual preference... basically meaning the 2 are interchangeable. If you wonder how this mingling of words came about you can once again thank gay activists and their fervor, they were able to campaign against and successfully change a word in webster's dictionary just so that they could eliminate choice... yay for gay activism.

seriously barkid, I don't understand. What exactly have you got against homosexuals? I know lots of people who are gay and they did not CHOOSE to be gay. Why would someone choose toy be gay(not that it's a problem of course) with such an injust intolerant society anyway? Please. And also, why would you care if it was a choice? That would make absolutely no diference.

Why do you care so much? How does it affect you at all?

Sexual orientation as opposed to sexual preference is a little word trick that gay activists are using to quash any trace of argument that people may indeed choose their OWN sexuality.
Let's take a look at the word "orientation".

Main Entry: ori·en·ta·tion
Pronunciation: "Or-E-&n-'tA-sh&n, "or-, -"en-
Function: noun
1 a : the act or process of orienting or of being oriented b : the state of being oriented; broadly : ARRANGEMENT, ALIGNMENT
2 : a usually general or lasting direction of thought, inclination, or interest
3 : change of position by organs, organelles, or organisms in response to external stimulus

Gay activists prefer Orientation #2 above because it suggests that one is on a certain path that generally remains the same. I find this amusing because if you look at #3 you will have a definition that more fits what I believe about sexuality... that it may change based on external stimulis.

As for Preference:
Main Entry: pref·er·ence
Pronunciation: 'pre-f&rn(t)s, 'pre-f(&-)r&n(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English preferraunce, from Middle French preferance, from Medieval Latin praeferentia, from Latin praeferent-, praeferens, present participle of praeferre
1 a : the act of preferring : the state of being preferred b : the power or opportunity of choosing
2 : one that is preferred
3 : the act, fact, or principle of giving advantages to some over others
4 : priority in the right to demand and receive satisfaction of an obligation
5 : ORIENTATION 2 <sexual preference>

I like preference because it has "the power or oppurtunity of choosing"... I like it when people are not denied their right to choose, unlike gay activists. If we dig a bit further to #5 we see that preference has even been amended to be also mean orientation and more specifically sexual preference... basically meaning the 2 are interchangeable. If you wonder how this mingling of words came about you can once again thank gay activists and their fervor, they were able to campaign against and successfully change a word in webster's dictionary just so that they could eliminate choice... yay for gay activism.

I would like to point out a few things.

One, homosexuality is not a "sexual preference", it is an orientation. I know that I was born gay, and I'm fine with that; whatever.

Two, LOOK UP SARCASM ALREADY.

You cannot compare homosexuality to catholicism, one is a religion and one is a sexual preference. To say "I have catholic friends but I don't think they should be able to practice catholicism" is denying their basic constitutional right to practice their religion.
Saying "I have gay friends but I don't believe in gay marriage" still allows them to practice gayness, as is their right.

I can't believe half the people didn't get that entire post was sarcasm. The posts is pratically yelling i'm sarcastic!! But I thought it was cleve and cute. I loved it. I never seen a problem with gay marriage and I still don't.

My favorite line was: reason #9 and #12. I thought they were the best!!

LinkinPark...I think you should put in big black letters at the bottom of the post...THIS IS SARCASTIC!!

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That is nowhere near the same thing yogore, and you know it.

Why not?

That is nowhere near the same thing yogore, and you know it.

Jamaica, what if someone said "I have catholic friends, but I am against the being allowed to practice catholicism"?

I hate it when people can't change, can't except the fact that people wont continue to be the same. Just a few minutes ago, my sister was all like, "They need to ban same-sex marriages!". And her reason was this "The Bible says that marriage should be between a man and a woman because we are meant to get married to reproduce." Lately, when has marriage ever been about having kids? When has sex been about having kids? I just have to pst a list to why I believe people are homophobic:
*The guys think the female species might be running out.(As in they think their choices have become more limited.)
*The girls think the male species is running out.
*The person is a Bible hugger.
*The person is afraid of change. (Obviously)
*The person is an idiot. (That one makes sense to me
I myself am not homosexual but this is supposed to be a free country. Land of the free, Home of the Brave. So why don't we be brave and make this country free?

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Who's up to explaining the art of sarcasm today?

Not me again. On another sarcastic anti-sexual orientation thread, no less.

my only reason: I truly have great respect for the Pope and well, it is really against to have same sex marriage.

Fact: I enjoy having gay friends and they are nice to be with but I am against same-sex marriage.

Amen Ikki. It is blatant sarcasm.

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those 12 reasons are total BS! Both my parents are straight and i'm gay.. and my aunt is gay and has straight children.. were you on some serious drugs when you came up with those?! sounds like it to me

Who's up to explaining the art of sarcasm today?

those 12 reasons are total BS! Both my parents are straight and i'm gay.. and my aunt is gay and has straight children.. were you on some serious drugs when you came up with those?! sounds like it to me

I had a little trouble with the sarcasm part. Guess I'm denser than I thought I was.

Tsk tsk. The article itself was written in sarcasm. The groupd that produced the article is known as the Gator GSA or Gay Straight Alliance. It is a group that PROMOTES gay rights. They also put out a pamphlet called I think I might be straight.

Ciao