I learned an interesting fact today in school. If you're in the military and they find out that you are gay or bi or anything other than straight they'll kick you out. Now I don't think that's fair to anybody. That's just my opionion but I want to hear what you guy's think.

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Even if you have a really, really good friend, and it turns out he's/she's gay, I'm sorry, I just wouldn't let him go off with my little son or daughter.

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Well, that's YOU, isn't it? You probably wouldn't let your child be with anyone who wasn't Christian, cause it might poison his little mind!

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When you say acceptance, what you're really saying is that it would teach your child that the lifestyle is okay.

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Ummm ... yes. That IS what I'm saying. I'd be extremely disappointed if any child of mine did not respect lifestyles different from his own.

Well, you're entitled to do whatever you want, with family friends and stuff.

Even if you have a really, really good friend, and it turns out he's/she's gay, I'm sorry, I just wouldn't let him go off with my little son or daughter.

When you say acceptance, what you're really saying is that it would teach your child that the lifestyle is okay.

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"If any one of you pro-homosexual, ***** rights supporters had any basis of common sense and morals, you wouldn't let your little son go off with a gay man and you wouldn't let your daughter go running off with a lesbian."

This, above, is common sense. That is what I'm barking about - the fact some of you think it's okay to let your children go off with gay people.

I bet if a Poll was conducted on ParentNOISE or something asking if they'd let their little son go off with a gay man, I'm sure you'd get a nice, heated discussion.

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Well, obviously, if some random gay person on the street came up to me asking to take off with my kid, I'd say no - I'd say it to a random straight person too. But what if your best friend is gay? If this person was a decent person that I trusted (and no best friend of mine would be anything else), I would have no problem with my kid being with them. On the contrary, I might be happy that it would instill acceptance and respect in my kid.

But this subject is getting way off.

The entire fact of the matter is, is that people wouldn't know a military officer is gay unless they vocally or visibly show it.

Sexual preference should be a private affair; what you do is your business.

But the second the *****s start coming out making a political issue out of it, that's when I draw the line.

I know nothing lol.

Seriously, I don't believe I know everything - I just have a deep foundation of instilled morals and values, which are, yes, Christian ones.

Homosexuality is considered an immoral lifestyle; that's just the way it is. It's becoming more accepted throughout this country, unfortunately, but it's viewed still as an immoral decision, choice, etc.

"If any one of you pro-homosexual, ***** rights supporters had any basis of common sense and morals, you wouldn't let your little son go off with a gay man and you wouldn't let your daughter go running off with a lesbian."

This, above, is common sense. That is what I'm barking about - the fact some of you think it's okay to let your children go off with gay people.

I bet if a Poll was conducted on ParentNOISE or something asking if they'd let their little son go off with a gay man, I'm sure you'd get a nice, heated discussion.

Joey,

Most of us here are pretty young so of course we have a lot of growing up to do. You aren't that much older, so why are you so "grown up?" I know that I don't know everything. I like knowing that I have a lot to learn. That gives life more meaning in my mind. Maybe it's not your intent (it probably isn't) but you act like you know everythingand I'm pretty sure you don't. After all, who does? (I have a feeling you're going to say god or something along those lines, but that doesn't get very far with me).

Joey Dauben-

What is your definition of common sense? I thought common sense was something that everyone can agree on such as you shouldn't drive the opposite way on a one way street. However, I have a feeling your definition of common sense isn't something that everyone can agree on. By the way, from your point of view am I immoral because I support gay rights?

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What is your deal? Geez....you'd think you'd have something better to do than antaganize me every day. Guess not. Anyway...have fun copying everything I say because I personally don't care. Actually this whole discussion is pretty trivial now that I think about it. You people need to chill. It's not as if the world is going to crash down on you all or any gay people just because I do not approve of that behavior. It's not homophobia and I wish you'd try to quit accusing me of such. (That is slander you know). Anyways..I stand firm on my veiws and opinions. I do no feel offended whatsoever by any of you. Now I'm gonna put this clearly.
1. I'm not homophobic...I'm disgusted by that behavior , but it's not like I act like they're not human beings you know.
2. If I had a child and raised he/she a certain way that would be my concern not anyone elses. If I wanted to raise my future child with some morals that too is my choice.
Now this is a waste of my time. If you feel hurt...well sorry what do you expect me to do?

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you keep saying that what you believe is your own business and that's really fine. Ignorance is a choice, and if you choose to live with it, so be it. But there's really no need for you to keep posting those opinions over and over and over and over again. Just as repeatly posting topics about homosexuality isn't going to change anybody's mind in here, apparently. If you have an opinion, then post it. Dont just post a fact that you dont feel strongly about. They kick homosexual men out of the military, great. But how do you feel about it?

P.S. KittyKat, it's spelled preference, not prefrence. And there is no such word as predjudicism. Please get your terms right before you post something.

First off, how do military officers know someone is gay?

If the queers would just shut up and not say anything, they wouldn't have this problem.

As far as the Boy Scouts go, the BSA is a private organization and members must recite an oath and a creed.

Of course, if anyone knew anything about the BSA, you'd know that the oath/creed is based on Christian principles and Biblical teachings.

Therefore, if you spout off about your homosexuality in the BSA, you're kicked out.

This isn't discrimination - it goes against the private organization's doctrine. Don't like it, don't join it.

This debate over homosexuality being a born trait is and will continue to be waged. There are thousands of former queers who have found God and have bolted from that lifestyle.

As for the whole calling someone ignorant because she wouldn't let her son or daughter be with a gay man/woman.

Please, this isn't "ignorance." This is common sense. If any one of you pro-homosexual, queer rights supporters had any basis of common sense and morals, you wouldn't let your little son go off with a gay man and you wouldn't let your daughter go running off with a lesbian.

You people preach about having others forcefully accept your lifestyles, but if you come across someone's moral convictions, they're all of a sudden racist or insensitive or "ignorant."

You people have a lot of growing up to do if you think it would be okay for your little child to be hanging out with a gay person.

Too bad YouthNOISE wasn't visited by the parents of you people; I'm just curious to see what they think about the rampant immoral views being espoused here.

Please before this getts out of hand calm down! Man o man this is not worth the mental anguish or stress. We are starting to turn this into a he said she said board! Now please stop acting like children, we are all old enough by now to have a system of set guidelines and behaviors that we all adhere too and accept as the norm, but please stop treating each other like poop. We need to be a little more constructive and less destructive when it comes to subjects like this. Isnt there enough violence and prejudice in the world with out us adding fuel to an already lit fire? I know we all have a right to speak our minds but please stop attacking other people with different views on whats right and whats wrong. We can all get along but only if we accept each other for who we are and learn to accept others beliefs as well as our own.

I see nothing wrong with homosexuality. No one has ever told me if it was wrong or right. I found out what homosexuality was in elementart school and even then I saw nothing worng with it. I have never believed in god and I never had any spiritual yearnings. Therefore telling me that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says so doesn't work for me. Anyway enough about me, back to the original topic. The main purpose of the military is to prevent the country from being attacked right? That's from what I understand. Being gay doesn't inhibit a person's performance in combat. A gay person can "serve the country" just as well as a straight person so I don't see why he/she can't serve in the military. And back to the Bible claiming that homosexuality is wrong- well, I'd rather listen to myself. Religion works for some people, but it doesn't for me. Homosexuality is one issue I feel strongly about and it's unlikely that anyone will convince me that it is wrong.

We definitely shouldn't hate gays, but we should acknowledge that after all, the God who put us here has told us in the Bible that it is totally wrong, and we should listen to Him, because He will either admit us into heaven or cast us into the underworld someday... and we shouldn't be afraid to say homosexuality is wrong. We should love gays- Jesus told us to love all. But we should get out the word that according to God, homosexuality is wrong, and shouldn't be accepted in the military or anywhere. For more information about Jesus and how you can get into heaven, visit a website about all of life's meaning by clicking here.

Well.......I am GAY, Now I did not know that they can do that in the Military, although I did knew that it is Illegal for them to ask u about your Sexual Orientation. Before they were able to ask u about it, but now they cannot. Now, I personally WOULD NOT go into Military or anything that is related to war, this does not mean I am against War, because some wars are needed.....not all nut some. Well I think that anything related against homosexuals like me is wrong, but hey......the govnt. works in an odd way.

--Andrew

Ok...my boyfriend is in the military and his next door neighbor in the barracks is gay. He's cool and everything but, no one can find out. I think you know that is really sad that being homosexual isn't exceptable in our government. And if you think about it there doesn't seem to totally be a logical reason for it. I guess that some guys don't want another guy hitting on them but i mean, this guy that lives next door to my bf, he has never hit on him and they are really great friends. I don't know what the problem is. But i'm a girl. Maybe a guy would have a better explaination

What is your deal? Geez....you'd think you'd have something better to do than antaganize me every day. Guess not. Anyway...have fun copying everything I say because I personally don't care. Actually this whole discussion is pretty trivial now that I think about it. You people need to chill. It's not as if the world is going to crash down on you all or any gay people just because I do not approve of that behavior. It's not homophobia and I wish you'd try to quit accusing me of such. (That is slander you know). Anyways..I stand firm on my veiws and opinions. I do no feel offended whatsoever by any of you. Now I'm gonna put this clearly.
1. I'm not homophobic...I'm disgusted by that behavior , but it's not like I act like they're not human beings you know.
2. If I had a child and raised he/she a certain way that would be my concern not anyone elses. If I wanted to raise my future child with some morals that too is my choice.

Now this is a waste of my time. If you feel hurt...well sorry what do you expect me to do?

"If they molested little chilldren and were claiming to be heterosexual....then GUESS WHAT???? They obviously are bi or something. Geez..."

Not so obviously, they probably have a mental disorder.

"Take offense if you want to. It's not like I'm hurting anybody."

Well you are hurting people, and just because the gay people you know weren't offended by your principles here, a lot of gay people I know are. They are offended by these ideas and homophobia in general.

If I wanna tell you to quit writing to me I will. Not to mention I did! Allright...anyways...I cannot believe this si still going on , but at least I know I'm not the one taking things really really over the top. Uh....when did I say you have a child or whatever? Nevermind I don't even wanna hear it. I will continue to say a boy that si young is NOT GAY! And it seems to me you were the one twisting everything I said earlier around and that was pretty dang annoying. And just to let you know...I never spoke of young boys being kicked out of boy scouts. I spoke of their scout leaders that were homosexuals being kicked out. I wasn't "rambling" about anything. Those were statements incase you couldn't figure it out. I do not understand how I "COMPLETELY ignored" joyflygirls post. Was I suddenly the only one being replied to? No. I don't think so. If they molested little chilldren and were claiming to be heterosexual....then GUESS WHAT???? They obviously are bi or something. Geez...
And I did explain why I would never send a young boy of mine to boy scouts that included a gay scout leader. Because that would be my standards for bringing up my child. Enough said.
Take offense if you want to. It's not like I'm hurting anybody. Geez....zero tolerance over everything I swear. Oh, and it's not like I haven't had so-called gay or bi friends in the past. They knew exactly how I felt on the subject. They do not seem to take so much offense as a lot of people on this site do over discussions that concern gay or bi individuals. And I do not have to do anything I do not wish to thank you very much. (lol...as in I do not have to accept a homosexual taking out a possible child of the same sex on a camping trip.) Now just chill already.

Angelface, don't tell us to stop replying to your posts after all those insults you siad to me. I dodn't f*cking conjure up anything alright? I am not a two-year-old, I understand that you don't have a child because you don't understand what it is like for a teenager who is pregnant (by the way, if you have 'conjured up in YOUR mind' that I have a child I do not, and have not been pregnant). How can you say that a boy that is young can not be gay! They just haven't realized it. Anyway, you twisted that point that I made. I meant that boys were being kicked out of boy scouts because they were gay (and then you go off into ramblings about how boys can't be gay. And you COMPLETELY ignored jfgrll's post about the statistics and how most child molesters are heterosexuals. So don't tell me I twist your posts or don't read your posts! When will you explain why you don't want to send your child (I understand you don't have a child!) to boy scouts with a homosexual! I take that as an insult to all of my gay, lesbian, and bi friends, they don't bite thank you very much

It is not discrimination and I'd appreciate if you'd get the F*** off my case. If that's what the hell you want to believe than fine. I still think you're pretty sick to be speaking of little , innocent children in a sexual manner saying that they could possibly be gay.