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Registered: December 11, 2003
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I stated my opinion on such site. I don't read what is obvious bias.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: November 27, 2003
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Read the article in the link. They discuss bonobos specifically.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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quote: No, animals do not have sex for pleasure. Believe me, I've asked my friend who breeds rats, my friend whose brother breeds cats, the friends of the family who are dog breeders, a zookeeper and a vet.
Bonobos do. Watch MSNBC. They even have lesbian sex. A site from narth! I should get my facts from http://www.conservativesareidiots.com. They would clearly not be biased. We're not that stupid.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: November 27, 2003
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quote: Originally posted by CelticNewAger: quote: Yes, that is true. However, the purpose of different sexes is to reproduce. Make note, we are the only species, at least known of, that has sex as a display of affection. Every other species on earth, at least to our knowledge, has sex for the sole purpose of reproducing, and that what different genders are for.
Nope. Many animals have sex for pleasure. Even gay sex.
No, animals do not have sex for pleasure. Believe me, I've asked my friend who breeds rats, my friend whose brother breeds cats, the friends of the family who are dog breeders, a zookeeper and a vet. quote: Anyone engaged in the most elementary animal observation is forced to conclude that animal "homosexuality," "filicide" and "cannibalism" are exceptions to normal animal behavior. Consequently, they cannot be called animal instincts. These observable exceptions to normal animal behavior result from factors beyond their instincts.
quote: In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:
Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.[11]
Despite the "homosexual" appearances of some animal behavior, this behavior does not stem from a "homosexual" instinct that is part of animal nature. Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain, explains:
Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.[12]
It Is Unscientific To "Read" Human Motivation And Sentiment Into Animal Behavior
Like many animal rights activists, homosexual activists often "read" human motivation and sentiment into animal behavior. While this anthropopathic approach enjoys full citizenship in the realms of art, literature, and mythology it makes for poor science. Dr. Charles Socarides of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) observes:
The term homosexuality should be limited to the human species, for in animals the investigator can ascertain only motor behavior. As soon as he interprets the animal's motivation he is applying human psychodynamics--a risky, if not foolhardy scientific approach.[13]
Ethologist Cesar Ades explains the difference between human and animal sexual relations:
Human beings have sex one way, while animals have it another. Human sex is a question of preference where one chooses the most attractive person to have pleasure. This is not true with animals. For them, it is a question of mating and reproduction. There is no physical or psychological pleasure....The smell is decisive: when a female is in heat, she emits a scent, known as pheromone. This scent attracts the attention of the male, and makes him want to mate. This is sexual intercourse between animals. It is the law of nature.[14]
Even biologist Bruce Bagemihl, whose book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity was cited by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association in their amici curiae brief in Lawrence v. Texas and is touted as proof that homosexuality is natural among animals, is careful to include a caveat:
Any account of homosexuality and transgender animals is also necessarily an account of human interpretations of these phenomena....We are in the dark about the internal experience of the animal participants: as a result, the biases and limitations of the human observer--in both the gathering and interpretation of data--come to the forefront in this situation.....With people we can often speak directly to individuals (or read written accounts)....With animals in contrast, we can often directly observe their sexual (and allied) behaviors, but can only infer or interpret their meanings and motivations."[15]
Dr. Bagemihl's interpretation, however, throughout his 750-page book unabashedly favors the animal homosexuality theory. Its pages are filled with descriptions of animal acts that would have a homosexual connotation in human beings. Dr. Bagemihl does not prove, however, that these acts have the same meaning for animals. He simply gives them a homosexual interpretation. Not surprisingly, his book was published by Stonewall Inn Editions, "an imprint of St. Martin's Press devoted to gay and lesbian interest books. http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.htmlCheck out the site. It's really interesting.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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quote: and you can't throw the bible back into my face because marriage isn't the same as it was before. marriage has evolved and grown w/ society. nowadays we're lucky if a marriage lasts for 5 years (not an actual statistic). if we were to look back twenty years or so, marriage and family are completely different.....
Indeed, for example has anyone seen "Fiddler on the Roof" that was all about radical changes in marriage that many Christians would be appaled if it were still the "traditional" way... same thing here... Marriage has already changed from the biblical days, so the argument that it's against the bible is kind of void...
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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quote: Yes, that is true. However, the purpose of different sexes is to reproduce. Make note, we are the only species, at least known of, that has sex as a display of affection. Every other species on earth, at least to our knowledge, has sex for the sole purpose of reproducing, and that what different genders are for.
Nope. Many animals have sex for pleasure. Even gay sex.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: April 08, 2005
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what an excellent point. That is one way to look at the situation and to try and argue it back, but im afraid there are many ppl who would blatently state that there wouldn't be a government because the population would not be able to reproduce and survive. alright so now that ive made a statement that makes me sounds like im against homosexuals (which im not) i will continue. Something i don't understand is why the government is interfereing w/ ppls personal lives. Its not like gays are spreading disease, or commiting mass murder or w/e. They're just regular ppl w/ lives, families and careers just like everybody else. Besides does the way your neighbour lives affect your goals for the future? and you can't throw the bible back into my face because marriage isn't the same as it was before. marriage has evolved and grown w/ society. nowadays we're lucky if a marriage lasts for 5 years (not an actual statistic). if we were to look back twenty years or so, marriage and family are completely different.....ok so im getting a bit carried away but see my point? just because u ban the marriage doesn't mean they'll just disappear. good luck w/ that one.
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Registered: February 27, 2003
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Excellent topic Critikay, bummer it took so long for people to quit picking it appart. quote: But see, that's the attitude that people take. They refuse to look at the other side of the issue, because they know that it is unfair, but they don't want to admit it. It's how the human mind works, whether we want to admit it or not. EXACTLY!!! Doesn't that bug the heck out of you? It does for me. quote: You're joking, right?
Sadly, no. I think I'm going to have to agree with Brehon, you're scary sometimes hubbabaloo. Malnah090988, either make some comments of your own or don't post at all. quote: Yeah, and do you remember when all the "prophets" predicted the world will end in 2000?
Heh, and that wasn't the first time that they were all totally convinced that the world was coming to an end!! I've got news for ya'll, the world isn't going to end until the sun blows up in a couple billion or so years. quote: Great, another homosexuality thread. But I don't see any on the trannies. Nooo, I guess we're not important enough for people to be arguing about whether or not transsexualism and gender dysphoria are a sin? Poor wavemaster, give it a couple years until the uproar about homosexuals dies down and people need some other type of "weirdos" to yell about.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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My apologies. However, I was misled. Wikipedia Encyclopedia says: "Transgender is generally used as a catch-all umbrella term for a variety of individuals, behaviors, and groups centered around the full or partial reversal of gender roles" And the HMC Medical Dictionary says transsexual: "A person with the external genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics of one sex, but whose personal identification and psychosocial configuration is that of the opposite sex. A person who has undergone a sex change." But after reading your post I researched some more to find more definitions and see that there are other interpretations, mainly being that transsexuals are thought of as having a permenant sex change, or someone whose sexual identification is entirely with the opposite sex and transgendered usually to refer to someone who does not desire surgical intervention to "change sex," and/or who considers that they fall "between" genders, not identifying strictly to one gender or the other. Once again, my apologies, I didn't mean to offend anyone. Although I was misled, I realize now that I probably could've done more research into the exact definitions...so sorry...
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: June 09, 2003
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For one thing, transgender is not the same thing as transsexual. I should ****ing know.
None of us can ever be free while others are still in chains. -Leslie Feinberg
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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O.K...at 2:22 I started a new topic called "transgendered" (same thing as transsexual), at 3:12 you posted on this thread saying that no one debates transsexuals. I'm not trying to say anything about it, it just gave me a chuckle, that's all...
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: June 09, 2003
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huh?
None of us can ever be free while others are still in chains. -Leslie Feinberg
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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quote: Nooo, I guess we're not important enough for people to be arguing about whether or not transsexualism and gender dysphoria are a sin?
Actually, funny thing... At 2:22 AM EST on June 12 I started a 'Transgendered' thread...you posted the above at 3:12 AM EST on June 12... weird coincidance eh?
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: April 23, 2005
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quote: Make note, we are the only species, at least known of, that has sex as a display of affection.
Get your facts right. Animals do too. And animals can be gay. So there would be no point in trying to reproduce.
Don't see Star Wars, it sucks the intelligence out of you
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Registered: June 09, 2003
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Great, another homosexuality thread. But I don't see any on the trannies. Nooo, I guess we're not important enough for people to be arguing about whether or not transsexualism and gender dysphoria are a sin?
None of us can ever be free while others are still in chains. -Leslie Feinberg
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Registered: November 27, 2003
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Yes, that is true. However, the purpose of different sexes is to reproduce. Make note, we are the only species, at least known of, that has sex as a display of affection. Every other species on earth, at least to our knowledge, has sex for the sole purpose of reproducing, and that what different genders are for.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
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Registered: June 06, 2003
Posts: 171
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I think it's still a hard thing to comprehend b/c that would have meant that millions growing up would have been taught that being gay was right and millions would have grown up being gay b/c it would have been "the right thing to do". I dont think it's that easy to turn the tables on someone.
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Registered: June 23, 2004
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quote: Flawed argument. You are suggesting then that sex should be only for reproduction, and let me inform you, gay or straight, people have sex for pleasure a lot more than for reproduction.
Very, Very True!!
"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure." -Clarence Darrow
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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quote: If homosexual couples could reproduce, there wouldn't be different genders
Flawed argument. You are suggesting then that sex should be only for reproduction, and let me inform you, gay or straight, people have sex for pleasure a lot more than for reproduction.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Even in such a situation as that, you can't control everything that goes on in the bedroom, illegal or not.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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