Oh, okay.

And I agree with green, Azelma. You basically say every argument that I have ever used.

And, by the way, the Bible doesn't say it's wrong. Regardless, your argument against the religion argument is still very strong and logical but if that is unacceptable to anyone, I always inform them and back it up that the Bible doesn't say it's wrong anyway.

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Where did that come from? Who said anything about Satan?

I belive it was Finn referring back to the KKK kids, Worth.

Nice argument, Azelma.

I haven't read all the old replies, so please forgive me if I repeat something that's already been said.
I'm in favor of homosexual marriage, all the arguments I've heard against it have been flimsy at best.

First I'll address the issue of religion. I won't pretend to be a religious scholar, because I'm not. In fact, I'm not Christian, and believe it or not, there are many other Americans who aren't, nor was our government meant to be based on Christianity or any other religion for that matter. Marriage was also created originally as a secular instition, so I don't see why this should even be an issue.

As for the economic argument, the numbers offered earlier simply don't seem the slightest bit logical, but I'll take some time to look into them further. Gay couples do pay taxes, and can raise children through adoption if they so chose, so I don't see why they shouldn't be able to marry and recieve all the benefits that straight couples have. I also don't buy into the idea that people have to be capable of procreation in order to be allowed to be married. After all, there are many straight married couples which chose not to have children. If you're going to start going on about the fact that gays can't have children naturally, you might want to note that approximately 6.1 million people in the US are infertile, making up 10.1% of reproductive age population, according to the American Society of Reproductive Medicine (1997)(If you need a link here is one) . They can't have children, but yet no one is complaining about the fact that they're allowed to get married.

I also don't buy the idea that gays somehow are incapable of being good parents. As long as children has some male and female role models, I see no reason why their parents need to be male and female. There are also single mothers and fathers who make perfectly competent parents, so I don't understand why gay people couldn't be.

And lastly, there's the sanctity of marriage debate.<sarcasm> A comitted gay couple getting married is far more offensive to the sanctity of marriage than 55-hour Vegas drive-thru marriages. </sarcasm> That's all I have to say for now.

Where did that come from? Who said anything about Satan?

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Satan is just an excuse for things we can't accept.

Definately.

I'm disgusted. . .

I learn more on YN than I do in my real life. Unfortunately.

Satan is just an excuse for things we can't accept.

Not replying to the KKK kid because it would be a waste of my time. However, there are others...

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True they say that they are committing a sin against God but

Well, they're wrong about that too.

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They said that Saten is manipulating them. Satan is pretty powerful or at least he is very manipulating. That is why God has remorese for them.

Again, they're wrong. The Bible doesn't say it's wrong, therefore homosexuals are cool with Christianity and therefore Satan has nothing in hell to do with it.

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They said that the job of a Christian is to spread the word of God, trying to save people.

Fortunately, homosexuals are one more group of people you can mark off your list. They don't need to be saved simply because they are homosexual. Perhaps for other reasons but not because of that. And why in hell would homosexuals want to be saved if the majority of Christians think who they are is wrong?

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I think they also said that it's okay to judge but not in a disrespectful matter.

They're completely wrong on this one. What kind of church do you go to? I've never been to any church in my entire life that said it's okay to judge in any manner.

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They also said that gay people are humans like us, they are just committing a sin like we commits sins.

While it's true that they are humans (fancy that), it's not true that they are committing a sin just because they are homosexual.

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I and my church believe that being gay is a sinful way of life, but is not to be looked upon as a "bigger" sin as any other.

You and your church aren't following the Bible then.

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We do believe there is a punishment for every sin, and homosexuality is one of them, but we don't(or we shouldn't) believe that homosexuality is a bigger sin than lying, stealing, or being envious.

And that's a pretty decent viewpoint except for the fact that homosexuality is not a sin.

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We just believe that homosexuality is one of the hardest lifestyles to drop - cold turkey.

You know why? Because if you're truly homosexual, you were genetically born that way and it would be impossible to ever entirely renounce those attractions - and you shouldn't have to, either. It's not just a "lifestyle" but an attraction to the same sex - one that is just as natural and cannot be ever be denied fully.

kkkdan .. if you're such a good, moral person, how can you be in/support an organization such as the kkk? please clear that up for me. and how do you feel about other races? do you honestly belive in the superior white race? in my opinion, it's a very ignorant thing to believe since we all came from a genetic ancestry that can be traced back to one woman in AFRICA with the use of mitochondrial dna analysis.

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Originally posted by finn620:
Skinheads are traditionally racist, some groups aren't.

Actually "traditional" skinheads were from the west indies.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
Honestly, I wonder what KKKdan would think if he ever saw a homosexual man standing next to a straight man. My bet is he wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I can't.

(Warning: sarcasm ahead!)

What are you talking about? Don't you know-- they're all cross-dressers and they wear flamboyant clothes and nice shoes. Plus, they get manicures and have nice hair. Every single one of them.

Not.

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Originally posted by iankinzel:
Believe it or not, KKKDan and Klanjam are not the same person as thewalrus.

Look at their profiles, I have my doubts as to whether our klan members are different people.

Honestly, I wonder what KKKdan would think if he ever saw a homosexual man standing next to a straight man. My bet is he wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I can't.

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skinheads are actually anti racism.

The SHARPS and ARA dudes are anti-racist. Skinheads are traditionally racist, some groups aren't.

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
KKKdan, I don't care if you're racist, but it's a shame that you join such redneck-stupid association. Be a skinhead, a serious skinhead though, not little "Ooooh I like wanna be a REBEL! and scare Mommy and Daddy and my teachers so I'm gunna be a racist!".

Idiots should die but it doesn't mean it will happen.

skinheads are actually anti racism.

i beleive in what the KKK used to be, i think its bull**** how the federal goverment has control over our lives, and I think that it is even more bull**** that civil rights leaders have been able to pass programs like affirmative action. Our goverment is a corrupt bunch of pansy politicians who only care about votes and wont do whats right for this country.

Believe it or not, KKKDan and Klanjam are not the same person as thewalrus.

Honestly, though, can we just ban those three?

Yes you.

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Christianity is a belief and a way of life, as is being gay.

Homosexuality is a belief system?

I don't see the point of labling it a lifestyle either. Sexuality isn't a lifestyle, it's just a thing that many people enjoy in different ways. If your sexulaity is your lifestyle, you probably don't have a very interesting life.

Who me?

I think you answered your own question.

KKKDan you are such an ***hole, why would you say something like that?