KKKdan, I don't care if you're racist, but it's a shame that you join such redneck-stupid association. Be a skinhead, a serious skinhead though, not little "Ooooh I like wanna be a REBEL! and scare Mommy and Daddy and my teachers so I'm gunna be a racist!".

Idiots should die but it doesn't mean it will happen.

As a person who has struggled with heterosexual relationships, bi-sexuality, then later full-blown lesbianism, I now can comment on gay rights. I am now a born-again christian, and not struggling with my sexuality any longer. However, just as it is not my place to impose my way of thinking or living on to anyone else, I also believe the same for pro-abortionists and gays. I think that gays should be allowed to be married by a judge, or any church that accepts that type of lifestyle. Christianity is a belief and a way of life, as is being gay. Who is to say which belief is better and which belief should conform to another. Gay people should be allowed to be married by anyone who will marry them. I and my church believe that being gay is a sinful way of life, but is not to be looked upon as a "bigger" sin as any other. So don't get the "Christian" point of view twisted like we all think you are sinful without a purpouse and all that jazz; because gays wouldn't like to be stereotyped as all being flamboyant about their sexuality. We do believe there is a punishment for every sin, and homosexuality is one of them, but we don't(or we shouldn't) believe that homosexuality is a bigger sin than lying, stealing, or being envious. I don't think these christians that stress the point of "getting delivered from homosexuality" are trying to be mean or scare you with hell. We just believe that homosexuality is one of the hardest lifestyles to drop - cold turkey.

Looks like klanjam. Great Scott, they're procreating.

Has no one realized what that person's name is. Had you realized you would probably figure out it's pointless.

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let me tell you it straight. Gays cant married because they are not people, they are warriors of satan sent here to destroy every moral code that god planted in our heads. like i said before it would be easier if they would either just all move to an island and form galaysia or just die. Gay people need to learn their place in society, they have overstepped their bounds.

Wait, I'm trying to be a new-born Christian and the church I go to doesn't say that about gay people.

True they say that they are committing a sin against God but they never said that they are warriors of Saten. They said that Saten is manipulating them. Satan is pretty powerful or at least he is very manipulating. That is why God has remorese for them. They never said to kill them or move them to a island. They said that the job of a Christian is to spread the word of God, trying to save people. I think they also said that it's okay to judge but not in a disrespectful matter. They also said that gay people are humans like us, they are just committing a sin like we commits sins.

That's whati understood when the pastor was talking.

I'm okay with gay people. I'm not the one to try and save them. I sort think, it's not a big deal. I wonder why God doesn't want that. I know he wanted it to be man and woman relationships but why is it a sin to begin with? In a lot of places, gay people can get married and most of them live pretty good so I'm thinking that God is slowly changing his mind about homosexually being a sin so he is letting these things go by.

That could be possible righ?

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Originally posted by KuKluxKlanDan:
let me tell you it straight. Gays cant married because they are not people, they are warriors of satan sent here to destroy every moral code that god planted in our heads. like i said before it would be easier if they would either just all move to an island and form galaysia or just die. Gay people need to learn their place in society, they have overstepped their bounds.

wow how can you call yourself a christian, you are a spawn of satan, take your hatered someplace else. JESUS HATES YOU.

let me tell you it straight. Gays cant married because they are not people, they are warriors of satan sent here to destroy every moral code that god planted in our heads. like i said before it would be easier if they would either just all move to an island and form galaysia or just die. Gay people need to learn their place in society, they have overstepped their bounds.

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Oh, so my fiscal rebuttal was just sh*ts and giggles?

Pretty much... because, A, you're argument for that is flawed, and harshly unjustified and pretty much goes entirely against what our historical documents say, and to top it all off, there are still things that I will say that are fiscal and you won't respond to them (it's always in this gay marriage debate and you continually ignore them... even when I point you out personally to answer to it. but for some reason, you just don't.) so, your fiscal rebuttal was just for kicks, probably so you could justify that it wasn't just a religious thing for you....

Damn Irish people. Grrr.

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Oh, so my fiscal rebuttal was just sh*ts and giggles?

Pretty much, yeah.

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Originally posted by NickJ:
The christian church gets dragged into it because often that's the only argument that the 'nay-sayers' can give for not having same sex marriage...

Oh, so my fiscal rebuttal was just sh*ts and giggles?

Yes, welcome.

You will find that many discussions here involve religion. Even if they are really just about socks or pasta sauce. There is always a way to turn a debate into a theological discussion.

well, allyupe, first off let me welcome you to YouthNoise and to the United States (i'm assuming that's what you meant by 'moved here'). This thread is virtually an argument about the reasons why gay people can't get married. The christian church gets dragged into it because often that's the only argument that the 'nay-sayers' can give for not having same sex marriage... Anyone can add anything if I left it out... Once again, welcome!

so what exactly ess this all about? im from ireland and i just moved here two weeks ago and i found this wonderful site on a bulletin board at school. but what is this actually about? church? or homosexuality?
ps im a lesbain

it says somewhere in the bible that it's a sin to waste your "seed". i think by "seed" they mean "sperm". and often, people confuse the bible concerning the issue of birth control/masturbation with the nonexistant biblical argument of homosexuality. there's nothing in the bible against gay people. i think it's ridiculous for conservative politicians and religious extremists to scare catholic/christian or and God-fearing gay man or woman into denying themselves thier own "thier kind".

p.s. i don't think there's anything wrong with birth control and masturbation. for the record.

gay people arent the only ones with AIDS. you can look to crackpots that get high on ecstacy and prostitutes. the last time i checked, a majority of them were straight men and women that didn't believe in monogamous relationships and couldn't care less about spreading the disease.

yeah worth is right. the bible doesnt say "men ****ing men is bad"

even the folks in Sodom and Gommorah....all they were said to have done was be inhospitable which was "wicked".....


hmm funny....inhospitable.

kindof interesting that there are these people who shut their doors to gays because they think they are disgusting........

inhospitable? yes

Wicked? hmmm shut out and reject other PEOPLE for something they cant control...........................

I hate that the homosexuality issue always comes back down to religion. Just two points I have to make for anyone who dares to disagree or argue about it:

1. Our government is by no means a theocracy. Therefore, any governmental decision, especially one about making something national law should not be made based on any religious belief whatsoever. Therefore, provide some other damn reason against gay marriage that does not involve religion at all.

...and for those of us who can't listen...

2. The Bible does not say homosexuality is wrong anywhere in the Bible (KJV - the most original text that we readily have access to) except for Leviticus (not even Leviticus, really, if you go by KJV) and if you wish to follow that law in Leviticus then go right ahead and follow every single one of the rest of them.

So this isn't really about homosexuality at all. It's about our right to live in a legit theocracy.

Ya worth, the discussion is partly about the church. It started with the discussion that the founding fathers wanted the country to be a democracy and not a theocracy, and that some of the important founding fathers were non-christian... and that's what got us to this point...