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It was a rhetorical question, commenting on the fact that it makes sense that gays should marry since straights can, and that's it's stupid of you to think people are going to want to marry dogs. If you didn't realize that, you're not too bright, and if you did but continued to be an ***, well, you're an ***.

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Oh well, a few gay couples don't reproduce. Boo hoo. There are so many more straight couples producing multiple children. It really doesn't affect population.

Indeed. I believe it was in the CIA world Factbook that I read that the maternity rate for the US is 2 children for every woman in America... I'll have to check on that though...

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Its in our best interest to adopt American kids, then moving to foreign ones.

Or you can let families choose.

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If relationships are not productive, then there is not next generation. If there is no next generation, society ceases to exist.

Oh well, a few gay couples don't reproduce. Boo hoo. There are so many more straight couples producing multiple children. It really doesn't affect population.

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If gays can marry, why not someone who wants to marry his dog?

See there needs to be consent in a realtionship. Dogs are unable to give consent. With gay marriage, we are talking about two grown-ups who both want to marry.

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Its in our best interest to adopt American kids, then moving to foreign ones.

Well, while it may be in your best interest for America, I don't see how adopting foreign kids and turning them into American citizens is NOT in our best interest... I see what you mean by what you say, but if what you said is true, about everyone in America being able to eat, I would rather take a foreign baby (who might not be fed all the time) and feed it, since the American adoption kids are being fed and whatnot...

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which is very rare

Because you would know...

OK, this is what the first sentence says:

"N E W Y O R K, Jan. 22 — Twenty-eight years after the U.S. Supreme Court made abortion legal, nearly six in 10 Americans say it should stay that way."

In January, when I first stubled across an article like this, this is basically all it would say, and it would say who did the survey. Even though there are 'layers' if you scroll down to the "By Groups" stuff where it has even more layers, you'll find that it says:

"ALL 59% (in all or most cases)"

Therefore, my point is still valid, and according to you who says that majority rule NO MATTER WHAT, even if it is wrong in your opinion, then you should have absolutely no problem with abortion in this country, because majority of americans want it...

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Well, you should. Are we just afraid the truth might not be politically correct?

Well, assuming that you still haven't researched the disease, research it, and then YOU bring me the evidence that says in america gays have AIDS more than straight people, because I'm not going to waste my time on something as meaningless as that. I mean, it's not even worth arguing about...

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We have. Its spread through blood transfusions, mother to child, and the passing of bodily fluids. Which, do you think, happens most?

Very good. You did do some research. I would have to say that the passing of bodily fluids happens the most. Quick lesson for ya, HIV is transmitted through 4 bodily fluids: blood (given), breast milk, vaginal 'juices', and semen. Now, that means that everyone is at risk. Babies who are breast-fed, anyone who gets piercings (because it can spread through used needles too), anyone who is sexually active, etc. Even if the people they sleep with/mother/etc. say they don't have HIV/AIDS. HIV stays dormant in a person on an average of 11 years, until people who have it start to notice that somethings wrong and go to try to treat it, but by then, it's too late (in most cases..). So everyone is at risk... not just gays. End lesson.

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The Ivory Coast & Sudan strains of Ebola.

There we go! Ebola is one of them, whew, thanks that was driving me nutz... But, for some reason I also want to think that there was an 'r' word in there, like ruebella or something like that... (I learned about a bunch of these diseases in 7th grade health and life science classes and that was 4 years ago...)

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where we will stop in making sure that everyone is properly represented at the marriage table?

I truly think that in a strictly legal situation, where both parties need to be of age, and since it has been historically proven that attempting to mate with other species can have harmful side affects, that (as drugs) the government would outlaw that type of relationship (some agricultural states have some "blue laws" about that already...). Now, on the other hand, since human heterosexual marriage is allowed, and not human homosexual marriage, it is unequal, for all humans should be able to marry another human (for reasons stated above as to why not human to animal) because 'all men are created equal'. And historically, this country has been very hasty at giving people their due rights: (i.e.) women, blacks, etc. Now it has come to sexual preference, and in 50 years, I truly believe that we will be able to look back on this situation as one of the landmark steps toward true equality. So, I'm digressing now, but I think you got my point...

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it would be seen as the government's approval of those relationships (and what goes along with them)?

Well, I don't think the government will do that for reasons stated above... But, as for same sex marriage, the Constitution already approves of gay marriage, the law making body of the government just needs to catch up. And the government in all right SHOULD approve of gay marriage because, unlike human animal marriage, it does nothing to hurt society. It actually improves society...

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Originally posted by NickJ:
Oh, I see. That's right, because, like you said, we're SOOOOO overpopulated...

Its in our best interest to adopt American kids, then moving to foreign ones.

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ABC News - This is a similar article about it, the first articles I believe came out Jan. 15, and it just was very brief saying the outcomes of a survey... This is a drawn out, demographics one. So, there you go...

This poll is misleading; it polls on a spectrum, which does not give us a clear answer. For one, it said that 80% think that abortion should be legal in the case of rape, incest, or danger to mother (which is very rare). It also says 55% of people dont think it should be legal if the mother just doesnt want it. The article itself states that a majority of people dont think it should be legal for convenience reasons.

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I don't know, and quite frankly, I don't care.

Well, you should. Are we just afraid the truth might not be politically correct?

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It's not an exclusively-American disease. It's a human disease... Do some research about how it is spread. goodness have you taken any health or biology classes? I know in both we've talked about it...

We have. Its spread through blood transfusions, mother to child, and the passing of bodily fluids. Which, do you think, happens most?

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I would say that since diseases can be contracted from mating with animals (diseases that aren't normally human diseases, such as that one disease that monkeys aren't affected by, that when humans get it, at the end they bleed out of all their pores and die... forget the name of it...).

The Ivory Coast & Sudan strains of Ebola.

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Anywho, that's why I don't forsee legalizing animal-human marriage, and also because we don't give out licenses unless both parties are consenting, and since animals don't have human intelligence and since we have yet to communicate effectively with animals in a intellectual sense, I doubt that the 'will you marry me?' concept would get across to your dog... So, that's why I would say that that probably wouldn't happen. But for 2 consenting adults, it should be no problem...

Before I go any further, I do want you to know that I agree with how human animal marriages should not be legal. But, for the sake of playing D's A, in the interest of true equality, where we will stop in making sure that everyone is properly represented at the marriage table? If the government were to legalize human animal marriages, it would be seen as the government's approval of those relationships (and what goes along with them)?

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It matters where they are adopted because we want American kids to be adopted over foreign kids.

Oh, I see. That's right, because, like you said, we're SOOOOO overpopulated...

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I'd like to see this survey, because if this was true, the legislature would have already tried to pass a law making abortion legal, instead of just using R v W.

ABC News - This is a similar article about it, the first articles I believe came out Jan. 15, and it just was very brief saying the outcomes of a survey... This is a drawn out, demographics one. So, there you go...

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How do the majority of HIV positive Americans get the disease?

I don't know, and quite frankly, I don't care. It's not an exclusively-American disease. It's a human disease... Do some research about how it is spread. goodness have you taken any health or biology classes? I know in both we've talked about it...

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Says who? If the current definition of marriage can be changed, why can't yours?

O.k. that's a fair point. I would say that since diseases can be contracted from mating with animals (diseases that aren't normally human diseases, such as that one disease that monkeys aren't affected by, that when humans get it, at the end they bleed out of all their pores and die... forget the name of it...). Anywho, that's why I don't forsee legalizing animal-human marriage, and also because we don't give out licenses unless both parties are consenting, and since animals don't have human intelligence and since we have yet to communicate effectively with animals in a intellectual sense, I doubt that the 'will you marry me?' concept would get across to your dog... So, that's why I would say that that probably wouldn't happen. But for 2 consenting adults, it should be no problem...

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Originally posted by NickJ:
What? What does it matter where they are adopted from? How is that a better solution?

It matters where they are adopted because we want American kids to be adopted over foreign kids.

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I think he was talking about contributing to worldwide overpopulation... And, only the americans with money have 'so much food...'

One hundred years ago, a rich man drove and a poor man walked. That was a big difference. Today, a rich man drives a Mercedes and a poor man drives a used Honda. That's not such a big difference. America's rich/poor gap is one of the smallest in the world. Here, everyone can eat.

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I think that the purpose of this government (and any government really) is to serve the people as a whole... And, hypothetically, if you were right about the 'will of the majority' and everything; that whole survey in January about the 60% of americans wanting Roe v. Wade decision upheld... that would mean that abortion should remain legal... hmm...

I'd like to see this survey, because if this was true, the legislature would have already tried to pass a law making abortion legal, instead of just using R v W.

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reactionary... you really should study what AIDS is...

How do the majority of HIV positive Americans get the disease?

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Because of the whole different species/unability to consent thing... marriage should be 2 consenting adults sharing a bond...

Says who? If the current definition of marriage can be changed, why can't yours?

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Originally posted by NickJ:
reactionary... i've noticed that you reply to everyone else's posts, and simply ignore mine... the first few times i was like, well, maybe he just skipped over them... but, most often when person A just stops responding to an argument by person B, it means that person B wins the argument because person A can't come up with a rebuttal...

Pure coincidence, I promise. I'll get to it right now.

reactionary... i've noticed that you reply to everyone else's posts, and simply ignore mine... the first few times i was like, well, maybe he just skipped over them... but, most often when person A just stops responding to an argument by person B, it means that person B wins the argument because person A can't come up with a rebuttal...

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Originally posted by ICELAND:
That makes sense to you, and yet "if straights can marry, why not gays?" doesn't?

Remember kids. There's no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid people who ask questions.

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Originally posted by EarthGoddess:
Explain.

If relationships are not productive, then there is not next generation. If there is no next generation, society ceases to exist.

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Another solution would be to get more married couples to stop looking for "perfect" children and adopt kids with handicaps or serious chronic diseases in our country.

That can work too, though I don't know if thats feasible.

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We're not overpopulated yet, but if we keep reproducing the way we are, there can be a major crisis in the future. Our soil can't grow stuff forever.

Through cycle farming, it can. Soil cannot continue to grow one thing for too long, so farmers will plant corn for 3 years, soybeans for 3 years, etc. Through cycle farming, we can get the soil to last.

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And we can't bulldoze all of our forests or else the food we do grow will wash away into the ocean.

American is fully self sustainable food wise. The timber industry is very responsible when it comes to replanting, and nowhere in the US are we at real risk for what you described.

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And our oil can't last forever either.

That's true, which is why we're turning to hydrogen, the most abudent resource in the universe. The government recently approved a program over $2,000,000,000 to help create hydrogen cars. Governor Arnold has approved legislation in California alone that will create 2,000 hydrogen stations for cars by 2010.

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The more people that are using this stuff, the faster it will disappear. Once it's gone, its gone.

Once its gone, its gone. Once its gone, we just change the it and start over.

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So it's really unfair to just consume and consume,

No its not. America produces so much food that occasionally the government has to pay farmers not to sell their crop.

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and then create more people to consume and consume and then let the children of the future suffer. Homosexuals, by not reproducing, are doing us a huge favor.

No ones going to suffer. This is the pinnacle of political correct ideology. Why don't we promote suicide to lessen overpopulation?

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Thankfully, the will of the majority changes constantly.

With the fact that the Church has been on the winning side of practically every social issue, I don't see the public changing any time soon.

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That's pretty sad.

Actually its not. When I take a stand for something in school, I am always accompanied by people I don't even know who were just too scared to be the first.

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It's perfectly natural for men to be extremely sexual beings. It's just human nature. Which is why AIDS hit gay men so hard, yet has barely touched lesbians. But gay men are getting smarter nowadays and using better designed condoms and lube that doesn't break down the latex.

That remains to be seen. But, the government is still spending way too much money on AIDS research. It should be spent on heart disease and cancer, the top killers of Americans, which AIDS is not.

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The problem with that argument, is the dog's complete lack of opposable thumbs that would allow it to sign a marriage certificate. It would also need a higher thinking ability and a set of human vocal cords that would allow it to consent to a marriage. And if the dog's spouse were hurt severely, do you think a hospital would a allow an animal that licks it's own butt to visit it's spouse, even if it had the compunction to visit him/her in the first place? If the human spouse were to die, do you think the state would give the dog any death benefits that it could do nothing with?

I'll play devil's advocate; Why is it fair that homosexuals (a small minority) get their special rights recognized, when these people cannot? Where's the equality, Earth, cause that's all you want right?

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That makes sense to you, and yet "if straights can marry, why not gays?" doesn't?

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No, a better solution would to stop couples from going overseas to adopt children.

What? What does it matter where they are adopted from? How is that a better solution?

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Overpopulation? Not in America. most of the west and midwest is uninhabited, and Americans have so much food, we're at risk of dying from overeating? Overpopulation?

I think he was talking about contributing to worldwide overpopulation... And, only the americans with money have 'so much food...'

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The purpose of this government is to follow the will of the majority. The only rights the minority have is the right not to be persecuted.

I think that the purpose of this government (and any government really) is to serve the people as a whole... And, hypothetically, if you were right about the 'will of the majority' and everything; that whole survey in January about the 60% of americans wanting Roe v. Wade decision upheld... that would mean that abortion should remain legal... hmm...

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Nope, just along as I keep my fly zipped up. Gays should try it, maybe then they'd stop dropping like flies.

reactionary... you really should study what AIDS is...

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If gays can marry, why not someone who wants to marry his dog?

Because of the whole different species/unability to consent thing... marriage should be 2 consenting adults sharing a bond...

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if that did happen and was legal, it'd make no difference, cause religion isn't there anyway.

Religion (at least in my school) isn't in the teaching area. We are able to discuss religion, just as long as the teachers don't push their beliefs on us, and as long as the teachers keep the discussion under control...

There is new and convincing evidence that homosexuality is caused by conditions in the mother's womb, unfixable, random conditions.

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Realtionships have to be productive, or society ceases to exist.

Explain.

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No, a better solution would to stop couples from going overseas to adopt children. that would have a much greater impact on the amount of adopted children than homosexual couples.

Another solution would be to get more married couples to stop looking for "perfect" children and adopt kids with handicaps or serious chronic diseases in our country.

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Overpopulation? Not in America. most of the west and midwest is uninhabited, and Americans have so much food, we're at risk of dying from overeating? Overpopulation?

We're not overpopulated yet, but if we keep reproducing the way we are, there can be a major crisis in the future. Our soil can't grow stuff forever. And we can't bulldoze all of our forests or else the food we do grow will wash away into the ocean. And our oil can't last forever either. The more people that are using this stuff, the faster it will disappear. Once it's gone, its gone. So it's really unfair to just consume and consume, and then create more people to consume and consume and then let the children of the future suffer. Homosexuals, by not reproducing, are doing us a huge favor.

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The purpose of this government is to follow the will of the majority.

Thankfully, the will of the majority changes constantly.

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Good call.

That's pretty sad.

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Nope, just along as I keep my fly zipped up. Gays should try it, maybe then they'd stop dropping like flies.

It's perfectly natural for men to be extremely sexual beings. It's just human nature. Which is why AIDS hit gay men so hard, yet has barely touched lesbians. But gay men are getting smarter nowadays and using better designed condoms and lube that doesn't break down the latex.

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If gays can marry, why not someone who wants to marry his dog?

The problem with that argument, is the dog's complete lack of opposable thumbs that would allow it to sign a marriage certificate. It would also need a higher thinking ability and a set of human vocal cords that would allow it to consent to a marriage. And if the dog's spouse were hurt severely, do you think a hospital would a allow an animal that licks it's own butt to visit it's spouse, even if it had the compunction to visit him/her in the first place? If the human spouse were to die, do you think the state would give the dog any death benefits that it could do nothing with?

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Originally posted by xmeSOsweet:
for you shallow catholics out there,

I got a good chuckle out of that one.

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Originally posted by finn620:
Who says relationships need to be productive to society? Isn't one of the things America is about is the "pursuit of happiness"? Does happiness have to be productive?

Realtionships have to be productive, or society ceases to exist. If the government were to allow same sex marriage, it would be seen as an approval of homosexual activity, which in the interest of the state, cannot happend.

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Should the public have a say in the way people live their lives, if that lifestyle isn't harming anyone? And don't say homosexuality is harming people, you know full well it isn't.

We're not talking about their lifestyle! We're talking about marriage, which transcends their "lifestyle".

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Homes for children that may be adopted for one thing. Or, through artificial insemination with a third party involved, biological children.

No, a better solution would to stop couples from going overseas to adopt children. that would have a much grea