do you think it should be allowed?

i do i think you should be able toget married to who ever you want to girkls & guys, guys and guys, and girls and girls. you should be able to get mrried to who ever you love. its love and their should be no boundries to it.

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The way I understand it, if gays marry...the terrorists win.

I think you just uncovered a global conspiracy the question is how can we stop it?!?!?!

damnit amp my mouse and keyboard are wet and sticky

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The way I understand it, if gays marry...the terrorists win.

*joins in shock*

astounding! I mean it just makes so much sense! It's like the heavens have opened up and shown a light on this simple sentance and declared it truth. We must spread the word of this mighty and fantastic revelation!

(my apologies for the sarcasm now dripping out of your computer screen, you may want to wipe it up before it hits anything sensitive like your keyboard)

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The way I understand it, if gays marry...the terrorists win.

It's so obvious now!

*shock* - how did I not realize this before??

The way I understand it, if gays marry...the terrorists win.

It's so obvious now!

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The Bible states that a man and a woman are a true couple, not a man and a man or any other kind of union.

your point? we have this little thing called "The Seperation of Church and State" in this country. This means that the goverment shouldn't be using any faith's definition of anything as a basis for a law

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If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

The shear stupidty in that statement made me laugh

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If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

Not only is this like saying "if abortion is made legal, people will eat babies," but it has no proof. That's a pretty strong claim to make without anything to back it up with.

how I laughed at this clpo...


I would also add (for whoever made the dumb ass first statement) that the two thing's are completely unrelated. What the fuck does one have to do with the other? How would gay marriage being made legal lead to anything besides gay couples being able to get married?!

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The Bible states that a man and a woman are a true couple, not a man and a man or any other kind of union.

The Bible states many things. I hope you follow all those directives, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite.

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If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

Not only is this like saying "if abortion is made legal, people will eat babies," but it has no proof. That's a pretty strong claim to make without anything to back it up with.

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If we abuse the First Ammendment

Read this and tell me how gay marriage would abuse that.

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and ignore the moral fabric of this country, which was founded on Christian beliefs

Pseudo-Christian beliefs, as Chaos deftly pointed out. The Founders were spiritual men, but not especially fond of organized religion. They were intent on keeping this country free of influences by one religion, preferring to allow the free exercise of any religion.

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then these sorts of things very well could happen.

And this is a bad thing? Gay marriage will not, contrary to popular opinion, create a slippery slope leading to the downfall of morality and an increase in vice and generally nasty things. The burden of proof lies upon those who claim such a thing would occur. So, you need to show us how gay marriage would lead to bestiality and other presumably sinful things (such as marrying bedposts or whatnot).

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<Sic>On this topic, it should. The Bible states that a man and a woman are a true couple, not a man and a man or any other kind of union. If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

Concerning religion and state, your wrong.
And I quote from the The Treaty of Tripoli ;
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religionx as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmenx and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

What's that? You still don't believe me? Let's ask the founding fathers then...

Our dearly beloved James Madison;
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these sxxxxs the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

John Adams:

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

And Thomas Jefferson;

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."
- to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
- to Carey, 1816

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."
-letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

Our dearest Benjamin Franklin;

"I wish it xChristianity) were more productive of good works ... I mean real good works ... not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the Deity."
- Works, Vol. VII, p. 75

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

Thomas Paine;

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."

Abraham Lincoln;

"The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."
-Spoken by Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis

And oh snap; they got George too:


"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
- letter to Edward Newenham, 1792
Religion should not play a part in American politics.

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there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

May I list off the logical fallacies with this statement?
Non Sequiter - Gay Marriage does not equal beastality.
Red Herring - Gay Marriage is not related to beeastality, once again.
Biased Sample - So far, you haven't given us credible sources to prove that.
Hasty Generalization - You assume that it will come to allow beastality.
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc - Beastality is not defined to be caused by gay marriage.
Argumentum ad Consequentiam - Gay Marriage should be stopped because it might lead to beastality, is not a logical argument.
Slippery Slope - It assumes that when one happens, the next will; ergo unfounded.
Straw Man - You attempt to demonize gay marriage by bringing up beastality
Association Fallacy - One will bring in another sin is illogical
Ad Ignorantiam - That's pretty much self evident.
Wishful Thinking - You hope that it will happen; that will prove you right; but you quite possibly may be wrong
The list goes on and on.

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That sort of thing doesn't sound plausible, does it? If we abuse the First Ammendment and ignore the moral fabric of this country, which was founded on Christian beliefs, then these sorts of things very well could happen.

Yeah, besides the fact that the US was founded on secular ideas, which is why we have the First Amendment in the first place? Your argument has no basis, no backing, and makes Pascal's Wager seem sounder then gravity.

You want to talk moral fabric?
How about the Salem Witch Trials?
The book of Leviticus?
The Spanish Inquisition?

Under the "Moral Fabric" of society, all of these would independently be considered bad things. Yet, justification from "God's moral fabric", allowed these events to take place. I reject your philosophy, whole heartedly.

You are my hero because you quoted Harry Potter in a debate and did not sound like an idiot.

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Originally posted by SilverWerewolf:
I don't agree with gay marriage. It's just not right.

Why?

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On this topic, it should. The Bible states that a man and a woman are a true couple, not a man and a man or any other kind of union. If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

That sort of thing doesn't sound plausible, does it? If we abuse the First Ammendment and ignore the moral fabric of this country, which was founded on Christian beliefs, then these sorts of things very well could happen.

But the thing is, we don't live in a strictly Christian society. We live in a society that may or may not have been based on Christian beliefs and from day one was open to everyone. How are we upholding our forefathers dreams if we don't change and move with the times?

It seems backwards to me to prevent gay marriage. Slavery was in the Bible (as pointed out by affanculo) but we aren't still using slaves, are we? Time change and we must learn to move forward with them and progress. If you have ever read Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, the Umbridge quote "Progress for progress's sake must be prohibited" might ring a bell. It's this same type of ideology masked in the term "civil unions". The morally conservative side trying to force everyone to live by there standards, instead of providing options.

And on the topic of beastiality, an animal can't give consent to marry, so marriage is not even a possibility. You're practically comparing gay people to animals with that quote, and that's rather insulting.

Who are we to say who's a second class citizen and who can and can't have the right to the "pursuit of happiness"? A rose is a rose is a rose. Love is love. Face it. The golden rule: Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Would you like being second rate or scorned for being a bad Christian simply for loving?

I didn't think so.

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It's just not right.

Why?

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If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

How?

I don't agree with gay marriage. It's just not right.

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Laws Shouldn't reflect religion.

On this topic, it should. The Bible states that a man and a woman are a true couple, not a man and a man or any other kind of union. If gay marriage is ever approved across the United States, there is a very strong chance of things such as beastiality becoming legal.

That sort of thing doesn't sound plausible, does it? If we abuse the First Ammendment and ignore the moral fabric of this country, which was founded on Christian beliefs, then these sorts of things very well could happen.

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The one thing that drives me op a wall is when people who are against gay marriage is that it is against the bible.

Want to know why that drives me up a wall?



Because I'm a Christian. And I know that's not true.

The one thing that drives me op a wall is when people who are against gay marriage is that it is against the bible. I mean honestly. They used that to defend slavery. I mean I'm not saying that a church needs to perform gay marriage if they don't want to, that's their choice. The government should however recognize gay marriage. Laws Shouldn't reflect religion. As for civil Unions... well that just reminds me of separate, bat equal. Which, as we found, was not equal in the minds of the public.

I've always looked at it like this:
If the Government is against gender discrimination, it should be blind to one's gender.
If the Government is against gay marriage, it is not blind to one's gender.
Therefore, any government that is against gay marriage, is for gender discrimination.

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So try getting out of your little boxes and see the whole picture.

LOL I liked that!

Anyway...who's fucking business is it? PEOPLE fall in love with PEOPLE, if they want to get married they should be able to(same sex or not), that is not going to lead to me asking to be able to marry a 5 year old or me asking to marry a cow. But problem is as some of you have mentioned already that the stupid "tradition" is MAN and WOMAN, and everyone knows it's fucking hard to let go of traditions, no matter how stupid they are.

Let me state that I hate radicals. It doesn't matter what they stand for radicals tend to not be capable of understanding or accepting the other side's opinion. Its like they basically refuse to acknowledge that the other side has any right to disagree with them.

Saying that. Anybody who is not willing to accept that homosexuals have the same the rights as the next person should try and concider what it would be like to be in their situation.

Take for example, lets say you are in love (I am not saying that this love is with your same sex or not) and you love this person so much that you want to spend the rest of your life with them. The logical conclution is that you should get married. Now lets say someone tells you that you're not allowed to because its not socially acceptable. Reminds me of when Black people were not allowed to marry White people. It's sickening.

So try getting out of your little boxes and see the whole picture.

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huge

Seeing as you are, I would appreciate you squashing the homophobes.

I am a huge gay rights activist. But I also understand that some people don't think that homosexuality is ok. I respect that, but I think we need to put out there that if you don't agree with it then just leave it alone. Denying marriage is just rude and disrespectful. Have respect.