Question:
I just wanted to know what you people thought about the verdict in the Amadou Diallo trial (If you don't know what I'm talking about, please look it up on google or something). I attended a protest in Albany and was enraged with the verdict.

Choices:
I think that the cops were not guilty and the jury was smart
I think the cops were racist and should have gone to jail
I am torn!!!!!
What the hell are you talking about????????????

 

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9mm + 4 men= one of the officers had to have reloaded his clip.

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Police carry high capacity clips, which give them more than the standard 10 rounds.

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Can't you be charged with unintended murder? Like how a drunk driver can be? So shouldn't these men have been charged with that? I mean, I'm sure they didn't mean to kill him but killing is still killing!

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I do believe all 4 men should have been convicted in unvoluntary manslaughter.

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Possibly, but they weren't charged with that. They were charged with 2nd degree murder (thanks to the rantings of people like Vegan). They were aquitted of those charges because of reasons already covered in this thread. You can't try someone twice for the same death.

After reading the article, this HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM. I do believe all 4 men should have been convicted in unvoluntary manslaughter. It was truly seemingly by evidence and a ccount a mistake. In CA, a woman was shot to death for approaching a State police officer with what appeared to be a raised knife. It turned out that it was a pear peeler, but the officer claimed the woman approached him in a manner that was as though she was attacking him. This seems to involuntary as well, yet some punishment should be served.

shooting 41 times is suspicious though, it depends on the gun
9mm + 4 men= one of the officers had to have reloaded his clip. but of course there are other guns w/ the capacity to hold more bullets. This does seem as overexcessive force. Yet, they may have seen it as self defense.

Can't you be charged with unintended murder? Like how a drunk driver can be? So shouldn't these men have been charged with that? I mean, I'm sure they didn't mean to kill him but killing is still killing!

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I wonder if you guys defend the torture and total destruction of Abner Louimer's digestive system by NYPD's sodomy attack of another innocent BLACK man? Do you think that shoving a broken broom stick up Abner's **** was justifiable?

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No! I don't know anyone who would think something like that was justifiale, and it's ridiculous that you would even accuse us of thinking so. Ghose cops were disgusting, and wereconvicted! There was absolutely no reasonable doubt that that was an accident. There was no way in hell they didn't mean to attack an innocent man, hence their sentence.

However, in the case of Amadou Diallo, there was a lot of reasonable doubt. They didn't go out that day, thinking "hey, let's go find a black man and shoot him! That sounds like fun!" They were aquitted with good reason.

You are the one who is prejudice against white cops.

Police Brutality. What the **** are we coming to? Mistreating POW's, shooting at unarmed people 41 times...does any of this bull**** go through someone's head logically? Please tell me if it does. I thought racism was for people in the deep South that didn't know better and they were dying out. What the **** is going on?

VEGAnQueen needs to STFU... every legit point that is made she says "it doesnt matter" yes it does matter. I still dont know what point Queen is trying to make besides the cops were racist. Cops shoot to kill, if the guy doesnt die the cop gets suspended or fired because it means he didnt have reason enough to shoot the guy.


If you are dumb enough to pull somehting out on a cop you will get shot. If someone did that to me I will not hesitate to shoot them.

Queen you have to understand once guns start going off things get kinda crazy, its not like a video game. Deafning popping, bright flashes, a suspected armed rapist pulling out an object. thats chaos.

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Why did it take the cops 41 shots to realize that the man they were shooting at didn't have a gun?

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this has already been explaned... 5 cops 5 guns 54 rounds total. So its very easy to get off 41 rounds between them.

Looking at your unyielding support for the cops' actions just gives me the shivers, and all I can do is shake my head . I guess some people never understand the senselessness of the police's actions, and the excrutiating pain that Amadou's family feels, knowing that their Diallo wasn't the rape suspect the police thought he was, nor was he armed.
I wonder if you guys defend the torture and total destruction of Abner Louimer's digestive system by NYPD's sodomy attack of another innocent BLACK man? Do you think that shoving a broken broom stick up Abner's **** was justifiable?

Why did it take the cops 41 shots to realize that the man they were shooting at didn't have a gun? and wasn't aiming at them in any way? If cops are aiming at their suspect, they should be looking at them correct? Then why couldn't they see that Amadou wasn't aiming at them? If these cops are so easily confused by their own gunfire, some sort of training needs to be implemented. If their eyesight is so poor that they can't see if their target ( an object which they should be given their complete attention) has no weapon whatsoever, they shouldn'thave their badges. Blind, and easily confused cops like these are not protecting the public, instead they're shooting them down. Only to find out later that their victims were unarmed, innocent, and probably couldn't understand their verbal commands ( Amadou was from west Africa).

Its very easy to squeeze off 8 shots from a semi auto pistol. I have done it in under 7 seconds so i could see how if the cops paniced which they probably did when the bullets came flying back they could have unloaded 41 shots all together before they realized what was really going on.

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This is false statement. Its falsehood is ascertained by various, reliable news sources.

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There's a difference between charged and convicted. You have them confused. They were charged with murder, and aquitted.

It seems your so hateful towards all white cops, like you're in a blind rage. And you're only hearing what you want to hear. You continute to repeat yourself, saying "41 times", but it's not as if they sat there and shot him 41 times just for the hell of it. It was just a matter of very chaotic seconds.
The fact that the bullets ricocheted back at them is a very important point. In a chaotic situation, the police were very easily confused at the bullets coming back at them. You're supposed to fire when fired upon.

It shouldn't have happened, and is a tragedy, but it would be even worse if the cops that were just trying to do their job weren't allowed to anymore, because of that night.

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Does it take 41 bullets to put ONE unarmed man down? we both know the answer to that question. Does it take 12 bullets to put a man down? That is common sense. So it is obvious that NYPD were using excessive force.

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Excessive force does not equal "lynching".

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This is false statement. Its falsehood is ascertained by various, reliable news sources.

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What you posted supported what I said. They were brought up on murder charges and aquitted.

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It boggles my mind as to how you can say that there was no intent on murdering Diallo. When the officers decided to shoot at him 41 times, the pulling of the trigger was intended to bring Amadou to his knees, to murder him.

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The officers did not "decide" to shoot him 41 times. The men, before they approached him, did not huddle up and agree that they were going to shoot someone X times. Here's what most likely was going through thier head:

-Fear of approaching an expected armed man.
-Worries about personal saftey
-Said suspicous man suddenly pulling a dark gun-sized object out of his pocket when told to freeze
-Training dictating to fire at this man and to protect oneself
-Bullets come flying back at you, even though you have shot the man
-The man is still alive and a threat to you, since you beleive you have been fired upon. Solution: Fire more untill he stops.

And thus, each officer in a frantic state of mind fires of 8 shots from a semi-automatic pistol. Not a hard thing to do.

You articles provided a nice quote about this:

"In a statement, acting Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said prosecutors would not press charges because they 'could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officers willfully deprived Mr. Diallo of his constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force.'"

Yet again it doesn't matter if regular police officers are/aren't trained in squad tactics. What matters is that police officers need to use wise judgement when deciding to fire a weapon at a "suspect" and when deciding how many times to fire at the "suspect".
Quote:"One one man is going to pull a gun on you, you shoot him as many times as it takes to put him down."
Does it take 41 bullets to put ONE unarmed man down? we both know the answer to that question. Does it take 12 bullets to put a man down? That is common sense. So it is obvious that NYPD were using excessive force.

Quote: " They were charged with second degree murder:

Murder with intent and with a reckless disregard of human life."

This is false statement. Its falsehood is ascertained by various, reliable news sources.

CNN:Amadou Diallo's murder

The Washington Post: Amadou's Diallo murder

BBC News: Amadou Diallo's Murder


It boggles my mind as to how you can say that there was no intent on murdering Diallo. When the officers decided to shoot at him 41 times, the pulling of the trigger was intended to bring Amadou to his knees, to murder him.

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There is no question that if this man was white, his corpse wouldn't have been filled with so 12 bullet wounds, nor would he have had 41 shells sprinkled around him, while he lay dead on the ground.

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There is no question, huh? So then you wouldn't mind proving this to me beyond a reasonable doubt? Because so far, all you've done is spewed logical fallacies and come to a monumental conclusion based on no evidence whatsoever.

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And this unarmed man was hit 12 times. So if there were five men like you said, it was STILL a diabolical act of hatred and prejudice that prompted these
"officers" to collectively shoot their guns at ONE MAN 41 times.

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Each officer is an individual man. Regualr police are not trained in squad tactics. One one man is going to pull a gun on you, you shoot him as many times as it takes to put him down. If you beleive you are recieving return fire, you keep shooting.

The cops did what they were trained to do. Stop the murder BS. It wasn't that. That the prosecuter failed to charge them with something they could be convicted with isn't my problem. They were charged with second degree murder:

Murder with intent and with a reckless disregard of human life.

There was no intent on murdering this man, no premediation.

You need to look at YOUR bias against white cops. Your predjudice assumes all white cops are racist. Untill you provide solid statistics that more innocent black are gunned down violently by police on a regular basis, you've got no case here. Just like the prosecuters in NYC.

It doesn't matter if no one cop pulled his trigger 41 times or not. The fact of the matter is that there were 41 shots directed at Amadou Diallo that night in Brooklyn, by NYPD. And this unarmed man was hit 12 times. So if there were five men like you said, it was STILL a diabolical act of hatred and prejudice that prompted these
"officers" to collectively shoot their guns at ONE MAN 41 times.4 shots in the body, by well trained officers would have been sufficient. 5 shots in the body would have been even more effective to bring the man down. 6 shots in the body, and they would have surely have killed this man. 7 shots in the body and there would've been no doubt that that man was dead. 8 shots in the mans body would've been excessive. 9 shots in the body the man would've been long dead from blood loss. but they didn't stop at 5, they stopped at 12 in the body. There is no question that if this man was white, his corpse wouldn't have been filled with so 12 bullet wounds, nor would he have had 41 shells sprinkled around him, while he lay dead on the ground.

But this many wasn't white, he was Black. And thats why the jury decided that the NYPD officers were innocent of ALL charges. and that, my friend is despicable!

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pulling the trigger aimed at one man 41 times in no "mistake". It is diabolical. In the Amadou Diallo case, all of the officers that were involved in this mans appalling murder were acquitted of all 6 counts.

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No one pulled the trigger 41 times. At most somone would have to pull it 9 times. No one stopped and reloaded, or anything of that sort. This happened in a matter of seconds.

If you have the image of sadisitic cops standing over the mans body pumping bullets into it, then you've got to rethink the situation. There were 5 men, all on edge, all nervous, scared because they thought they were approaching an armed and dangerous man.

This suspected armed and dangrous man, when told to freeze, turned around and pulled a dark object out of his pocket. The police fired because that is what training dictated they do. When someone who is suspected of being armed and dangerous makes a sudden movement and pulls a suspicous object out of thier pocket, they fire.
So all five cops fire, probably about 3 rounds each, already at least 15 bullets. One or more bullets richoceted back at the police, and in they believed, in the split second this happened that the were being fired upon. So they fired more shots, another five or six shots each. That can happen EXTREMELY fast. How can you say this is diabolical?

pulling the trigger aimed at one man 41 times in no "mistake. It is diabolical

pulling the trigger aimed at one man 41 times in no "mistake". It is diabolical. In the Amadou Diallo case, all of the officers that were involved in this mans appalling murder were acquitted of all 6 counts.