Originally posted by clpo13: Hell, why don't we just ban marriage altogether? It's more trouble than it's worth. If you love someone, you shouldn't need a certificate saying so.
Eh, it's more of a legal thing. If you love someone, you're going to want to not have to go through all of that post-mortem grossness legally. Wills, rights, etc. I mean, look at Terri ...whatever her last name was. Had her husband not been legally bound to her, who knows what complete madness she would've been put through.
Even more court battles than there already was. It just saves time and heartbreak if everything is settled through marriage.
Wait, sorry, but is incest actually illegal? *blink* I was just thinking about it. I think it might not be. I mean, it's not illegal for an older woman (like, 50) to try and have a baby, and that is also a situation that produces a high rate of birth defects...
Federal law denies mairrages between those who are less than second cousins. That's why we have blood tests before marriages.
Actually, it depends on the state. Here in Washington, it's actually third cousins. And blood tests aren't to check how closely you're related. It's to check for Rh factor, and if you're carriers of hereditary blood diseases like sickle cell anemia, or hemophilia. And not all states have blood tests either. My parents didn't get one before they were married, at least I don't think so, (and yes, I've asked).
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Okay, my family has been Mormon since the beginning of Mormonism, at least on my mom's side. One of my ancestors actually donated the majority of the money used to print the first additions of the Book of Mormon. I have read the diaries of my female ancestors involved in polygamous marriages, and they never felt that their husbands didn't love them. All of them were in loving marriages, and they had nothing against them. This is their diaries. Not letters.
Secondly, I would not feel offended if my husband had another wife than me. In fact, in the Mormon religion, though you cannot be married to more than one women on earth, a man may be married to more than one women in heaven, so it may happen to me, and frankly, I'm not worried.
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Originally posted by Aguagon: If marriage isn't about love, then what is it about? A man and a woman recognizing they're of the opposite gender and obtaining a license for tax benefits?
They want to spend the rest of eternity together, and want to create life with.
And marriage has just become something about love within the past 75 years. Before that, you'd get married, perhaps you'd like each other dearly, and you'd learn to love each other. At least in the majority of cases.
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If marriage isn't about love, then what is it about? A man and a woman recognizing they're of the opposite gender and obtaining a license for tax benefits?
Love is certainly not a prerequisite for marriage, fair enough, but it's still the best reason to marry. And one could argue that polygamous love and monogamous love are really separate entities. As Celtic pointed out below, I'm sure those in polygamous relationships inevitably play favorites with their husbands/wifes, and I think it's only possible to love one person in a true romantic way at a time. Otherwise, guilt and jealousy would consume all parties involved. It's just human nature.
To compare homosexual monogomy with heretosexual polygomy is quite a stretch. One might even call it a slippery-slope claim of Dauben-esque proportions.
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Wait, sorry, but is incest actually illegal? *blink* I was just thinking about it. I think it might not be. I mean, it's not illegal for an older woman (like, 50) to try and have a baby, and that is also a situation that produces a high rate of birth defects...
Federal law denies mairrages between those who are less than second cousins. That's why we have blood tests before marriages.
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After watching a movie about this and hearing of it for the first time from this movie, I do not agree with polygamy, whether it's the wife who has many husbands or the husband who has many wives.
It makes way too many problems, like jealousy, abuse of the children or the wives (Because I only seen cases that the husbands has a lot of wives), it set woman back and it's not how society is around here.
From my own point of view, I don't think that's how marriage should be. Marriage should have 'real love" and I don't think you can be in love with more than one person at a time. I think that you could fall in love more than once but I do not think you can love more than one person at a time. That's why, when people who cheat say that they are in love with two people, I don't believe it. Your in love with one or the other, or your not in love with neither. I don't think anyone's heart could love like that for more than one person, no one culd really handle it. People get confuse and their are different types of love.
ok, firstly, I do not see how you brought gay marriage into this. It's an entirely different matter.
As for the polygamy issue, I guess the reason that it will never really work in most societies is that it is insulting and demeaning to the people who are being treated as merely one of many wives. And as for your arguement being that marriage should be allowed as long as love is involved, should a love that is strong enough to result in love not include mutual trust, and respect for each others feelings. How can you respect how someone would feel, be trying not to hurt or degrade them, if you go out and get a new one a little while down the line?
Aë, one may say that one can love more than one person, and that is dreadfully true. But the true actual rare love that I can't explain can only happen to one person. Lust is not love, it's lust.
Politically speaking, your arguements are pretty weak. There really arn't laws that say that you have to marry for love. Although I'm gonna agree that the United States won't accept it (much like gay marriage except more so), I'm not sure that it's strictly unconstitutional to be married to more than one person, or, you know, a goat.
I think that for now, though, the definition of marriage is going to stay firmly in the "two humans" range of things.
And, personally? I think polygamy is pretty demeaning for the multiple partners. I wouldn't like it.
Wait, sorry, but is incest actually illegal? *blink* I was just thinking about it. I think it might not be. I mean, it's not illegal for an older woman (like, 50) to try and have a baby, and that is also a situation that produces a high rate of birth defects...
I assume you were joking about the pedophilia thing, CelticNewAger. How would you feel if your husband had several wives, and not just you, hubbabaloo. Don't you think it might be a bit insulting? I mean, its like, aren't I good enough? Also, its sexist, as its mostly men with many wives. I've never heard of a case where a woman has multiple husbands, though that doesn't mean it has never happened.
Polygamy, if unbalanced, is keen on disrespecting. It's bad for your money, if you're a husband with 15 wives and you're planning to maintain them all. Most polygamous marriages are abusive in both physical, but more so a psychological sense. How would you feel if you were a lesser wife but your sister a prefered wife? Communities in which polygamy has occured tends to also have higher (I said highER not HIGH) rates of incest. Wanna see the results of incest? Amish communities, in which people tend to usually end up with cousins or second cousins, have higher rates of down syndrome and other hereditary diseases.
Aë, one may say that one can love more than one person, and that is dreadfully true. But the true actual rare love that I can't explain can only happen to one person. Lust is not love, it's lust.
Polygamy sets back women, considering that usually it's the husband with multiple wives. Fatal Attraction, anyone?
And, honestly, polygamy will never be legal in the US. Why? Because the culture itself won't allow it to blend in... here in the West we're selfish and think we deserve one person only for ourselves. To add insult to injury, polygamy has gotten horrible feedback in the US media anyways. You'll never hear of the polygamous family in which everyone concented into the thing and is happy.
Also, free love does not = polygamy. If you think so, you're rather wrong.
But I'm all for pedophilia.
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