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Picture of bella123
Registered: July 26, 2004
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I was reading in the paper the other day about Policemen setting up a 'test' to see how stores selling beer and wine react to underage kids trying to buy something they're not old enough to buy(ie:beer). Out of the ten places set up, only 3 passed the test. 7 out of 10 local stores holding beer didn't once question or give a second look to these minors.


And those same exact people behind the counter slap on the labels of all teenagers being "irresponsable" and "dangerous--liable for drunkedness."


Hello? They're the ones selling the beer to the minors. They're the ones letting these kids risk their lives and others as well. Am i the only one seeing something horribly wrong with this?


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Registered: February 02, 2004
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I think you're right lice. A lot of the restrictions only lead to teenagers rebelling, however, if those rules were changed right away, there'd be a period where teenagers did all that stuff just because they could. The teenage population isn't mature enough to realize why there are laws about drinking, cigarettes, driving, etc.


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Registered: September 15, 2006
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Law is regulated to restrict minor from buying alcohol due to the concern that minor is immature. However, I think that with such law imposed, minor will be more aggressive to rebel and contravene. It happens to all where minor is more likely to rebel in the age of 13-17. Maybe it happens due to the influence of the peer or should i say peer’s pressure. It is the same case as cigarette where legislation in my country stated that minor are not allowed to smoke and the counters also have the responsibility not to sell cigarette to those who is underage. Therefore, we should not put all the blame on minor since we think that they are immature enough to handle all the stuff. The others from the community such as parents, school, and seller of alcoholic drinks and cigarette must bear the same responsibility to deter these. Parents and school should communicate more with the minor without the wrong idea of commanding them. These would worsen the whole situation. Although minor would have no interest in those which they think is gibberish. Parent should also play a role model, you could not deprive minor from taking alcohol and cigarette where you yourselves are doing so right? Or they can also act like wildcat526’s parents where minor are only allowed to drink at home. Counters should also play a significant role by abide the law. These are not to discriminate against minor’s age but to protect them from the menace they might cause by being drunk. I personally think that it is not wrong to drink or smoke as long as you know when to stop and not taking it for granted.
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Registered: October 18, 2004
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quote:
Shagufta


huh


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Registered: August 12, 2004
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Well my parents say I can drink at home, and I don't even take them up on it. But their rule is that I have to be at home when I drink and for the rest of the night. What's the big deal with that? I'm not going to cause a problem that way. And it isn't like you automatically get drunk when you drink. If you're esponsibly drinking, you don't drive or go out, and you don't drink to get drunk. Drink responsibly at 16? Why not?


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Registered: July 31, 2003
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I think that drunken teenagers are just as bad as drunken adults. Sometimes some teenagers are more "mature" than some adults. I'll be honest, I drink, not bcz of peer pressure or whatever, I do it bcz I like it. No, I don't like beer or all that stuff that tastes nasty. But yes, I understand that they are trying to lower the accidents and stuff, but honestly, has it lowered it a lot to make it worth the effort? I don't know so thats why I'm asking.

Where I come from, Puerto Rico, you can go up and buy alcohol anywhere they don't ID you. The age limit is 18 so thats why I was surprised when I heard it was 21 here. But whatever, I just think it really depends on the teenager and the adult. For example I won't try to drive if I know I've drank enough to affect me, I won't get in a car with a drunk driver, and I won't let any of my friends to drive when they're drunk. Some adults just don't care, or are too drunk to care. That's my opinion.

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Registered: March 30, 2005
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Teenagers are not considered adults by the law (unless we do something wrong, I guess), and we lack the judgment of fully mature adults.

Which is worse: an immature teenager buying alcohol, or the "mature" adult clerk selling alcohol to the minor to make a quick buck?


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Registered: November 28, 2003
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I think that if teenagers are going to drink then they are irresponsible, and they deserve the label they get for it. Even if the people selling the alcohol are irresponsible too, it doesn't mean that teenagers should even be asking to buy it in the first place. Both sides share equal blame. Besides, drunken adults are as irresponsible as drunken teenagers.


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Registered: November 28, 2004
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Thats like the question on wether parents are enough to controle underage drinking or wether you require laws to keep in controle . The second one does work coz in Pune(India) They have a law saying you cant buy a smoke unless your above 18 and you cant smoke in Public places . [I]"It sort of works" . [/I]

Shagufta

Thats weird...my parents are from India, and they always say like if a kid went up to a vendor and said he wanted to buys it for his dad, they would give it to him. What I mean is, how do you know "
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Registered: October 18, 2004
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Thats like the question on wether parents are enough to controle underage drinking or wether you require laws to keep in controle . The second one does work coz in Pune(India) They have a law saying you cant buy a smoke unless your above 18 and you cant smoke in Public places . It sort of works .

I think here the policeguyz who set the laws should be more responsible than either the bartender or the minor .


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Registered: April 03, 2004
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This is a tricky question but in my opinion i think its really depends, but if i had to make a choice i would say teenagers. why? becuse teenagers like myself go through a point in thier life where the feel like they are being strapped down with things like curfues. they want to show that world that they dont feel like they should follow those rules and do whatever the heak they want. i gives us teens a sense of power and independance thay we all strive for and sometimes just express it in the wrong way. I'm CheeseLemons and thats my opinion.


Your screen name sucks. Learn to spell.

becuse=because
thier=their
curfues=curfews
heak= heck
gives=give
independance=independence
thay=they


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Registered: November 18, 2004
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This is a tricky question but in my opinion i think its really depends, but if i had to make a choice i would say teenagers. why? becuse teenagers like myself go through a point in thier life where the feel like they are being strapped down with things like curfues. they want to show that world that they dont feel like they should follow those rules and do whatever the heak they want. i gives us teens a sense of power and independance thay we all strive for and sometimes just express it in the wrong way. I'm CheeseLemons and thats my opinion.


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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Ikki, that's because legally someone who distributes alcohol is required by law to ID anyone that looks under 30, 40 and even 50 depending on your own state's regulations


I know. I was saying that's how it worked around here.

Actually, it's really funny cause they once carded someone in their 80s or 90s.


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Registered: July 26, 2004
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It isn't that severe in some cases, though. Public humiliation works quite well.


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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Ikki, that's because legally someone who distributes alcohol is required by law to ID anyone that looks under 30, 40 and even 50 depending on your own state's regulations. Otherwise, the business can lose its license and the person is convicted of ( I am not sure of the degree of the "conviction") a misdemeanor or a felony. A felony can keep you from getting a job ever again and never handling alcohol again.


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Registered: August 17, 2001
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where I live, people as old as 40 get carded by some stores. There are ads on the radio constantly about the 'We Card' program. I also want to know where this study was taken.


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Registered: September 29, 2004
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I think the irresponsibility doesn't come with allowing teenagers to buy alcohol, or even the teenagers drinking the alcohol. I think it comes with the fact that teenagers are stupid when they're drunk, as are adults. However, it's simply easier to control teenagers with laws than it is with adults.

The whole drinking age thing is just a ploy to lower drunken driving/drunken fight deaths and occurrances. I don't mind it, and I don't mind the accusations because I don't give a **** what they say about teenagers.


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Registered: March 09, 2004
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Or maybe those people behind the counter believe America is a free country and minors should be able to buy alcohol.
Where was this test taken? Where im from its a lot harder to find a store that will sell to minors.

Bella have you ever tried to buy alcohol? because it sounds like you don't know what your talking about.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Of course there's something wrong with it. But can we do anything about it? Not likely. Hypocrites will be behind 7-11 counters whether we like it or not.


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