When did women begin tolerating the words "ho", "****", "skank"...etc...? and why do we allow these rappers to sing about their "hos in different area codes"? what is wrong wiht standing up for ourselves once in a while and who made it "ok" for women to be referred to like that?

yes i agree jill. Lets start a womens rights movement. The other day i was having a discussion about drafting women. I can't remember how we got onto that topic but anyway, all of the guys were getting at the same thing as to why women shouldn't be drafted. One kid said "I don't wanna see some chick get shot" is that all women are anymore? delicate little "CHICKS" that are inferior to men? all the guys would have said that if they weren't so scared of my incredibly tough female teacher. So what do you think? Why have women become so inferior again?

I am an overweight teenager. I excercise and other things but I have a thyroid gland problem and it is hard for me to lose weight. When i watch telivision everything is based on pretty, fake boobed women that are extremely skinny. Maybe i'm wrong but that offends me. women aren't always super skinny or sexy. Can't we get so called "ugly" actors and actresses sometimes? why is it that all women are to the world is sex symbols? there are more commercials portraying women as sexy skinny UNREAL women. we need real women who are plain, "ugly", or "fat" to the world in show business. and another thing, who decided what was pretty in this world? anorexic, super skinny, women who wear more makeup than clothes?? I hardly find them pretty.

if that is how u wanna dress than go ahead!!!! u dont have to be a **** jus cuz u dress like 1

saving silverman wasn't that bad. jack back rulz! i can't think of any scences that would have been extraordinarily offensive..... nope. wait there was a scene with a scantally clad nun, but she was hot so it was o.k..

I was just wondering: what did you guys think of the comedy "Saving Silverman"? I never watched it (never want to), but I remember Ebert and Roeper calling it a very "mysogenist" movie. (Sorry if I spelled it incorrectly.) They also used this term to describe the movie "Tomcats," another raunchy comedy aimed at teenage guys. What do you think about these and other raunchy comedies??

The media has never really had anything to do with the way I see myself. I mean, I might see something that I like about a person's body from TV but I do that when I see a person on the street. Anyway it all comes down to what I think.

mi-sog-y-ny (mi säj' uh ni): n. hatred of women, esp. by a man.

Could someone tell me what Misogyny means?

I tried looking down the forum messages, but couldn't find a precise definition; I have guesses, but I just want to make sure.

sillylady i too am tired of mtv, and mainstream popular culture altogether. INDIE RLZ.

specifically the real world. that used to be my favorite show a while back, but it lost all credability after #5 or around that. All these reality programs blew up, and suddenly ANYONE can become a celebrity(the most revered icon in our culture). they know that they are going to be on t.v., so it's inevitable that people are going to be more motivated by fame, money, recognition; ahh. to be a god.

people on those shows are all about thier narcisstic, overinflated, eluded in granduer egos. i despise the show now. for the above reasons, and the ones you pointed out.

it's andy warhols "15 minutes of fame" manifested in front or us..... everyone wants to be idolized.

Well, if you have noticed, The Real World has become all these model skinny people, compare the Las Vegas cast to Real World 1 and 2 and there is SUCH a difference. The real world 1 and 2 was much more true to what normal people are like. Also the show Dismissed is like a love fest. You have these guys who most of them choose the girl who was willing to put out more and in almost every episode there is a pool or hottub just so you can catch the girls in their bikinis. During the 20 minute break the two people are all over each other and they have only known each otehr a few hours. I've also noticed that some of the girls seem to have some bisexual action going on with each other, whatever happened to the simple " Love Connection" show? I don't think most peoples dates are like this. Don't even get me started on Undressed, I really cannot believe that MTV promoted that show to its veiwers who are usually 12-17, all that show is , is a corny show about young people having sex every 2 minutes its sad. I miss the old days where they had good shows and good music back in the late eighties to early ninties. MTV has become a large icon to youth and I think that it really should do a better job.

*Sniff* it's so sad.

I would like to congratulate sinope, fwegan and redjill for always doing great posts. Thanks u guys, u make these boards a better place.

Is the herbal essences ad you're talking about the one where she says to her boyfriend 'We're getting along great… but I've found something new'? (I don't know if we're as behind on American commercials over here as we are on American tv series). Have you seen how much shampoo the woman on that uses? She starts, and just keeps going… SQUEEZE IT OUT GIRL, YEAH, GO FOR IT!
Completely irrelevant but I thought I'd mention it.

Very true how commercials are a reflection of society, or at least its stereotypes. We spend a lot of time in my family laughing at adverts. I hate particularly the way the couples are always getting at each other. For chrissakes get a divorce!

Television programmes, too, are often advertising a lifestyle. Cookery shows are a good example. For example, in Britain we have 2 celebrity cooks: Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson, each with their own cookery show. I've seen both of them and it struck me how they were both depiting, in different ways, an 'ideal' lifestyle. Jamie Oliver is a typical geezer (sorry, Brit slang, dunno if you'll get it) - always havin' a larf and saying stuff like 'wicked mate wicked' and has a trendy urban lifestyle… dates an ex-model and rides a motorbike. Nigella Lawson is high up in society, married to an ex-politician I think. She is like 'the perfect housewife'. She is terribly sophisticated and perfectly poised and says things like 'for me, pomengranates are the quintissential Christmas fruit' and 'you simply can't have a fully-stocked kitchen without a good supply of tinned (insert food name of choice)' or whatever… She holidays in terribly well-decorated holiday homes and has lavish dinner parties and so on… Jamie Oliver represents the stereotypical bloke with the cool flat and lifestyle, Nigella Lawson the person all women should aspire to be.
Basically, the media is always telling us the lifestyle, the clothes, the family, the attitude, the accessories we should have. And all of us in some way are influenced by that.

Someone here (redjill55, i think?) mentioned Jump magazine, which had the subtitle "for girls who dare to be real." I remember that magazine. I bought it once at the train station, loved it... and never saw it on the newsstands again. It didn't occur to me that it was no longer being published. I still have a copy of it, pulled apart though it may be because of my need to tear out and save the good articles. It didn't have nearly as many ads showing girls half-dressed. It wasn't nearly as superficial. And thus, it didn't survive. Seems sort of a bad metaphor for society.

there's a time and place for it. it's called porn.(i forgot about that when we were talking about men's magazines. those magazines probably outsell any other type of magazine on the market. what do guys read? swank. club. hustler. lovely photographs ).

ahhhhhhh. i see what you mean. that is a good point fwegan. as all forms of media branched and evolved into more risque content, so the people, simutaneously, evolved and just got used to it being around. that makes sense.

ps. sinope is a city in which the cynic philosopher named diogenes was born. very interesting character. also it's a satalite in retrograde orbit around one of jupitor's moons, io (leave me alone im a science geek ). and it's an obscure ambiguous word that makes me sound cooler than i really am. plus killyrtv was already taken.

sinope:

Actually, I was directing my feminist angst at Miss Buffy. You were merely an accomplice (no worries).

Something about feeling a need to prove my point makes me very inarticulate, so it makes sense that my point didn't make sense to you. (Does that make sense?) Let me give an example to illustrate my would-be point:

So in the 50s, there were really simple commercials; advertisers didn't feel the need to manipulate people as much as they do now in order to get money from them. As you said, they'd show the shampoo bottle, talk about the name, what it does, show this woman who's been using it for a year, and do a close-up on her hair. Simple.

Now imagine that, in this world of sterile, up-front marketing plans, a radical shampoo company called "Herbal Essences" starts airing commercials of woman shampooing, surrounded by singing, topless men, and enjoying quite the dramatic climax. What would happen? Most TV stations would refuse to air it, parents would usher their children out of the living room when it came on, and consumers, en mass, would vow to never buy anything from Herbal Essences, that disgusting, vile company that desecrated their TVs. Herbal Essences would go broke, or at least figure out that they needed a different scam. And most importantly, other advertisers wouldn't even think about using such blatant sexual...weirdness (for lack of a better word) to sell their products.

If anyone still doesn't understand my point about how we, as consumers, ultimately control advertising and the media, then I may just have to give up for a while.

Thank you, I’ll be here all week.


Love, Jenny

P.S. Yes, Jill, start as many topics as you can! (I get some sick pleasure out of starting new topics, but they never work...my dreams shall have to be carried out by you.)

P.P.S. Maybe this isn't the right time/place to ask, but I just gotta know; what the heck does "sinope" mean?

When I use Herbal Essences I just smile at the scent and wash my hair; simple as that.
...Maybe we should start a "stupid commercials" topic. Sound okay to you guys?

sorry fwegan. i didn't mean to use the w word so offensivly. promiscuous persons. "yes" people. monogomy challenged. . sorry. imana$$.

i kind of disagree with your point about how we help and 'let' the media use sexual suggestive material to sell thier products. i may have mis interpreted your point but that's what i got from it.heres what i mean:

in the fifties they probably had shampoo comercials right. they'd show the bottle and a voiceover would say "blah blah blah! shiny hair, BUY blah blah blah!" cut to.....

now a days we still have shampoo comercials ; that much hasn't changed, but what's up with that herbal essence commercial!!!!! are they suggesting that if you use this shampoo than you will get off, and enjoy immediate satisfaction with one simple purchase?!?!?! seriously? they do it just to stand out among all the other shampoo competition obviously, but this is just one of the many examples. we need shampoo (or so the russians would have us believe) the ad world needs our money, so they exploit basic human emotions and experiences to get it. i dont' know where i'm going with this sooooo i'm just going to sud up if you know what i mean

I thought that guys liked commoricals like the skittle one. I men it's degrading to most of my friends when they're watch TV with their BF's and they see stuff like that and their man practilly drooling. they come to school upset and stuff. But then again they can be over protacting so...

They stopped censoring "whore"?