I am totally against abortion unless the mother is at risk. I don't understand how people can think that a fetus is not a child. Do you not know that before you were concieved God new what color your hair would be and if you were going to be a boy or girl. I am just outraged that some teens just go out get drunk and have sex. Then they don't face the consequenses and they just destroy a life. To me it is murder and you should fry in hell.

Aren't there like, 50+ other topics in various forums about abortion?

I didn't read all of your replies, but i disagree with abortion wholeheartedly. Anything that take a life is murder and that is just what abortion does, it takes a life. The mother may die giving birth, yes, but she may not. The child may have defromities or illness, but they may also be the most amazing human beings that have ever graced the face of Earth. The risk of the child dying shortly after birth or only living a few years may be a possibility because of a congenital disease, but the child may live to be 100 and prove the doctors wrong. Truth is, none of know when we are going to die. I must say that, honestly, I have never known a single person that was better off dead. Life can be such an amazing journey and for some it may be a longer trek than for others. It can be a gamble, a risk, but its definitely one worth taking.

I say life begins at conception, and my justification for this is that at any other point it would seem kinda ridiculus to say an embryo (BLANK) months old isn't a human but if its ( SAME AMOUNT) and 1 second then it is a human.

I agree with you, that children have the right to be in thier mothers womb, but I was trying to show that evan people who rant and rave about it being thier 'body' should realize that evan if they are right, then the baby is only tresspassing and you can't kill them for that.

I completely agree with livin4christ. For one thing, a baby is not "trespassing" on her/his mother's womb. She let him/her in by having sex (except in the case of rape). Another thing, it is completely wrong to kill a human being, no matter what it's age. It is always the same person. That's like saying that killing a 10 year old is wrong but killing a 5 year old is fine. However, it is debatable when the fetus becomes a human. I think that it is when brain waves begin, at a mere 21 days. I still think it's wrong to have an abortion even before that, though, unless the mother's physical health is threatened. Currently, abortion is legal throughout all 9 months of pregnancy! Premature babies are born at 8 months all the time! I think this policy is horrible and needs to change.

and if you will recall, the law says if the tresspasser is injured ( or killed) in the process of evicting them, the owner is liable. therefore, if a child is injured ( or killed) in the process of 'evicting' them from the womb, then the doctor, the mother, or both would be liable.

so your saying women have the right to a c-section. fine, but you still can't kill the child. you can demand to have it removed, but you can't kill it.

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If a person is in your house they are an extention of your house and you can therefore kill them if you want.

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No, but if someone is in my house and is bothering me- stealing from me or otherwise- I should be allowed to ask them to leave. Same with abortion.

what I don't get is, how can anyone think a baby is just an extention of the mothers body? with that line of reasoning, If a person is in your house they are an extention of your house and you can therefore kill them if you want.

Alright then. Thank you for apologizing. That really does mean alot to me. Its just the fact that I can't tell people what I think without being bombarded with constant condemnation. I respect peoples beliefs but why can't they just let me have my own. I know I'm being a hypocrite but I'm frustrated. I'm just realizing how I really feel about religion. I don't know if I'm an atheist now or not. Please don't try to change my mind...I've tried myself, but for the first time...I'm saying what I really feel instead of worrying about what God's gonna think. For me, it's great. I wouldn't recommend it for everyone though. Religions great but I don't really think I'm all about it right now. But back to abortion: no one really knows what they'd do if they found out they're pregnant. I'm really sorry if I offended anyone, I just really wanted to get my opinion out there. I didn't realize how condemning I, myself, sounded. Anyways...I'm just glad I got that out of my system

Much Love and all that schtick,
~Rachel~

No.....No.....No fetch, you don't need to say sorry to me, you weren't making me feel bad, no one was. I just feel bad period because some parents are so scared that their baby may have a mental or phyical condition that they will just have an abortion without really thinking that there's a possibly that the child will grow up to be just fine. I'm not saying it's wrong to have it. I guess it's a good idea, I wouldn't want a child to face the pain that many children face almost everyday. But it's still sad, it makes me think that they are just less of a person to everyone, well at least to some people. Like they shouldn't be alive because they are such hard work.
I really don't know what I'm saying so I'm ended this really lame post now before I say something that someone already said like a million times on this same topic and other people are just getting really annoy from hearong the same thing over and over again or before I say something new that no one said but is really stuipd and ignorant.
So Bye n Have a nice day

Whoa, whoa. A few days gone and I missed a lot. And I won't be able to come online again until Friday. Then I'll have some major catching up to do. I've been enjoying this- I like debating, even though I don't agree with a lot of you. Anyway....

First of all, Teddy, I'm sorry I made you feel bad. But I really wasn't talking about your case. A lot og things are hard for us, but we think they're worth it or enjoy them anyway. Like school for example. And I believe that's the case with your mother. It's hard bringing up any child- I know I probably wasn't easy, and I don't have any major sicknesses. Overall though, I know that even though I was (am) a trial or my parents they love me anyway and don't regret having me. And I'm sure that's the case for your parents. As for their divorce- I'm not sure what your relationship with your father is, but divorce rarely is on acount of the children.

Aurora, SnoopyD. I agree that adoption is always an option, the question is for what. There are millions of kids waiting to be adopted, and less couples wanting to adopt. Even the couples that DO want to adopt, sometimes can't- adoption is a long process abd some people can't adopt, like homosexual couples (in some states; not sure about all) or past major offenders.

snoopyD, I agree that a parent should love his/her child no matter what. (that's exactly why I was enraged to hear that scientists are working on finding a homosexuality gene, so parents could decided whether to abort the baby)
, but sadly that isn't always the case. and anyway, that wadn't what I meant. Sometimes a woman tries to get pregnant with a purpose of having a baby, thinking she has enough money, but when she finds out her baby will have special needs, she realizes her money isn't enough.

And I don't think I need to remind you that not everyone who has sex wants a baby. Married or not.

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at the very least they should put it up for adoption.

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This might sound cruel, but don't shoot the messenger: most people wouldn't pick a mentally retarded child out of hunderds/thousands/millions of children waiting to be adopted. Sad, but true.

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the idea that a person with mental/physical handicaps should be aborted if a parent does not wish to "deal with the child" is disgusting.

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Hopefully my above post will make you understand that wasn't what I meant. A lot of parents can and want ANY child, but not everyone. A lot of women have abortions with plans of getting pregnant again, when they'd be able to take better care of the baby.

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ok, ok... soo... they live, but just merely exist, and they have no emotion... but life is a living hell for them?

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Maybe not them, but the very least, those surrounding them.

listen, i wasn't condemning you so i apologize if that's how you feel about it. you're right, only god can judge you, i know that... and i wasn't judging you. but in the same sense, why can't i post my honest opinion about it without you attacking me? you just complained about "bible beaters" cramming their beliefs down your throat. what makes your opinion any more justified than mine? i was merely stating how i feel about abortion, just as you were. and just for the record, when i say that abortion is lazy, evil, etc... that's not saying you're an evil person, or your mother in this case. it's merely saying that it's an evil deed. i don't believe that there is a whole lot of difference from one evil deed to another. they all earn the same penalty in the end. i'm not perfect, and that's not at all what i'm trying to get you to perceive about me. i'm not arrogant or ignorant or anything like that. i do evil deeds along with every other person on this earth. only ONE person has lived a sinless life and that's jesus christ. the bible says that we're all born of sin so there's no escape or excuse for me to use to justify myself as a "better" person, and that's not what i'm pushing. i think we both know that. i'd also like to point out that through all of my fiery opinionated posts, i am not angry with anyone... i'm appauled and disappointed in what our world has become, but i am very sympathizing to the fact that parenting is not an easy task and aborting a child is a big decision that most parents, i'm sure, are torn to make. i just find it very sickening to know that people are slaughtering children like that. if a teenager gets pregnant and they abort their baby because they don't want people to see they are pregnant, that is just sooo selfish! i know talking about it for me is much easier than actually following through with what i say, and preaching it on this forum is much easier than in person. i haven't had any friends or acquaintences abort a child that i can remember. i have, however, had friends that have gone out and got pregnant, but they were brave enough and loving enough to go through with giving birth and raising their children the way any pregnant woman should. i'm a guy, so that also puts me in a position in which i have less influence on the situation. well, i am trying as hard as i can not to reply as a man, but rather any christian who wants nothing more than the lord's commandments to be upheld and his name to be lifted on high. please, if you're going to continue debating this with me, do not insult me. state your opinion and call it a day. i won't insult you back now, but what's the point? in conclusion, i apologize again for provoking insults from you and others, and i will attempt to avoid it in the future. i will also try to be more empathetic and i ask you to be as well.
god bless,
snoop

Excuse me for having an opinion. I honestly don't care about whatever you're trying to preach to me. My mother made a choice about her life and didn't let some omniscent being do everything for her. Thank you for calling me lazy, evil, etc. I may be lazy and evil but who the hell are you to tell me so. A famous phrase come to mind whenever bible beaters shove their beliefs down my throat: "Only God can Judge Me". Hmm...any of that ring a bell? I knew I shouldn't have posted an honest opinion on here because the right wingers would attack me but I'm actually quiet happy you're condemning me...It's not the first time this has happened.

ok... free2... first off, i'd like to say that abortion is an excuse. it's a sign of laziness or disregard for human life. an abortion is wrong. an abortion is evil. no, that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to hell because you support it. you said that you're tired of closed-minded people... well who do you think is the closed-minded one? you support abortion right? well, it's an excuse, a short-cut, a murder, a violation of god's commandment. why should the mother have the choice to end a life? why?! give me one valid reason... and don't you dare say that if the mother could be harmed by the birth, or the mother doesn't want the baby, or the baby might have some sort of handicap, that is a good reason. the fact of the matter is that abortion is murder. it is but should not remain legal. giving someone the right to abort a child is unamerican, unconstitutional, ridiculously evil! so in conclusion, i say that i am becoming very tired of murderers and delusional hypocrites who think that the slaughtering of children should be a legal choice with no real consequence. may the holy spirit convict you to believe otherwise!
god bless,
snoops

abortion shouldn't be used as birth control, and I think that there should be limits, but it is and should stay perfectly legal. Outlawing abortion is interfering with a woman's right to make choices about her own body. Not being allowed to get an abortion is unamerican, uncosntitiutional, and just not right. Until the president gets an unwanted pregnancy, he shouldn't be allowed to condemn abortions and abortion supporters.

Abortion is wrong! Call me a Christian, which I am, but God wouldn't have given that person a baby if it weren't meant to be. God had that baby's whole life planned out. By getting an abortion, that mother just broke 1 of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Commandment 8- Thou shalt not kill.
They also just committed murder. I think that just because that person screwed up, that they have no right to screw up that childs life too.
They had their chance at life, now it's the baby's turn. That's my theory.

Yours truly,
CCheergirl102

I don't think abortion is wrong at all. I think that if the woman feels this baby isn't right in her life at the moment...she can make her own decision on whether to keep it or not. My mother had an abortion when I was about seven years old. My biological father had just left and mom met another man...one thing led to another and lo and behold she was pregnant and the man was gone. I'd like to say I was well off as a child but guess what I wasn't. If my mother had had the child, our finacial situation would have been to say the least limited. If my mother had had the child, she could be dead right now, I could be dead right now. I know alot of people will disagree with me but when my mother told me I totally supported her. My mom had an abortion, is she gonna go to "hell" or wherever, I support abortion am I going to "hell"? Honestly, I don't care what you think, I'm just tired of closeminded people

Much love and all that schtick
Rachel