Thanks for bringing up the good point, Shiara, that any statistics about rape are inaccurate, as they can only look at situations in which the rapist was busted. Because rape causes the victims to fear the offender to the point that the victim does not turn the offender in, I would guess, but would not know for sure, that statistics can only reflect a minority of all rapes.

pregnancies from rape are not so rare! i know a few individuals that have became pregnant as a result of rape but they never prosecuted the rapist nor did they get abortions so i suppose statistically they are rare

Matthew 7:1-5

JUDGE not that ye be judges. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou HYPOCRITE, 1st cast out the beam of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother

Translated version:
Do not judge or you to will be judged. For the same way judge others you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured on you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in you brothers eye, and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye. How can you say to your borther let me take the speck out you eye when all the time there is a plank in you own eye. You hypocrite 1st take the plank out of you own eye and then you wil see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye.

In others words:
he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.
I know your not perfect so what gives you the right to judge others. All sins in gods eyes are the same. So don't make it seem like you some perfect christain cause no one is.

a fetus is a parasite to me...abortions are a females right (de ja vou anyone?) and thats final, they will never be outlawed, so if you dont like them fine, dont try to take that right away

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Rapes resulting in pregnancy are extremely rare.

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I'm glad to know that rapists care enough about their victims to use a condom.

In my opinion, fetuses are not exactly humans, but more like potential humans. When you start considering the lives of potential humans, things get into a mess. When a human that could have been is never born, an actual living, breathing human does not die a painful death.

I am hoping that y'all understand that women who want an abortion don't do it because babies are smally and no fun to take care of. Thay do it because they are not ready to take care of one yet - they don't have the money, so the baby would have to live a much more horrible life than if it was born later.

The only thing that I have heard so far about fetuses that makes them more human is that they are sensative to pain. In my mind, this makes them morrally equivalent to a single-celled animal.

We all know that killing babies is wrong. The question is whether or not a fetus can be considered a baby. So pro-lifers, please don't accuse prochoice people of thinking that killing babies is OK. We don't.

I would like to see more reasons why fetuses are living, thinking babies. I will not veiw the proof cynically, but will try to see it objectively, that I may learn more.

Oh, and DrStrangeLove, are you male?

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Irrelevent. The person on life support relies on the hostpital to live and recover. That doesn't give the hospital's board of trustees the right to kill them to save money and effort.

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The hospitals job is to help the patient. My job isn't to risk my life for a bunch of cells that could be a baby. In some cases, a hospital cuts the life support if they don't think the patient will make it, just like I should be able to.

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An appendix (A specialized organ with your genetic code, just a chunk of flesh) is not a fetus (an individual human identity, capable of growing into a fully formed person). Also, the infection will kill you evetually if gone unchecked. The fetus, in the vast majority of cases, will not.

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Both can cause extreme pain if not taken out. Not to say a baby always causes pain- it can cause great joy when wanted.

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If a newborn is delivered with a commuted disease, we don't kill it out of mercy, that is infanticide.

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I know I wouldn't want to bring a child into the world only to suffer.

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Ceasarian section. Medical science has advanced to the point that pregnancies, with proper pre-natal care, almost never result in the death of the mother.

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Almost.

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Sticky situation and most often the one we get trapped on. Rapes resulting in pregnancy are extremely rare. But those that do are no justification for the death of the fetus. There are various solutions to this, but if we went into them we'd inevitabely get well off topic.

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Rare, but it happens. A woman who was raped shouldn't be forced to carry a reminder of her rapist for nine months when she should be trying to get on with her life.

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If she's to old to have a baby then she wouldn't be pregnant. If you mean that the mother will be to old to see her child grow, first that is EXTREMELY rare. Second, adoption is always an answer, if she can't raise the child herself.

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A sixty year old woman can be phyically capable of having a child, yet that's not exactly the perfect age to give birth.

As for adoption? Hoped you'd mention that. You think abortion is immoral/ I think adoption is immoral. Adoption is a great thing- I might want to adopt myself. But there's so many kids waiting to be adopted out there, that it's a pity to keep bringing more and more unwanted babies into the world and riding their chances of finding a home.

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To raise the child? Adoption, or work. Welfare and social security provide living sums of money.

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Adoption-above. Work? You do realize how many people are living in poverty? They work, but don't get enough money. Or can't find a job. Unless you want the mother to sell her body?

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Should we keep something which is wrong and damaging legal simply because people will inevitably do it? The answer I think, is obviously no.

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Damaging to who? A part of me, which I could make happen again when I'm ready? How can you think a unch of cells has more rights than a living baby?

from http://www.lifetimeadoption.com/for_adoptive_families/children.html

Birth Mother's Age: 36
Birth Mother Substance Usage: Light to moderate alcohol first trimester, cigarettes
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Children's Ages : 5,4, and 2 years old
State: CA
Children's Sex: Boys
Birth Father: Known
Medical Insurance: Unknown
Birth Mother Substance Usage: Unknown
Additional Information: This birthmother is seeking a married couple who is ready to open their home to three young boys, with the oldest boy having some behavioral problems

Out of millions.

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the fetus is living inside my body. It couldn't live without living off me.

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Irrelevent. The person on life support relies on the hostpital to live and recover. That doesn't give the hospital's board of trustees the right to kill them to save money and effort.

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If I have an infection in my appendix I can take it out; so I should be able to take out the fetus.

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An appendix (A specialized organ with your genetic code, just a chunk of flesh) is not a fetus (an individual human identity, capable of growing into a fully formed person). Also, the infection will kill you evetually if gone unchecked. The fetus, in the vast majority of cases, will not.

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what if the mother had a disease that would be passed on to the baby?

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If a newborn is delivered with a commuted disease, we don't kill it out of mercy, that is infanticide.

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Or she'll die during childbirth?

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Ceasarian section. Medical science has advanced to the point that pregnancies, with proper pre-natal care, almost never result in the death of the mother.

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she used drugs before knowing shje was pregnant, which damaged the baby?

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This is the same as a commuted disease. Read above.

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What if she was raped?

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Sticky situation and most often the one we get trapped on. Rapes resulting in pregnancy are extremely rare. But those that do are no justification for the death of the fetus. There are various solutions to this, but if we went into them we'd inevitabely get well off topic.

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If she's too old to have a baby?

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If she's to old to have a baby then she wouldn't be pregnant. If you mean that the mother will be to old to see her child grow, first that is EXTREMELY rare. Second, adoption is always an answer, if she can't raise the child herself.

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Or doesn't have enough money?

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To raise the child? Adoption, or work. Welfare and social security provide living sums of money.

Yes abortion is wrong in all of these cases. And I know that abortion will still happen if it is outlawed. But people still shoot heroin, and heroin is banned. Should we keep something which is wrong and damaging legal simply because people will inevitably do it? The answer I think, is obviously no.

DrStrangelove- the fetus is living inside my body. It couldn't live without living off me. If I have an infection in my appendix I can take it out; so I should be able to take out the fetus.

what if the mother had a disease that would be passed on to the baby? Or she'll die during childbirth? she used drugs before knowing shje was pregnant, which damaged the baby? What if she was raped? If she's too old to have a baby? Or doesn't have enough money? Is abortion still wrong is all those cases?

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But society does. To a point of course. And although some may diagree, our governemnt is still somewhat a refelction of what our society accepts and allows. If government has no right to regulate morality, then why have laws at all?

labels: Consider this- you say it should be your diesicion, but what about the entity living inside of you. It is not part of your body no matter how you look at it. You may not see it as a person, but it is a living human entity, a complete genetic code, it's so much raw human potential. I feel that abortion is akin to murder at any stage because, although the embyonic human hasn't formed phyiscally, it is a seperate and absolutely unique person waiting to be released into this world.

What difference is there really between killing a zygote and euthanizing a newborn other than the fact that the newborn can see, breath, and feel pain? Because after you think about it, these few physical things mean very little.

If put in that position (thank God in gay ), I would not have an abortion. But that should be my choice to make, not that of the government. Instead of condemning young women who have abortions, why not work to inform people of safe sex and contraception? You'll get a lot more done to stop abortions by volunteering at the Planned Parenthood than by picketing in front of it.

oh my GOD!!! how many times will i have to argue this god damn ****ing topic every single time i see it....abortion is a females right...even if it is illegial women will still have them...to y ou they are alive....to alot of other people they are just a parasite that will do nothing but ruin your life....let women have their abortions, its none of your busness...if your against it then fine, dont rob the rest of us of the right

I feel that when a girl has an abortion it is just like murder, but not to the extreme. I mean the child is alive just not conceived. There is no reason why a gurl can't have an abortion and there is no reason why they should. It is just and act of the situation they are in. For example, if it just isn't the right time for you to have a baby go ahead have an abortion of don't have one. If it is the perfect time and every thing is great, then don't have an abortion or do. I mean there is no right way to handle the situation of abortion. It's all just judgement because ABORTION is what I call an open discussion. There is no wrong answer and no right answer.

whatever....

What you think doesn't matter... the government has no right to regulate morality.

abrotions wrong no way around it ur killing a life