Lately, there has been a lot of talk on the boards about homosexuality. Is is genetic? Is is a choice? The usual.

Anyways, I was wondering about "gaydar". Why is that we are able to guess (and often guess correctly) a person's sexuality before speaking to them? Why is that lesbians are usually larger women with deeper voices? Why is that many gay men talk and walk a certain way?

If homosexuality is really a choice, then why are there so many structural similarities between homosexuals? Is this just a coincidence.

I apologize if this topic offends anyone. It may be a little politically incorrect, but I think it's perfectly relevant.

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but nowhere do the Commandments or the Bible say, "Love those who wish to silence you."

Do you expect us to respect [love] you while you try to silence us?

I'd love to argue but I'm halting on this topic for now.

My iAXE just came in, and I'm bored with the liberals/gays who choose to hound me.

In civil terms, I'm letting go, but not in defeat. Besides, two minds mean nothing to me.

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Originally posted by clpo13:

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The low percentage is the fornicators, child rapists, beastial lovers, and every other sick type of sexual person out there. I probably should've mentioned that beforehand.

And I'm against the high percentage of married people, straight people, and every other sick type of person out there.

What now? You know, we can argue back and forth about what we think is wrong, but this is the kicker: you can't prove something like that. I mean, sex outside of marriage (who calls it fornication, anyways?) is commonly accepted, even among Christians (of the casual type, at least). Saying that's perverted is like saying drinking energy drinks is disgusting. Sure, you may think so, but a great deal of people are going to disagree with you. Can't call something like that truth if it's not.

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I have zero respect for the ACLU precisely becaue they tear down Christian monuments and snap crosses off war memorials while they let Muslims have footbaths.

Apples and oranges. As I thought I said before, things like war memorials need to be secular, since crosses most certainly aren't representing everyone who fought and died in the war the memorial stands for. Where's the Star of David? The Wiccan pentacle? Having a cross is unfair to non-Christians, which is why the ACLU is so fond of snapping them off. Same goes for government property. If you have the Ten Commandments in front of a courthouse, you'd better make room for other religions or take them all down.

Footbaths, on the other hand, are not preferential; they're allowed to be fair to Islam. Christians are allowed to do what they want (no matter how bizarre non-Christians might find the ritual), so why shouldn't Muslims? I mean, you can't seriously want it not allowed because you don't like step 2. I don't like people holding signs saying "Believe in Jesus or perish" on my college campus, but I'm not about to rip their signs up, am I?

You're the classic case of the Christian double standard. Christianity can't be touched, but damn those dirty genital-washing Muslims! Oh, and religious rituals in a public place? Not a problem. Don't know where you got the idea that was a violation of separating church and state.

*bows* Well said.

I said that I would post about the process called “wudu” earlier.

This is what the Muslim group, CAIR, recently wrote in a guide for American businesses that describes the wudu process. They are also pressuring companies to allow Muslim workers the time to perform these rituals as they need to. Needless to say, if they manage to succeed in doing so, which I highly doubt, the church-and-state rule will have to be overthrown, because this is a religious ritual in a public place.

So, here is what is written about the ablution, or wudu, process in CAIR’s pamphlet. The one they call “an Employer’s Guide to Islamic Religious practices.” Everything has been written verbatim, or you can just go to CAIR’s website and download the pamphlet.

“The Islamic purification ritual, known in Arabic as wudu, involves a ten-step-process, which includes:

1. Praising Allah while washing both hands up to the wrist three times, making sure that the water reaches between fingers and under rings.
2. Rinsing out the mouth thoroughly three times, using the right hand (the one not used for cleaning private parts) to bring the water to the mouth.
3. Snorting water into the nostrils from the right hand, three times, to cleanse them of demons that Muslims believe reside there, clearing the passages of any mucous using the left hand.
4. Washing off the tip of the nose with the left hand.
5. Washing the entire face three times from right ear to left ear.
6. Continuing to wash from forehead to throat.
7. Washing the right arm and then the left arm, three times, from the wrist up to the elbow, removing watches.
8. Moving wetted palms over the head from the top of the forehead to the back of the head.
9. Passing the wetted tips of the fingers into the grooves and holes of both ears, and also passing the wetted thumbs behind the ears and ear lobes.
10. Finally, washing both feet to the ankles starting with the right foot, including between the toes, the reciting: “Ash-hadu an la ilaha illal lahu wa ashhadu anna Muammadan ‘abduhu wa rasuluh” – meaning “There is no god but Allah and he has no partners, and Muhammad is his servant and messenger.”

Read over this. Did everyone get the part in step 2? Where they clean the privates with the left hand? Remember that the next time a Muslim shakes your hand with his left.

Now you understand why people do not want the footbaths installed.

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So no, you can't join and shut down "perverts", that's called a genocide.

Really? You must have missed my meaning of the word "perverted", or you wouldn't have said that.

The low percentage is the fornicators, child rapists, beastial lovers, and every other sick type of sexual person out there. I probably should've mentioned that beforehand.

For the record, just because I am Lutheran doesn't mean that must sit back and let people walk all over my beliefs and expect to be treated fairly in return. The Ten Commandments do say, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." but nowhere do the Commandments or the Bible say, "Love those who wish to silence you."

If you want me to respect you, do the same first. I have zero respect for the ACLU precisely becaue they tear down Christian monuments and snap crosses off war memorials while they let Muslims have footbaths. The ritual is called "wudu", a ten-step-washing process, for those of you who are wondering about the footbaths. I'll post it in a bit.

Many monuments built around Christianity have been around for decades. Now the ACLU comes in and tears them down? The liberals have indeed fought for separation of church-and-state for years, yet they hammer down Christians and side with Muslims? I don't think so.

My anger is well placed and I will voice it against these so-called lawyers in the ACLU. They do not stand for equality. And you know what? They never have.

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Originally posted by Greenleaf771:
It would be hard for America to join as one when the ACLU is still out there. And all its supporters. And all those people with any bit of sympathy and understanding in their hearts whatsoever.

Gay marriage isn't just about politics. Marriage implies there is some kind of mutual love going on. And that's exactly what it's about. Love. Not your perverted ideas of how 90% of America will stomp out %10. Next thing you know we'll have racial cleansing. . .

I completely agree. Gay marriage isn't about politics. I read an essay from a psychologist who said flat out that he believes that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed, but he perfectly accepts homosexuality is a reality in our world today and is by no matter disgusting or wrong. He just believes strongly in the definition of marriage. I don't know if I agree with his stance on gay marriage, but the way he presented his ideas and how he was capable of supporting them made me respect his opinion. People who don't put actual support in their arguments about homosexuality besides calling them disgusting and "just wrong" don't win any respect from me.

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More power to you, ACLU. Just keep driving towards the end of your cliff. Maybe the landing won't be so hard, the landing where we as one America join and shut down the perverts, along with you.

It would be hard for America to join as one when the ACLU is still out there. And all its supporters. And all those people with any bit of sympathy and understanding in their hearts whatsoever.

Gay marriage isn't just about politics. Marriage implies there is some kind of mutual love going on. And that's exactly what it's about. Love. Not your perverted ideas of how 90% of America will stomp out %10. Next thing you know we'll have racial cleansing. . .

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Originally posted by SilverWerewolf:

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I saw this lady today and I just knew she was straight. It made me so sick I couldn't even look at her. I mean, imagine her being in bed with a MAN. What kind of twisted perversion is that? It made me shudder.

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Even if homosexuals only made up 0.00156% (which is definitely an underestimation), they're entitled to live just as freely as you. This is America, land of the free, and last time I checked, loving someone isn't illegal, so they're entitled to the same rights as us. So no, you can't join and shut down "perverts", that's called a genocide.

And if religion is your reasoning for disagreeing with homosexuality, shouldn't you want to help people instead of wishing to "shut them down"?

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I saw this lady today and I just knew she was straight. It made me so sick I couldn't even look at her. I mean, imagine her being in bed with a MAN. What kind of twisted perversion is that? It made me shudder.

It's funny when you think about something like this.



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It is so easy to tell a poof and a dyke, so of course there is 'gaydar'! (poof and dyke are OK, right?)

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Originally posted by Arabella:
homosexuality is choice.
it hasn't been proven at all that it is genetic as DR. DREW said.

1. It hasn't been proven that homosexuality is a choice, either.
2. While it's true that homosexuality can't be 100% genetic and that society will inevitably influence sexuality (and perhaps sexual preference) to some degree, it's worth noting that numerous studies have found physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. This doesn't necessarily suggest that homosexuality is a fate you're assigned at birth, but it does suggest that people of different sexual orientations don't wake up every morning and decide who they'll be attracted to that day.
3. As I must say whenever I get into a discussion about the origins of homosexuality, it doesn't matter.

homosexuality is choice.
it hasn't been proven at all that it is genetic as DR. DREW said.
"Gaydar" is typically a persons perspective of how a person acts.
EXAMPLE: there is this guy at my school, he always act girly, has a girly voice, flips his head and hands as if he had the attitude of a teenage girl. i personally thought he was "gay", but he date girls.
yeah, i don't know for sure if he's gay or not. i've been told he just messes around...

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Originally posted by clpo13:
I saw this lady today and I just knew she was straight. It made me so sick I couldn't even look at her. I mean, imagine her being in bed with a MAN. What kind of twisted perversion is that? It made me shudder.

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Haha, I wonder if that's what some asexuals think. Hm, what would you call a small-minded asexual? Heterohomophobic?

I saw this lady today and I just knew she was straight. It made me so sick I couldn't even look at her. I mean, imagine her being in bed with a MAN. What kind of twisted perversion is that? It made me shudder.

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Originally posted by SilverWerewolf:
First, gay choice is learned.

I was raised in a Christian household. No one told me what was good or bad about sex until I was thirteen. Thankfully, from 1986 to 1999, there was very little hint to warrant me to want a male partner, if I even wanted one back then.

When my folks told me about homosexuality for the first time, it made me wonder. What kind of pleasure can possibly come from that?

The 'gaydar', *laughs*, is something I've drilled into my observation of anyone I meet. Granted, most people I know, work, school, and elsewhere, are not homosexual, but I know one when I see one.

I'll stop there. I've made my point.

If you want to live a great life, learn to appreciate your own body.

Being gay is not a choice. If so, then I'm sure people would be SO eager to choose a lifestyle where small-minded people could degrade them every chance they got.

You can "identify" lesbians? Who's to say this woman wasn't poppin' steroids? It would increase her testosterone level and lower her voice. Create masculine features, but for all you know she might be Body Building Betty with a husband at home. Some women also just have naturally high testosterone levels, but by no means does it make them automatically gay.

My friend is gay and in no way is she masculine. Long blonde hair, loves to tan and shop, get manicures, and while she's at it, she has a girlfriend to date. Does she look like a man? No. Does she sound like a man? Definitely not, in fact she get's so high pitched when she's excited that I have to shut her up.

You may indeed be able to identify a trend among some homosexuals ("butch" lesbians or "flamey" men), but I can guarantee you that there are gays or lesbians walking right under your nose and you don't even know it.

I pity you. Your need to label and make things black and white must be traumatic to your brain.

Everyone stereotypes. But it's how you apply it that makes you seem intelligent or just idiotic and small-minded. Judgement? THAT'S a choice. Homosexuality isn't.

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Yes, learn to appreciate your body. LOVE with it in the way you see fit (as long as its not with dead things or children).

Obviously, people can sometimes tell when someone is gay. I mean, someone doesn't have to look/sound/act "gay" to be GLB. In fact, I only know three stereotypically gay acting kids at my school, and one of them is a close friend of mine. The rest of the gay kids I know either act "straight" or I've only guessed at their sexuality.

Really, why is sexuality something to laugh about? The world works in weird ways.

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You are honestly disgusting.

I didn't even know what sex was until I was 13 and yet I am still gay. It was not I choice. As a matter of fact when I first learned of sexual intercourse I thought (to quote you)

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What kind of pleasure can possibly come from that?

First, gay choice is learned.

I was raised in a Christian household. No one told me what was good or bad about sex until I was thirteen. Thankfully, from 1986 to 1999, there was very little hint to warrant me to want a male partner, if I even wanted one back then.

When my folks told me about homosexuality for the first time, it made me wonder. What kind of pleasure can possibly come from that?

The 'gaydar', *laughs*, is something I've drilled into my observation of anyone I meet. Granted, most people I know, work, school, and elsewhere, are not homosexual, but I know one when I see one.

I'll stop there. I've made my point.

If you want to live a great life, learn to appreciate your own body.

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I repeat. Its like saying someone is retarded when they have a not so smart moment.