My bad, the Sikhs are good men.

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a guy with a turbin, he must be a terrorist... run away!!!!!!!

The sheiks are good men, they are not guilty of evil, and thats unjustifyable prejudice.

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You get your facts about Muslims from a site that states on every page that you're in a "very old war" with Muslims?

No, but it is one of the good sites. Muslims ARE immigrating en masse into Europe, they DO refuse to integrate into the native cultures, and they DO attack the natives. The natives do not defend themselves because it is 'racist'. This is the reality my friend, but feel free to believe whatever illusions you like. With open-borders, one does not first need to invade with an army to allow ones people to populate a land.

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But you failed to respond to it. See, mockery only works when its used to answer a statement at the same time as making fun of it. You still have yet to prove why it doesn't matter that the majority of Muslims don't rape people.

I didn't think it was nesesary. You are saying that unless a group has a majority of do bad-ers, its wrong to criticise them.
IF (hypothetical!) China was to invade somewhere, less then 1% of its population would be needed for a large army. Therefore 1% of the population (the goverment and its army) is to blame for the war. Therefore the people of the invading countries should not speak ill of the chinese, despite them killing and raping their people. Its a nice dillusion, and one you will defend to the ends of the earth. But when nations of people come to believe in such insanity, their goners.
I don't have to debate that the sky is blue, it is futile debate if someone disagrees with it.
Time will convince you you're wrong, my ideological friend, not logic and sense. If your wife or daughter was gang raped by muslims, or your son killed by a muslim, you'd have a hard time holding back your natural male humanity.

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Islam is a religion, not a race and one of the fastest growing religions in the world thank you.

I suspect it is. Europeans are a dwindling, Muslims are a booming. I guess the Nazi attitude towards the Jews (who unlike the Muslims, have been nothing but peacefull) was not racial prejudice, as Judaism is just a religon. Ha! Didn't think of that!

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There are Norwegian Muslims

There are not, there are Native Norwegians and Muslims, but whatever.
I will remind you sir, that in the Muslim countries Christians are freely attacked, but in the Christian countries the Muslims are defended at all costs - Unconditional Tolerance.

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Islam doesn't cause crime

No, Muslims cause crime.

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hatred causes crime and that's a problem all of us on this planet need to start working on

Ah! You are a pacifist. I understand now. No fighting back or violence in self defence. Its much better for the Muslims to have their way than to stop them.

This will probably be my last post in this thread. I think Ive made my point the best I can. I personally don't believe anything can be done about the Muslims. They will win in the end, because while Muslims stand up for the interests of Muslims, Europeans stand up for the interests of Muslims as well. The European man doesn't want to stand up for himself anymore, and he will be lost like tears in the rain.

Ah! a guy with a turbin, he must be a terrorist... run away!!!!!!!

Okay I was watching the super bowl and whenever a player with the last name muhammad cought the ball or his name was said everybody bood... it was disgusting.

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French filmmaker Pierre Rehov states that: “A friend of mine is a retired chief of police, who used to be in charge of the security of a major city in the south of France. He reported to me that his men had to face an average of 10 rapes a week, 80% made by Muslim young men.

Is this where you got your statistic? If so, that is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. You get your facts about Muslims from a site that states on every page that you're in a "very old war" with Muslims? And not only is this blog BLATANTLY biased, it also reports what some guy heard his friend say once as fact? WTF? You must see how stupid that is. Get a real reference and then we'll talk.

Plus, you keep talking about Muslims as though they're foreigners. Islam is a religion, not a race and one of the fastest growing religions in the world thank you. There are Norwegian Muslims, Swedish Muslims, British Muslims, Australian Muslims, Thai Muslims... You cannot just blame every problem your country has on Muslims because Islam is a religion, a way of life and anyone is free to exercise it. Converting to Islam is becoming more and more popular as more people study it. I suggest you do the same and read up a bit on the religion from websites that don't try to incite hatred because here's the thing; Islam doesn't cause crime, hatred causes crime and that's a problem all of us on this planet need to start working on.
www.religioustolerance.com

I'll write more when I have time, promise
EDIT: OMG, I accidentally put a porn site as a link to a religious site. Glad I caught that in time to edit... o.o

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Did you miss the fairly large bit where I made a mockery of such a silly line of thought.

But you failed to respond to it. See, mockery only works when its used to answer a statement at the same time as making fun of it. You still have yet to prove why it doesn't matter that the majority of Muslims don't rape people.

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You are a very bad man. It is people like you who cannot be turned back from what they have become.

I take pride in thinking for myself, thank you. I can't be turned because I fail to see why I should change.

It seems I must repeat myself: punish rapists and troublemakers regardless of what race or religion they are. But don't blame all members of that race. I'm not contesting that (some) Muslims are to blame for bad things happening. But you seem to think that means all Muslims must be put under suspicion, which I can't help but question.

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Whites are to blame for the way things are now, but that doesn't mean we should be silly about the way things are now.

what are you getting at?

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Did you miss the bit where I said the majority of Muslims don't rape people

Did you miss the fairly large bit where I made a mockery of such a silly line of thought.

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I don't care if Muslims were involved in 100% of rapes in Sweden.

You are a very bad man. It is people like you who cannot be turned back from what they have become. Maybe you might be joyfull to see what the muslims are doing in Europe.
Sweden
Norway
And the rest of the articles on that site, which is reporting on what is going on whilst the media hide it.

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I bet you're glad about that aren't you? racist jerk.
it's pointless to argue with someone who is so fucking close minded and so fucking dumb

Do us a favour and read Orwells 1984. I am not going to put up with this new Race Doctrine, no matter how hard people scream thought-criminal at me. I am not going to let people suffer as a result of it. Open minded, I am.
Oh, and I don't live in America, so its demographics are unlikely to effect me. To finish what I said before (so I don't look so pro-white to you), the blacks situation is caused by the whites forcefully pulling them out of their homeland. Whites are to blame for the way things are now, but that doesn't mean we should be silly about the way things are now.

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Unfortunately you have not thought that one out very well.

Of course not. My first reply tends to be a sarcastic put-down. I get down to business once my target fails to realize I'm insulting them.

And that's sarcasm too. Don't get your panties in a twist.

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Dispite being a minory, 80% of swedish rapes are commited by muslim men.

I still don't see your point. Did you miss the bit where I said the majority of Muslims don't rape people? For all I know, there are 10 rapes in Sweden every year and 2 of them are done by Americans. Percentages mean nothing out of context. And statistics mean nothing at all without a source.

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But most aliens do not butcher and destroy! What prejudice! Leave them alone!

Ha, nice. Or not. Please, oh mighty one, point out to me where I said these Muslims should not be punished. Where did I say that? Oh my! I didn't. If they rape someone, punish them. But that's no reason to assume all Muslims are going to rape you when you turn your back.

Get my drift, bucko? Muslims who rape should be punished. But not all Muslims should be discriminated against because of the actions of a few. I don't care if Muslims were involved in 100% of rapes in Sweden. You punish the ones involved. No more, no less.

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America is 75% white

I bet you're glad about that aren't you? racist jerk.

it's pointless to argue with someone who is so fucking close minded and so fucking dumb.

Which bit? America is 75% white because whites settled in America a while back, pushed the natives of their land, and balooned in number.
1/3 of Black men commit crime because of their nature as a people, and because of their situation (which also depends on the first reason).

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This concept flipping majority/minority on its head is becoming well used. I.e. 1/3 of black men commit crime. The rebuttle is that most crime in America is conducted by white men. , so how is this possible? 75% of america is white.

I don't know if that is true or not and don't feel like looking it up, but supposing you were right, have you considered WHY that would be?

Unfortunately you have not thought that one out very well.

This concept flipping majority/minority on its head is becoming well used. I.e. 1/3 of black men commit crime. The rebuttle is that most crime in America is conducted by white men. , so how is this possible? 75% of america is white.

But your rebuttle has tryed to go on this line in a very misguided way. Dispite being a minority, 80% of swedish rapes are commited by muslim men. Read it again. Dispite being a minory, 80% of swedish rapes are commited by muslim men. Read it again. If fact they actually SAY that they SHOULD rape the swedish women, because they are blondes and therefore whores (but of course MOST muslims don't say these words).

I wonder what would happen if you people were in charge. Suppose aliens invade. They butcher people like cattle, and destroy eveything in they're wake.
"But most aliens do not butcher and destroy! What prejudice! Leave them alone!"
Suppose an enemy army invaded (like the muslims, only they are ordered), they kill and rape. "But most of this armys people do not rape and kill! Fight back? Defend ourselves? What a silly argument!"
When a dingo killed a child in Australia, did they say "99.9% of dingos have not killed a child! Don't be specist!". They brought in hunters.

Try not to be so foolish. You people think you are doing the right thing, and while you are doing that muslims are raping and killing infidels.

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80% of the rapes of conducted by muslim men against native women?

Oh wow! ...and are those Muslim men a majority? I think not.

Thus, with a single question, I have kicked the legs out from under your argument and laughed as it fell flat on its poorly formed face.

Note: before you get all LaRouchian on me and call me evil, let me assure you I am not defending these particular men. I am, however, defending the majority of Muslims who would not even dream of raping anyone. Got it? Great.

OK, just to put this one straight. Muslims are marginalised, discriminated against, and misinterpreted by the media. They are in generally nice peacefull people, open to the veiws of others. A few bad cookies make the rest of them look worse than they really are.

BULL S$#T! How many of you are aware that in Sweden, 80% of the rapes of conducted by muslim men against native women? This fact is of course suppressed by their media, because it inconvenietly clashes with the pinko governments ideology of equality and tolerance.

Would you like your daughter or wife to be raped by invaders? The muslim young men actually say that they are at war with the swedes. They assault them and rob them. They rape. The perform just the same as an invading army would. Any one critises them - they yell RACIST at the top of their lungs, effectively destroying they're critics.

And YOU people defend them. People who defend evil are guilty of evil themselves.

personally i think the media is what has really made a lot of people become 'islamaphobic'
9/11 has made islam really stand out and the media have taken thier chance to make muslims as a whole look bad - i was spat on when i was 12 for being a muslim - harsh eh? i mean, did i help plan the attack?!
some women who happen to be muslim are oppressed not because of thier muslim but because relegion is confused with tradition.

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My guess would be because they are forced to cover themselves by wearing veils and burkas and because they aren't allowed to drive or own businesses or any number of things that men can do and women can't.

But is this really oppression? Take the veils for instance. Many people (non-Muslims, that is) see them as a sign of oppression. Yet many Muslim women wear them willingly, using them to identify with their culture.

its the governments of 'muslim' nations that stop women from driving. and umm muslim women are allowed to own their own businesses by shariah. the first person to accept islam and first muslim woman Khadijah was a business woman. she supported prophet mohammad and was the bread winner of their household during their marriage, HE actaully worked for HER.

islam gave women rights during a time when in parts of the world, women were second class citizens.

Islam gave women rights to own their own property and recieve inheritence before anyone else, and keep their own money and spend it as they please, not having to give it to their parents or husbands

islam gave women a say in who they marry

according to islam, women and men are eqal before God. [..For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allâh of His Bounty. Surely, Allâh is Ever All­Knower of everything. (An-Nisa 4:32)]

The greatest scholar of islam, was a woman, Aisha, and women, along with men are urged to pursue knowledge.

Prophet Mohammad forbade domestic violence (in the verse in the quran that says, roughly, 'beat them when their bad', in islam, 'beating' means using something harmless against them, like yarn or blades of grass)

women are excused from several religious duties obligitory to men.

i can go on forever. but instead, i'll just gie you this link. http://sisoi.wordpress.com/2007/01/15/womens-liberation-through-islam/

ya.. lol
sorry about that again lol

Yeah, no problem. I just thought it odd that you quoted me and then went on a rant. Thanks for explaining though.

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Are you quite done? I was trying to defend you, but if you feel you're better suited to go at it alone, that's fine by me.

sorry if it seemed like i was going aganist you. i was adding on to that for OtHers- to explain what we muslims really are all about.

I think the media portrayl is awful! Muslim's are now seen as terrorists by the igronant mind! It is because the only stories reported in the news about muslims are negative, those of bombings, murders, terrorists etc.
It has affected us all. I for one wil admit that although I am not racist, if a shifty looking muslim with a backpack gets on a tube or bus, I give a werid look, and am intimidated. It's not just me, I see many people on the transport givng the ame weird looks!