this is a question towards ampmaster-
if osama bin ladin and all those other people who fight. or in all, the "terrorists" are bad and are going illegal actions- then what do you call of Israel's doings? boming all the muslims and christans? is that not terrorsim?
These "terrorists" know no better...they really don't.. I mean..imagine going home from school and a missile bombs up the street so end up having to leave your bus and walking home... and then you go home to see your house completely destroyed with your mother, father, brothers and sisters under all the rubble. Everything gone.. your home, your family.. by Israel. would you not feel for revenge? not angry? do u really expect this kid to leave the rest of his life normally? no.... unfortunely no.. and it becomes about getting revenge. They watch as first they loose their homes and families then their friends, and other people. These people look for no way- but violence. No way.
9/11 attacks aren't justified. Yet they are soooo small next to what Israel has done to palestine and lebanon. Its just really saaad.
No one can imagine having to loose everything you have at once. You'd go insane. With no one to go to..
People go straight to fighting.
Fighting for their land, their freedom, their family.....
They are fighting for what belongs to them.
9/11 attacks aren't justified but i believe when a kid throws a rock at an israeli solider whose taking down his home- he has all right to. This was his land, his house, his life.

Am i right or wrong ??

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Im palestinean. I dont blow myself up. Im not killnig people. Im innocent. Im a good person.
I've never hurt anyone in my life.
im palestinians.
you listen to the bull shit media.
thats sad...thats really sad
i feel sorry for you.
i really do

I direct your attention here:

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I've never said other Muslims and arabs don't suffer from terror attacks I would never say that. ever. that is almost insulting after brave Iraqi men and women died just going to vote or signing up to join their new military or become a police officer that seriously borders on an insult.

I never said every nation has such riots or nut jobs like Osama I know Islam is a failry stable religion but every religion has it's wackos still they're still burning American and Israeli flags in Iran and other nations

I know killing is a sin in both our religions but that doesn't stop the killing Osama has gotten the men who follow him to rationlize the violence to the point that their religion, the cause they say they fight for no longer matters

and some people have everything to gain thats why there is still war

Some of my very good friends are Muslim and I like to learn about religion I've read the Koran like you said and you know what? a side from Jesus being a prophet and anything added by Mohammed (who I think was a Prophet btw) it's the same thing I learned in sunday school we're all working off the same book. nut people twist words from the Crusaders of long ago to the Terroists of today, Evil men twist good and Holy words in to words of hate, of violence and of death this is their greatest crime not the attacks, not the murders, but the perversion of what both our faiths hold to be the word of God.

Just because I say that extremists within a people do such things doesn't mean I think the whole group does

Anyone who is the slightest bit intelligent knows that not all Palestineans or Muslims in general are eager to kill themselves for their beliefs.

The problem is that the majority of America is not in the least bit intelligent...

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Killing in Islam is a sin. no one wants war, people are just going to die. no one has anything to gain.

And that is TRUE. AMPHMASTER- this is for you. Im palestinean. Thats not true.....
Im palestinean. I dont blow myself up. Im not killnig people. Im innocent. Im a good person.
I've never hurt anyone in my life.
im palestinians.
you listen to the bull shit media.
thats sad...thats really sad
i feel sorry for you.
i really do

First of all, the media exagerates everything and only looks for the bad side of the world. What the media shows about Muslims in not true. It disappoints me since they show ONly the small amount of muslims who take Islam to the extreme- example, osama bin laden and the taliben. believe me, there are very few people who think that way that are muslims. Or a women standing behind a man? oh please, dont listen to that. I'm middle eastern. I've never seen that.Never. Here and the Middle east. Islam is peaceful and its just a whole big family.

Muslims are held reponsible since Osama told the whole world speeches of how all the muslims must unite to fight all the "disbelievers" (chrisitans, jews) and he talks of how he wants only muslims in the world. So many ignorant people who do not know Islam believe that all muslims think this way. Again, that is very few. And so in all, we are considered terrorists from his speeches.

I as a muslim women palestinean, have recieved so much discrimination and hatred- it hurts. It really does. But all those people who have discriminated me were all very hmm.. whats the word? Well they were very professional people and were very narrow minded. As well as, ignorant. They believe in the media- unfortunaly the media has helped create a lot of hatred in the U.S. They are very narrow minded. And I pity them.

Just like how the asians were discriminated against in America and it quit after the war- same thing will happen, no more discrimination and hatred against the Muslim/ Arab community. Or I hope.

Anymore questions contact me- 07skamal@gmail.com

Islam is defintely looked at in a negative light. Just a few days ago our country was freaking out about the 7 black "terrorists" they found in Miami. Some of these guys had been in jail where Islam can get to these young black men. They have no proof these men are terrorists or even Muslims, but they have tried to convince us of this. We are not supposed to to point at Muslims and say "They are terrorists get them out this country" and yet our Goverment is trying to scare us once again. I feel like it's our duty to be understanding and accepting. We can watch the news and listen to Bush, but until we know the facts behind everything and studied Islam we can't say they are terrorists and hate this country.

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turn to violence to show how religious they are.

And indeed this violence is against Shariah law.

In England, hate crimes commited against Muslims is rising faster than any other hate crime. This is, in part, to do with the rise of the British National Party, who basically want to ship all immigrants back to where they came from. The media takes a firm stance against the BNP, but are still spreading Islamaphobia, by misprepresenting events that happen.

Islam has never really been understood by the West for what it really stands for. People usually accept Islam as a religion of violence and hatred but they are clearly misunderstood. There are two types of Muslims: true law-abiding ones and other extremists. These extremists go beyond what their beliefs stand and turn to violence to show how religious they are. My opinion is that these extremists are the ones creating discrimination for all other Muslims. We should be accepted for what our values and beliefs are, not the actions of any extremists. Media and news don't help in any shape or form, so its up to the real Muslims to educate others about theyir beliefs.

Ialamophobia .
Think f it this way . they have this called Iftar every year in my city . Its a Muslm festival where they dish out really good foor . the festival is held at a very muslim predominated area . You go there . And as soon as you step in . You tell me how you feel . you get a total attitude Zap . Just really self conscious .
Thats islamophobia . not necassarily terrorism . Im like Muslime i have nothing against them at all . i have some really good muslim freinds . But i feel the zap too

I dont think i even need to go to Israel and places for terrorism thing . theres enough in India . Kashmir .
I think civiliation ultimately drives some sections to terrorism . I mean there has to be somene to blame and someone to bomb .

REVIVE!

this thread deserves another look I think

this proves only one thing Sphinx stupidty(on the part of the brits whent they created Israel after WW2 and on the Arabs who made it an instant priorty to kill all the Jews now living in the holy land) begets violence(the jews fighting back and conquering what is now the nation of Israel) begets violence(many attacks by the arab nations+bombings by the palestinians) begets (vioence Israel fighting back) and this continues to the point that to each side these atrocitys seem justified cause the other guy did it first

On the UN has it ever done anything useful? it is not a succesful orginization so don't be suprised that they can't handle a few dozen war criminals.

Ok found the info on the massacre. Not a week after 9/11 though, my memory was fuzzy:

During the brutal Israeli military campaign in the Palestinian territory of the West Bank during the period of March 29-April 13, 2002, the Israeli occupation forces committed a massacre in which hundreds of Palestinians were killed. Initial estimates were more than 500 children, women, and men. Israeli forces evacuated many of the corpses and buried them in Israel (in the numbered "enemy" cemetery) in an attempt to hide the actual number of victims in the refugee camp. The UN Security Council formed a Committee to investigate the massacre but the Israeli government refused to cooperate with the Committee unless it accepts Israeli conditions. Most important for Israel was that the Committee should grant immunity from self-incrimination for Israelis who would be investigated. Israel also demanded that the Committee should not offer recommendations or reach conclusions about the massacre. Upon that Israeli rejection of cooperation with the Committee, the UN Secretary-General, Kofi Anan, dissolved the Committee before starting its work. Thus, the Israeli war criminals were not held accountable for their actions.

And from another article with more accurate numbers:
“While the confirmed 30 victims were killed in one of the camp’s street, the total number of casualties is estimated to be at least 100. Many victims are buried under the rubble, while others have been torn to pieces by the exploding tank shells. Dozens of people have bled to death inside their homes and in front of their traumatised family members.

So I consider this a horrible act, but since its carried out by an army and not a militia it will never be labelled terrorism.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
hell it was a freakin sport for the palestinians for a while but they've quited down with the violence grown a brain cell and started talking instead of blowing themselves up.

I'm not trying to say that there is no such thing as terrorism, I'm saying you can't call Palestinians terrorists when they're fighting back in their own country. They don't want to be occupied, that's all there is to it. And you call me ignorant and you think that Palestinians blow themselves up for sport? People want to fight back and that's the only way they can, by strapping the explosives onto their own bodies. If you really want to talk terrorism you should look into the history of Ariel Sharon and then maybe you'll get a clue why Arabs are so anti-Israel. Like a week after 9/11 there was a huge massacre in one of the camps in palestine that the media barely covered due to all that was going on in the US. I'll look up the name and post back here. But the point is, how come Israel can do whatever they want with their hightech army and only the Palestinians actions are classified as 'terrorism'? Israel's army kills inoccent people every day and I hate reading about the kids killed in Palestine every day.

Rocks my Ass! unless carbombs and guys with C-4 strapped to them are considered "rocks"

Iraq had a fairly modern army with the best they could buy from Russia including somewhere around 5,000 tanks! and Iran has similer forces and AK-47s which I know all of the Insurgents have and if they don't have one they have an RPG! and if they have none of those they're using a morter or have a bomb strapped to them!

I've never said other Muslims and arabs don't suffer from terror attacks I would never say that. ever. that is almost insulting after brave Iraqi men and women died just going to vote or signing up to join their new military or become a police officer that seriously borders on an insult.

I never said every nation has such riots or nut jobs like Osama I know Islam is a failry stable religion but every religion has it's wackos still they're still burning American and Israeli flags in Iran and other nations

I know killing is a sin in both our religions but that doesn't stop the killing Osama has gotten the men who follow him to rationlize the violence to the point that their religion, the cause they say they fight for no longer matters

and some people have everything to gain thats why there is still war

Some of my very good friends are Muslim and I like to learn about religion I've read the Koran like you said and you know what? a side from Jesus being a prophet and anything added by Mohammed (who I think was a Prophet btw) it's the same thing I learned in sunday school we're all working off the same book. nut people twist words from the Crusaders of long ago to the Terroists of today, Evil men twist good and Holy words in to words of hate, of violence and of death this is their greatest crime not the attacks, not the murders, but the perversion of what both our faiths hold to be the word of God.

I don't know where u get ur information AMPMASTER but i actually live in a muslim country and no one is saying "death to americans and israelis" AND WHAT modern weapns are you talking about? Palestinians throw rocks! that's all they have. and these nations WERE occupied but all of them are still suffering, most muslim countries don't have money to go to war with the exceptions of saudia rabia and kuwait and emirates but u don't know anything. u think other muslims and arabs don't suffer from terrorrist attacks? well, we do! U have to understand religion is not the reason behind terrorrists like osama bin laden's actions. It's all politics, a fucker like him doesn't even care about religion. You are not supposed to harm anyone in Islam. Killing in Islam is a sin. no one wants war, people are just going to die. no one has anything to gain.

okay....
1. who are you talking to?
2. what's up with all the "U"s it make you seem very stupid
3. I'm Catholic
4. Yes Radical Muslims do want war the little chant they have "Death to Israel!, Death to America!" says it all
5. All these dozens of nations are occupied by who exactly?
6. No weapons Huh? so forget all the AK-47s, The RPGs, The Home Made Explosives that anyone can get and then actual nations have last I checked Tanks, Aircraft and all the other modern weapons of destruction that all other nations have

and so my shrimp like newbie I challenge you...to explain what the hell your trying to say!
oh well at least your not typing in 133T or whatever it's called

U obviously have no idea what u're saying. u r not a muslim, u read the koran but u don't understand what u're saying. just because u on't believe in christianity or islam does not give u the right to say all these things, u think muslims want war? all muslim countries have been occuppied, they have no weapons, nothing. war is not going to bring anything but more deaths to islamic countries who also have christians! U're an idiot!

I mock you for your ignorance Terroism is what the palestinians and insurgents (most of whom are not Iraqi but forgien Jihadists) are doing. Attacking anything with the inention to murder civilians is terroism and the insurgents have done that and hell it was a freakin sport for the palestinians for a while but they've quited down with the violence grown a brain cell and started talking instead of blowing themselves up.

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Allah had sex slaves and practiced pedofilia. This is peaceful? Some of you need to do some homework.

Ok.. wtf? Allah is the Arabic word for God - It is not "the Muslim God", it's just the word for God. Arab Christians use it to. You cannot make outrageous claims like that without proof. And you have no proof to that claim, so i'm not going to ask for it.

Terrorist is the word the media uses whenever an Arab does anything. Palestinians and Iraqis are terrorists for fighting occupation? That's bullshit, standing up for your country is not terrorism. People who bomb hotels and weddings, sure these are terrorists. There was a wedding in Afghanistan that was bombed by US Aircraft a while back; racial profiling probably wouldn't have caught that one.

The Kuran is the holy book of Islam but it was not written by Mohammad. It was sent down in the words of God...Mohammad was illiterate and he would report the message as told to him by Gabriel (Jabreel in Arabic, but it's the same angel) to his followers who would record it. Islam is not a religion of war, but of course there are sections in the Kuran and Hadith (the recordings of the life of the prophet Mohammad) related to and explaining war. Most religions were spread through war and there are detailed instructions in Islam about how to treat prisoners of war (really really well, btw).

Jihad doesn't just mean fighting in the name of Islam, it includes any act that you do with the purpose of raising Allah's name. It doesn't ahev to be violent.

I'm a Muslim woman and I would never consider myself oppresssed. I live in a pretty liberal country and while there are a couple of Arab countries that take Islam, add on a few levels and then make everyone comply to THEIR ideas (mainly Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan), in Islam women are equal to me and are not oppressed in any way shape or form.