the three names are Yahweh, Allah and God, Jehovah's witnesses is a cult masquerading as christians.

Yaweh, Allah and God all mean the samething and they are all speaking of the same God

Also I believe there is some languae derivation in the names of the various deities; Yaweh, Jehovah, Allah. Did someone already bring that into the debate?

There is only one real split in thinking which came about when the question of Aristotles Egg was asked, which is a bit complicated to explain.

The Qu'ran, Bible and the Torah are all the same book in the basics any way it's the extra books where people disagree and the diffrences between the three faiths show

Christains Have there new Testiment
Muslims have something Similar written by Mohammed
and the Jew who are still waiting for a savior have no extra book
but all three faiths and all three books have the same basics

No the media does not portray muslim as it really is. But we can't point our fingers only at the media. People are believing what the media is telling them and that's where the problem lies. Instead of developing "islamaphobia", we need to realize that ANY religion can harbor fanatics. It's the fanatical people that take a religion to the next level, manipulating it's core values - love, peace, and goodness - and turning it into something much more dangerous. It's these people that can give the rest of the religion a bad rap. That's what is happening with Islam.

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You can't take one part of the Qur'an and say things about Islam because you have to take other parts to take away the bad stuff.

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so it's a big contradiction like the Bible? So some people wrote some books to try and make it all look good? WHAT A CROCK! Sorry....but you can't change what Allah said unless you are saying he is a liar?

Did you know?

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What is in the center of Mecca around which they march with such dedication? What is behind the flexible walls of the massive tent, beyond which the eyes and feet of the unbelieving infidel are not permitted? It is no secret! The information has long been reported, documented and verified--for far longer than might be imagined!

What is the object in the center of Mecca, toward which Muslims all over the world bow down five times daily? Anyone ignorant of the facts might think there was some representative emblem of Allah. Some object such as the Ark of the Covenant, which used to reside in the Holiest Place inside the old Temple of Jerusalem and reverenced by Israelites. Instead, what is there, is a meteorite! A chunk of space rock that fell to earth in that same spot many many years before Mohammed was born. Arabian records indicate that due to the extraterrestrial nature of the rock, it was worshipped by desert nomads centuries before Mohammed came on the scene! But it was Mohammed who made it a required part of Islamic faith to so honor a mere, lifeless chunk of space debris!

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Did you also know Mohammed was paid with wealth and with sex to include the Nomads "GOD" in his teaching?


I do not like any man made revealed religions...just so we understand, it's not you, and it's not Christians...it's lies...man made lies I am against. And yes the scrolls were written years after Jesus supposidly dies and were adopted by King James...hence the King James Bible.

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Frankly I don't know where in the Bible it says that it is ok to kill in the name of the christian religion (i mean specificly, i know u could probably find some indirect examples where it seems to condone it).

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see some of my other posts, not only do I show God directly kill and order death in the Old Testament, I also show Jesus threaten and claim he was not here for peace, but with a sword. He also upholds all law of Old Testament and orders hate and death numerous times.

Did you know that the Bible was written (mostly) by this hut who was born way after Jesus (PBUH) died? And didn't even know who he was? Also I was reading earlier that some weirdo was saying that the First and last Surah have stuff about killing infidels. I know waht the Qur'an says having needing to read it every Ramadan. You can't take one part of the Qur'an and say things about Islam because you have to take other parts to take away the bad stuff. I do practice what I teach. Once in a while their religion is mentioned but only if some family member tells the media to. I have talked to other brothers and sisters who have been on the news and they never wanted to be noted that they were Muslim but the media went on anyways. Wadingo is right. If you were Islamaphobic then you should also be Buddhaphobic or shintophobic or jewphobic or something else. Purplelion84 or something like that. you are wrong SOME people hate Americans in the Middle east but talk to my family pne of my Uncles works for a paper not controlled by the government and he asked random people what they thought about America and most said they liked it.He had to contact other people to do the same in other countrys so I don't know where you are getting your sources unless its from the news. Don't beleive everything you see and hear.

BillyBarrio,
I think that they would be the same with or without the help of their religions. Religion just gives people an excuse, there is a lot of hatred of the Americans in the middle-east and it is a very tempting target, Bin Laden just found a couple thousand reasons in the Quran (sry if i misspelled it). Frankly I don't know where in the Bible it says that it is ok to kill in the name of the christian religion (i mean specificly, i know u could probably find some indirect examples where it seems to condone it). You could probably easily find a radical christian group that encourage the hate and killing of non christians, but you have to have the pre-disposition and the capacity on your own to actually seek out these groups.

ahh good point, but my point is, should we be teaching this to our kids? Bin Laden got the idea from somewhere...if he never heard the words of the Kur'an, would he still be who he is today? Would that Rudolph guy still have bombed abortion clinics if it wasn't in the name of Christian Identity??

I don't think so...personaly.

I say, being islamaphobic is plain stupid. How can you be so stupid?!.

AllahsJewel, you're right. BillyBarrio you're right as well. The Quran says good stuff and bad stuff. So does the bible. So if you wanna be islamaphobic you might as well be christianphobic. In the bible it also states, thanks to BillyBarrio, that people should be stoned if they work on sabbath day. The Quran says that they should kill all who are not Muslim. Both religions have things to be scared of. Both books are contradicting themselves. We should be scared of both religions.

So if you are islamaphobic, like I said, you are plain stupid. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Some Muslims are terrorists. Same thing goes for Christians. Not every Christian is a terrorist. Some Christians are terrorists. So please, think before you hate.

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Notice that on the news if say a person kills someone and they are Christian their religion is not mentioned. But, say that a Muslim kills someone their religion is mentioned.

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BULL!! See my post about mother killing kids, clearly states what religion she is...Christian and it was clearly stated Kathy Yates was also a Christian...I see you practice what you preach...

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially." (Surah 4:126-)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

"You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-) "isn't that nice"

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

Muhammad said, "The best deed of man is to believe in Allah and his apostle ... The second best deed is to participate in Jihad in Allah's cause" (Hadith, Volume 125.)
Jihad is a religious duty imposed by Muslim law for the spread of Islam ... Believers are under obligation to wage war against all unbelievers" (Encyclopedia Britannica.)

"Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. Seize them. Beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them" (Qur'an, Surah 9:5.)

"Fight them. Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace" (Qur'an, Surah 9:15.)

I have about 3,000 more....you know not all of us non-muslims are idiots, we can read. I'm sure the Christians in here would like a break from me if you would care to dispute these very words I have copied from your very book...

Ok lets get the facts strait here. Islam means submit and we submit our will to Allahs so as not to go to hell. There is nothing to fear about us we do nothing wrong. Terrorists and Dictators of some Middle Eastern countries are not Muslims they claim to be but we disown them because they follow none of the rules. Just because you rule a country does that make you greater than god? God made the rules for all of us to follow. I will copy exactly what it says in my Qur'an word for word the first and last verses.
Surah 1
Al- Fatiha or The Opening
1. In the name of Allah,Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise br to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds;
3. Most gracious most merciful;
4. Master of the day of Judgement.
5. You do we worship, and Your aid do we seek.
6. Show us the strait way.
7. The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who do not go astray.

Surah 114
An-Nas or Mankind
In the name of Allah most grasious most merciful
1. Say: I seek refuge with the Lord (and Cherisher) of mankind,
2. The King (or Ruler) of mankind,
3. The God (Allah)(or Judge)of Mankind, -
4. From the mischeif of the Whisperer (of evil), who withdraws (after his whisper), -
5. (The same) Who whispers into the hearts of mankind,-
6. Among Jinns and among men

Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say anything about Jihad or killing non beleivers. In fact we beleive that if you led a good enough life and you are not a beleiver you still can get into Paradise.
In fact the media has no right to exclude things such as the good Muslims. All they show are the bad Muslims. Notice that on the news if say a person kills someone and they are Christian their religion is not mentioned. But, say that a Muslim kills someone their religion is mentioned. I personally think it is not fair.
Because of people thretening other Muslims and because we get so much crap because of Iraq and 9/11, some of my sisters in America and around the world are afraid of wearing their Hijabs. My brothers are afraid to speak which religion they are. In fact one of my sisters who was a very close friend was taking care of her baby changing its diaper in the living room and she was shot right through the glass. Now how is this fair when she did nothing wrong? Or is the thing she did wrong was be a Muslim?
Us women are not oppressed the media only shows those who are. It does not however show those of us who aren't. In fact we can have jobs and do many things we can divorce, have our own money, and have jobs. In the eyes of Allah we are all equal. In fact our husbands aren't even supposed to beat us.
I don't hate the people who hate us I just think they have no knowledge of Islam and Muslims. Because Ignorance leads to fear and fear leads to hate and hate leads to more dead Muslim friends and family members.
Please know more about Islam and get in touch with Muslims before you can decide whether or not you want to hate them. Most would rather be your friend than have you hate them.
If you would like more info please contact me via e-mail at squeek@cybertravis.com
I leave you with the Arabic words for peace Salaam and may God protect you.

Ok lets get the facts strait here. Islam means submit and we submit our will to Allahs so as not to go to hell. There is nothing to fear about us we do nothing wrong. Terrorists and Dictators of some Middle Eastern countries are not Muslims they claim to be but we disown them because they follow none of the rules. Just because you rule a country does that make you greater than god? God made the rules for all of us to follow. I will copy exactly what it says in my Qur'an word for word the first and last verses.
Surah 1
Al- Fatiha or The Opening
1. In the name of Allah,Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise br to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds;
3. Most gracious most merciful;
4. Master of the day of Judgement.
5. You do we worship, and Your aid do we seek.
6. Show us the strait way.
7. The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who do not go astray.

Surah 114
An-Nas or Mankind
In the name of Allah most grasious most merciful
1. Say: I seek refuge with the Lord (and Cherisher) of mankind,
2. The King (or Ruler) of mankind,
3. The God (Allah)(or Judge)of Mankind, -
4. From the mischeif of the Whisperer (of evil), who withdraws (after his whisper), -
5. (The same) Who whispers into the hearts of mankind,-
6. Among Jinns and among men

Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say anything about Jihad or killing non beleivers. In fact we beleive that if you led a good enough life and you are not a beleiver you still can get into Paradise.

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Islam- Is a peaceful rieligon and it is not a cult. If u did u home work u could see that a lot of people who are muslim disagree with what has been going on as far as the war and everything.

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And who told you this? Have you read the Kur'an? Allah himself states that a peaceful being is a vile being. Allah further contuinues to explain killing weak peaceful muslims. Allah describes ways to take over the world and to live a life of lies. Never to tell truth to non-muslims. Allah proclaims war against all non-muslims until they believe, die or you can pay money for your life. Allah had sex slaves and practiced pedofilia. This is peaceful? Some of you need to do some homework.

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How can u call christianity and islam garbage?\

THat is rude and disrespectful. Why do u think they are garbage?

I dont think u should be trashing other people and thier rieligon like that .

Yes there may be a lot of sterotypes about these things but they are not all true .

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Easy, both of these religions are personaly reponisble for the deaths and tortures of hundreds of millions of people in only 2000 years. To this day because of these false teachings people are still enslaved and treated as subhuman. Both these books condone murder and violence, I'm surprised Christains don't hold a book burning since they like to buen innocent stuff like Harry Potter.

I also don't think you should trash others because of your religion, but then again, hate is all through the bible.

Sterotypes? More like facts, infact the most factual thing about holy books, is the pain and misery they preach, because people do it to eachother...everyday.

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have respect for others while u are speaking out , because if u dont no one is going to want to listen to u.

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which is why most people reject both of these religions. Lack of respect for human life.

I dont agree with profeminist2003.
How can u call christianity and islam garbage?\

THat is rude and disrespectful. Why do u think they are garbage?

I dont think u should be trashing other people and thier rieligon like that .

Yes there may be a lot of sterotypes about these things but they are not all true .

It is ok to voice your oppinion but have respect for others while u are speaking out , because if u dont no one is going to want to listen to u.

I respect the oppinons of joey (but only because everyone is entitled to an oppinon)
Islam- Is a peaceful rieligon and it is not a cult. If u did u home work u could see that a lot of people who are muslim disagree with what has been going on as far as the war and everything.
U need to put your self in thier shoes.
Some of the people in the middle east dont even know the whole story. they are just reacting to what they may see and have heard ( how would u feel if someone was envading your home walking around with guns?)
U also need to have respect for what others are saying because u are not perfect no one is perfect so loosen up a little and try to listen to what everyone has to .

I regard the Islamic religion just like I do the christian religion, we can't hold everyone who follows religions responsible for the things that other people have done in that religion's name. We would then have to blame every christian and every German for the actions of Hitler, and every Catholic responsible for the sins of the church in the past couple thousand years. I have friends who are Muslim, and they are outraged with the things that Bin Laden did, and that he did it in the name of the Islamic religion.

Islam isnt a breed of terrorists....some of the extremists might be terrorists, but thats true for any religion, race, and background!! People who think that are just lacking (severely) in facts!

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