OK PIE. U are completely WRONG!!!! Islam is not to kill others... it is to become better people. Muhammed was a very gentle, and calm person. I DONT KNOW WHAT U ARE THINKING. i am so appaulled at u. There is no such verse in the entire Qur'an. I am Muslim and you are the kind of people who have give us the terrible reputation that we dont deserve. U DISGUST ME!!!
Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. Sura 5:33 records what is done to infidels who resist Islam:
Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land. Muhammad also burned out eyes with hot irons (Hadith vol. 1, no. 234) and deprived people of water until they died (vol. 8, no. 796).
I am a Christian, so I don't know didly squat about the koran, but i do know that the Media needs some cleaning up.I know some Islamic people, and they are not to blame for 9-11 and i never did blame them. terrorism has nothing to do with religion, but with the person who causes it.Tagging Terror to Islam is as stupid and wrong as those people who kill someone and say "God told me to" and i refuse to sink to the belief many people have of Islam=Terror.I remeber when i met a muslim woman in the store when i went to get tomatoes.Another lady looked at me as if i was crazy going near and even talking to the Muslim one.I just don't get it! ok i've gotten on the soapbox again so i'll quit while i'm ahead.
quote: Gemini, I never said I read the first chapter of the Koran - go back and re-read what I said… The LAST VERSE of the FIRST chapter - it has something about the "infidel" nations.
Okay, Joey: I posted the FIRST chapter. Look at the last sentence. Where does it indicate anything about infidel nations? Why do you keep steering away from the question? If I’m missing some, just post the sentence you’re referring to.
Turns out there is another holy book for Islam. it is called the "Hadith". The Hadith is a record of the prophet Mohammed's life, actions, and deeds. It does mention a holy-war and infidels. I think that this is what Joey must have been refering to.
This book however is not what the people of Islam are instructed to live by. I think that this is why we see many Islamic fundamentalists claiming that they should start jihads, when in fact it is just a bad interpritation of their religion.
quote:If that's really what a bigot is, then I'm guilty as charged.
hahahahahahahaHA How about you to show that quote of on your campaign website.
quote: The LAST VERSE of the FIRST chapter - it has something about the "infidel" nations.
you must have missed geminiangels post of the first chapter. here it is again for you:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[1.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. [1.2] The Beneficent, the Merciful. [1.3] Master of the Day of Judgment. [1.4] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. [1.5] Keep us on the right path. [1.6] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.
Now i dont see anything there about infidels or violence but mabey i missed something.
All the references I could find to fighting and war basically say that if you do end up in a war with "non believers", then it tells them they will win no matter what with Allah at their back. That isnt very outrageous and certainly doesnt encourage fighting. Infact some of the parts even encourage peace in the face of war.
quote: [60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. [60.9] Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
Seems fair to me, if someone rages war against your religion i think you have the right to fight back.
Oh so Jews are okay...but screw everyone else, they're still tools of Satan. And this is different how?
Bigot is not a PC term. It has a very concrete meaning and application. A bigot is a person who regards his own faith and views as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. Certianly someone who calls all differing religious opinions "tools of Satan" fits this. You are a bigot.
The point is, however, that there is nothing in the Qua'ran that is any more forceful in its condemnation of unbelievers than can be found in many places in the Bible. The two books are often so similar that it's hard to distinguish them. For instance: which book says the Divine Inspiration has stopped and it will not resume except at the time of the Descent of Jesus - son of Mary and he (i.e. Jesus) will rule with justice according to Gods laws, during the last days of the world? Why to Holy Qua'ran of course... (Sahih-Al-Bukhari, Vol. 3, Hadîth No. 425)
Tell me where you received that information about this Muslim American soldier; I've read and heard (haven't researched) about him being ticked because we were about to bomb the hell out of Iraq...
...could just be propaganda.
Dante, it's no use arguing with you; a "bigot" is a PC term and you're still preaching that garbage, so it's just no use.
Of course, Jews are Gods People - they will KNOW Jesus Christ before the Second Coming - it's in the Bible; it's prophesied.
They WILL know the Truth; so to take my "tools of Satan" remark out of context and then apply it to Jews just shows how ridiculous you are.
Jews and Christians have differences of opinion, doctrine, etc. - you know that, I know that.
But the Jews are GODS people. The thing about Satan applies to ALL races/religions/people who do NOT believe in the LORD.
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quote: ...last verse of the first chapter...
Look that one up, then post it -- or I will.
Where it talks about the Infidel nations, gemini. Post it so we can all see what it says.
quote: Anyway, the recent case about the Muslim "American" soldier who blew up a military camp in the middle of the night shows EXACTLY why Muslims should be searched, screened, questioned and if insubordinate, taken to a holding tank
1. He was born and bred American
2. He threw the grenade because he was found to be insubordinate and had been told he was not going to be sent in to fight. (Fighting for his country that is.)
3. He had obtained the rank of Sargeant, meaning he was not a new recruit and was promoted multiple times for performance, behavior, telent etc. He was trusted with the command of US soldiers
4. His step-father also serves in the military. Meaning he was raised and lived in a very "American flag" home.
Therefore, there is no way or reason he would or should have been identified as anything other than a patriotic American serving his country. To use this to say all Muslims should be searched and especially those volunteering to serve in their nation's armed forced should be subject to hightened scrutiny is absurd.
Your fear and suspicion of all Muslims is astounding. You never cease to amaze. To stereotype him do to his converted religion based on the actions of a miniscule minority is bigotry and prejudice. This is what war does to men, not what a religion did to a man. Your crusade/shield of being not "PC" still does not give you the license to be a racist or bigot. It has nothing to do with forcing a belief onto you or drilling superficial "tolerance", is is as simple as a constitutional garuntee of equality and respect you should show to those who are fighting when you obviously won't. You feel like you're riding a high-horse but really it's just a gigantic ***.
"God forbids you not ... from dealing kindly and justly with them; for God loveth those who are just." (Quran, 60-8)
It is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year 634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.
Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves.
The Patriarch invited him to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, but he preferred to pray outside its gates, saying that if he accepted, later generations of Muslims might use his action as an excuse to turn it into a mosque. Above is the mosque built on the spot where Omar did pray.
On War:
Islam lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock.
If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)
