I'm not going to respond to any more of these posts until I have read through the Koran myself.

You people keep claiming that Islam is somehow about peace, YET YOU FAIL TO EVEN MENTION THAT THERE IS something in the Koran -- there HAS to be -- that gives these people "permission" to go around killing all Christians, Jews and non-Muslims.

You CANNOT keep burying this under the carpet.

Start posting the verses of the Koran that show Islam as being so peaceful and not violent towards Christians and Jews.

Back up these claims with verses.

Plenty of good muslims in the world. And it is the fastest growng religion (other than Mormon) in the United States.

The big question though, is what exactly do the fundamentalist muslims want? Are they all for bedlam and torturing and terrorist acts? They (that particular segment) seem to be more like what we in the U.S. would consider to be a cult - a group of people, religious or otherwise, whose edicts are based upon some highly irregular, questionable, nutcake sort of banal desire to rule over the person's religious beliefs rather than letting the person have their own beliefs.

good response, Dante. Just as Hitler could NOT be a christian because christians are peaceful and do not commit huge massacres on jews, the terrorists could NOT be muslims becuase muslims preach peace and to love your nieghbors and respect all other religions.

Terrorists are not muslims. They are not even EXTREME muslims. They are just people who need help.

Not all Muslims are terrorists and you don't have to be a terrorist to be a Muslim.

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Christians have Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ doesn't tell us to hate our enemies.

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So you hate your enemies without Jesus’ consent and you do it voluntarily? Makes sense.

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wow you two bicker like you're married

(gem. and joey)

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Humbug! I feel as if I might stab myself with a pen multiple times through the heart. But arguing has taken away all enthusiasm of me making a difference. And Joey is, well... Joey.
Atheist + Christian = living Hell (no pun intended) heh.

Well you people certainly have been busy!

I just like to comment on some of the points you made.

Firstly, the prophet Muhammad (A) did NOT wage wars to spread Islam. The word Islam itself means "Peace". The terroists out there killing innocnets really should pick up the Quran (Muslim holy book) and show us exactly where it says you can go around bombing civilians

These are the rules of war in Islam of "Jihad":
1-DO NOT INITIATE THE FIRST ATTACK
2- DO NOT HARM:
THE UNARMED
WOMEN AND CHILDREN (basically those not fighting)
THEIR PROPERTY AND CROPS
3- DO NOT DENY THEM FOOD OR WATER

Okay now tell me what the hell to these terroists think they're doing? Stupid ignorant people who have no idea what their relgion is about and go out killing people after it.

Now the Jihad which is dying for the sake of Islam is called the lesser Jihad and no way is terroism that, the Battle of Karbala was Jihad (go to www.al-islam.org to see what that tragedy was about). The bigger Jihad is the war you have against your selves, to make yourself a good person (basically gaining intergrity and good morals).

On Islamic dispute, this is how the Prophet (A) solved it and spread the message.

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He said to a non-beleiever, in order to solve who's relgion was right, to do the following:
"Bring yourselves, and we'll bring ourselves,
bring your women and we'll bring our women,
bring your chidren and we'll bring ours.
Let us sit together and pray that whoevers' faith is wrong let he damned by God."

Now muslims follow the teachings of the prophet (A) where did he say, "I'm gonna bomb you if you don't convert?"

Islam is against racism and decrimination. So where this Anti-American of Anti-Jew (Hazart Ali (A) worked peacefully with Jews by the way) comes from is anywhere but Islamic teachings. I'm guessing stupid wannabe scholors who think they're all relgious go out preaching their own doctrine and sadely people listen to it.

By the way there is no need for a muslim women to go out wraped in a tent. The Islamic dress code id ~Modesty~ and not to draw attention to yourselves, one of doing that is blending in.
The Tent dress code is just cultural. The only instance you have to cover your hair is whilst praying and that's beside the point.

Okay I've gone on to long, but keep posting people

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Someone please tell me what ethnic/religious background a majority of the world's terrorist attacks (beginning with the Lockerbie, Scotland hijacking) have been committed by?

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Where do you people GET this propaganda?

Terrorists are by no means Muslim, because true, love-filled Believers would NEVER support the massacre of innocent Jewish & American women, men and children.

You are completely deceived if you really believe that, Joey.

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(Hitler was a Christian by the way).

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Where do you people GET this propaganda?

Hitler was by no means a Christian, because true, love-filled Believers would NEVER support the massacre of innocent Jewish women, men and children.

You are completely deceived if you really believe that, bex.

Lucky? No, we don't have luck, I'm sorry.

Christians have Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ doesn't tell us to hate our enemies.

wow you two bicker like you're married

(gem. and joey)

Christianity is predominantly a western religion. The west is priveliged. You are unlikely to get a large group of desperate people in the west these days. Islam is an Eastern religion and the East is by and large much less priveliged. Also, the main conflict I mentioned, the Arab-Israeli conflict, is between Jews and Muslims (and the Jews are equalling them in daily atrocities).

ANY religion and any human being is suceptible to performing an evil act. Look at the bigger picture, instead of the events in the last 2 years. Given certain conditions the worst will be brought out in all of us. I truly believe this. The holocaust could have happened anywhere (Hitler was a Christian by the way). 9/11 could have been carried out by anyone. It is all in the circumstances of time, place, past, present. If people are driven enough they will use whatever reason, including their religion, whether it's Christianity, Islam or Judaism, as an excuse for anything they want to do. So stop putting yourself on a pedestal just because you're Christian - your religion is no more immune to corruption than anyone elses. So far, it's just got lucky.

Bex

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Even if someone LOOKS like they're Arabic, they're more at risk for being persecuted.

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Someone please tell me what ethnic/religious background a majority of the world's terrorist attacks (beginning with the Lockerbie, Scotland hijacking) have been committed by?

I rest my case.

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Not a daily occurence, I'm afraid. So maybe if I did hear of those events happening every single day, I would be up to date on current events

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Actually, crimes commited by Christians ARE a daily occurrance. It's just that Christians aren't profiled as much in America as much as Muslims are. Even if someone LOOKS like they're Arabic, they're more at risk for being persecuted. Most Muslims look Arabic and yah, some wear head coverings, but you can't really tell if someone is Christian or not, unless they wear a cross or something. My point is that you'll hear of Muslims committing more crimes than Christians because reporters/the media always makes it a point to identify the individual's religion. They don't do that with Christians.

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But Jesus didn't spread his message by continual war as Mohammed did.

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Where's your proof? That's false.

i didn't bother to read the posts below, just so you know. so pointless really.

love, ya'll.

L O V E.

stop killing each other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I see Christians blowing up abortion clinics (Eric R. Rudolph); Christians drowning their children (Andrea Yates); Christians beating their children (GA Church); Christian convicts stealing in the name of their god (Juliette Cotton);

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Not a daily occurence, I'm afraid. So maybe if I did hear of those events happening every single day, I would be up to date on current events.

I'll agree with you though; there are radicals in every religion and I've said it before I don't think all of Islam is like that.

But Jesus didn't spread his message by continual war as Mohammed did.

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I didn't hear of any Christian suicide bombers running around or any Christian schools breeding hate-filled terrorists and I sure as heck didn't see Christians plow into the twin towers

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Talk about being a complete recluse, then. For someone so up-to-date with current events with his journalism, I'm surprised you're so hmm.. unenlightened. I see Christians blowing up abortion clinics (Eric R. Rudolph); Christians drowning their children (Andrea Yates); Christians beating their children (GA Church); Christian convicts stealing in the name of their god (Juliette Cotton); Christians were said to have helped fund terrorists to get into the country (Canadian borders/fake IDs). Shall I go on?

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The entire "personal struggle" of Islam has been centered on wars and conflict; when Muhammed started it, he fought WARS to get the message out - have YOU not studied history? Obviously, not.

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So, I take it you failed history, too? There were many more wars when Jesus was living/fought in his name than Mohammad. Jesus was a hypocrite and was killed because he stole a horse (I have some thread on here explaining it), not because he was offending the Romans. And Mohammad publicly condemned the existing idolatrous local beliefs, and religious customs, which did not make him universally popular. Jesus did the same, but gained more followers.

You can't possibly say that Muslims believe in killing for their religion. Just as you may argue that REAL Christians wouldn't kill, REAL Muslims wouldn't kill. There are radicals in every religion.

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I do know about the Crusades, but can you tell me WHY they were fought? Who fought them? Where did they fight them?

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I sure can. The Christians started the Crusades in order to "take up the cross" in their quest to take back Jerusalem. They slaughtered many innocent women and children who were Muslim and Jewish in the name of their (and your) god. They even killed other Christians.

"The idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc. Of all these wars undertaken in the name of Christendom, the most important were the Eastern Crusades."

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look at all of the violence here. Not a smart comment, Joey.

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I'll admit, plenty of hypocrites to run around, but the last time I checked, I didn't hear of any Christian suicide bombers running around or any Christian schools breeding hate-filled terrorists and I sure as heck didn't see Christians plow into the twin towers.

Shall I go on?


The entire "personal struggle" of Islam has been centered on wars and conflict; when Muhammed started it, he fought WARS to get the message out - have YOU not studied history? Obviously, not.

I do know about the Crusades, but can you tell me WHY they were fought? Who fought them? Where did they fight them?

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The area also happens to be filled with MUSLIMS.

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The US is filled with Christians, too.. look at all of the violence here. Not a smart comment, Joey.

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If Islam is really in fact such a peaceful religion, then WHY are millions of Muslims so violent?

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Enlighten me for a second: why are millions of Christians so violent? I doubt you can adequately answer that question.

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This "jihad" doctrine has been used as an excuse for extremists to wage war on anyone non-Muslim.

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If you'd do some research instead of reading all of this media crap, you'd know that "jihad" simply means a personal struggle.

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If you don't believe this, then you're completely ignorant.

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So everyone who has different beliefs than you is ignorant? Another comment bursting with intellectual factuality.

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the religion itself was founded on war and it got its message through wars.

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Two words: PROVE IT.

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So what do you expect? The entire history of this Islam religion has been involved in wars and conflicts.

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Did you like, uhm.. completely phase out during History? Ever hear of the Crusades? Obviously not. Stop trying to glorify your religion by making others seem less than they are.

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the area they come from (the Middle-East) has had so much conflict in recent years.

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The area also happens to be filled with MUSLIMS.

If Islam is really in fact such a peaceful religion, then WHY are millions of Muslims so violent?

This "jihad" doctrine has been used as an excuse for extremists to wage war on anyone non-Muslim.

If you don't believe this, then you're completely ignorant.

I'm not saying many Muslims are NOT peaceful, but the religion itself was founded on war and it got its message through wars.

So what do you expect? The entire history of this Islam religion has been involved in wars and conflicts.

Muslims aren't the only race connected to terrorism. There's the IRA in Ireland, and in Palestine/Israel the Jews carried out acts of terrorism, and still do.

If Muslims are more prone to being terrorists it's because the area they come from (the Middle-East) has had so much conflict in recent years. This is what I don't understand about the war against terrorism - we don't seem to be thinking about what actually caused the terrorism. Making an earnest effort to treat the two sides in the Palestine/Israel conflict EQUALLY would be a big step, as that's causing huge amounts of bitterness in the Arab world.

I agree terrorists do evil things, and it's easy to say kill all the b*stards, but if we really want to stop terrorism we have to think about the motive and what we could do to take that motive away, because as long as there's that motive and bitterness anything we do is pointless.

Bex