Hi, I'm your daughter. You apparently have no recollection of birth, or anything at all.

I'm after your time, so you wouldn't recognize my name. Except when Amp told you who I was...

You are? I don't recognize your name...

I totally agree with Finn. I'm so so so excited you are back!!!

Ok. Are men and women the same biologically?
No. Both have strengths and weaknesses compared to the other. Men have more muscle mass, women have more efficient metabolisms, men have more tolerance for external pain, women have more tolerance for internal pain, etc. The brains are not identical either, in that different parts are activated in different situations.

Now, men and women can be equals in things such as academics, though societal pressures make this difficult. Physically speaking, men and women are generally suited to different things, but there are exceptions to every rule.

None of this is reason why men and women should be treated differently, of course - especially in situations such as jobs or sports. Anyone who can handle a task should be eligble for it.

Pandora, my rant wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the thread as a whole.

You used the words incorrectly, so did like everyone else. I'm not blaming anyone in particular. I'm just in general trying to get people to know the difference.

If you read any feminist book, or even article they will start out by first clearing that up. It's true that many don't use the terms properly. But that doesn't mean it's ok to be wrong.

I'm assuming your comment was directed at me.

This is what you said:

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Gender is the social aspects of a personality that define a person as feminine or masculine where as sex is the physical parts.

And here's mine:

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I just feel like their are times when women can't be socially equal to men and vice versa.

I pretty much said the same thing you did. Gender is the social aspects right? Well women and men can't be equal in that sense. Women can't burp, scratch themseleves, curse, etc. in public. We can. but that's not considered ladylike. Guys are supposed to be masculine, not cry, or show too much emotion unless it's aggression. So from what I'm seeing even if you do use sex and gender it's around the same thing. One of the arguments is sex in general and how that makes us different. On forms that you have to fill out the do have a place for SEX so I guess we need to change those too.

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2. We live in a chauvinistic, militaristic society. That's just tru. The thing to discuss isn't wether or not it's true, but what to do about it.

Well we are since we are discussing it and educating people about it. If you have any ideas please share insted of trying to call people out.

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Sorry, but seriously, before you get in to these convos atleast read an introduction to feminism!!! It doesn't have to be long. But at the very least use sex and gender properly.

Maybe you should take your own advice and read the posts first. Hypocrisy is a bitch.

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2. We live in a chauvinistic, militaristic society. That's just tru. The thing to discuss isn't wether or not it's true, but what to do about it.

and any chick who wnats to join up is more than welcome to come kick some tail with the rest of us!

As a very well read feminist conversations like this really annoy me.

1. You are all conflating sex and gender. Gender is the social aspects of a personality that define a person as feminine or masculine where as sex is the physical parts. A homosexual man would for example have a feminine gender, but have a masculine sex.

2. We live in a chauvinistic, militaristic society. That's just tru. The thing to discuss isn't wether or not it's true, but what to do about it.

Sorry, but seriously, before you get in to these convos atleast read an introduction to feminism!!! It doesn't have to be long. But at the very least use sex and gender properly.

I don't believe that women are equal socially. Just the differences are too much to even try to discuss. I do believe that neither gender should be treated better than the other. I just feel like their are times when women can't be socially equal to men and vice versa. I think women in this country gets treated pretty well. I guess it also depends on your race, economic standing, political standing, etc.

Sorry, I left my term a little broad. What I had meant to imply was the woman ARE equal to men, but in terms of society. By equality in my statement I meant that neither gender is less or more valuable or should be treated as such.

Men and woman are very different in many aspects, and in those cases the balance factor leans to each side in different cases. However, these differences do not mean men or women should be treated as the general superior.

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What about women that don't believe we are equal does that make me a sexist against women?

No. You're only sexist if you believe one gender is above another.

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Of course women are equal to men! Sadly however,it isn't seen this way by everyone.

Women and men are not equal in any way shape or form. I don't want to be equal to a man at least physically, emotionally, etc. That's what makes me a woman. Just because you don't believe that doesn't make you a sexist. What about women that don't believe we are equal does that make me a sexist against women?

Exactly what I was going to say

Women and men are not equal. Never have been, never will be. That's a simple fact of life.

Of course, before I get skewered as being some chauvinistic bastard, let me explain that women and men should have the same opportunities and rights. But they are not and will never be equal. Women are generally skilled at different things than men. Men often have different skills than women. Physically, the two genders are very, very different. Our bodies are different, our brains are different. Women and men are built for different things.

Everyone deserves an equal opportunity to succeed, but we are not all equal. Down that road lies many, many problems.

Of course women are equal to men! Sadly however,it isn't seen this way by everyone.

No matter how much a country or group claims they aren't sexist, you can still find traces of it everywhere. Just look at the media for example! More then half of music videos feature scarcely dressed women portraying an idea of luxury! This is not what feminism is about!

But even as people continue to fight for women's rights, we have to keep in mind that while we want women better treated, we shouldn't have them better treated then men. Could it be that if we're not careful, soon women will have more oppurtunities then men? I've already seen this in society where a lesser qualified women may get a job simply because the employer belives moreso in women's right then mens.

It is a precarious issue, but I just hope it will end up all equal in the end. In the meantime, take a stand and show your belief of equality.

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wassup, wassup, wassup from Flagstaff, Arizona dudes!
NorAz rocks!

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Originally posted by freedomordeath:
No one loves me...

Thats not ture, freedomordeath, I love ya.

Howdy from Frisco, Tx, Ya'll.

Uh. Calm down. I wasn't serious.

ok, ok, im sorry! bella123, i apologize, i thought that you were going after me. faerienite, i forgot that ICELAND said that.
*heaves big sigh*
now that thats over, ill simply say this:
men rule. women rule.
"ya dig?! "