preach!

-----"""But no, most womens rights activists are whining because they weren't good enough to get a job, and it's easier to say "I didn't get it because I don't have a penis" then "I didn't get it because I wasn't fit for the job."""---

That is an extreme generalization, and not true.


Man, WOMEN who give feminists a hard time annoy me almost more than men who do the same thing. You obviously don't know many true feminists if that's what you think of them. Feminist is not a synomym for crazy man-hater, and the feminists I know are also some of the most intelligent I know, very in tune to subtlety, detail. Personally, I don't believe we have reached a state of acceptable equality when nearly all political leaders of the earth are male. But, if you want to ignore that and say women are the ones guilty of sexism, go ahead. FYI, I am a guy, and also a feminist.

No one loves me...

Nice.

Claps for Amber3! I love you. Perfect rant!

By the way, the neighbor with the 2x4, was the guy convicted actually? If he was, I'll have a fit.

I'm a GIRL and I think that women deffinitly have equal RIGHTS to men. Now I'm sure that there are some women who have men infringe upon their rights, (really just a bigot or two in the wood pile) and I'm sure there are men who have thier rights infringed upon by women. I'm a girl and if I felt like I wasn't recieving proper treatment in the work place (or any place) I would stand up and fight for what was mine. But I don't run around complaining because my great-great-great-great Grandma couldn't vote. We shouldn't reap compensation for the bad treatment of women of the past, just as the men shouldn't have to pay for the actions of their ancestors. We need to just declare one another equal (gender, race, whatever) and stop treading around each other trying not to get sued. We should be allowed to create a womens channel, or a womens magazine (which men should be allowed to watch, read or participate in if they so choose to) and men should be able to do the same. Womens rights activists of today should be focusing on helping women who won't stand of for themselves whey they aren't treated with respect. Just as if there were mens rights activists (which I know is a plausible idea, seeing as I witnessed a domestic dispute about a year ago in which my neighbor hit her boyfriend with a 2x4, and despite the huge bruise on his shoulder, and the 2x4 in her hand, when the police arrived, he was immediatly cuffed, and she was comforted.) But no, most womens rights activists are whining because they weren't good enough to get a job, and it's easier to say "I didn't get it because I don't have a penis" then "I didn't get it because I wasn't fit for the job.

They're giving women a bad name. Thats not progression, thats regression.

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Originally posted by letzBloud:
heres the truth: men & women are equal in pretty much every way, & the sooner the world begins to realize that the better.

That's my boy! You're absolutely right. It's just insane how much women are whining and complaining over NON-EXISTANT things.

Seriously, yes, it's true that women and men have differences. After the right to hold any job, the right to vote, and the right to hold office, I think it was made.

If someone doesn't want to give me a job because I'm a woman, that's their problem. If someone doesn't want to give me a job because I'm white, Mormon, homeschooled, whatever. That's their problem. Yes, I think it's wrong, but that't THEIR PROBLEM. I'll find a job somewhere else, rather than whine to the government, and get myself involved in a work area that I'll get pushed down.

Yes, there are sexists. But that's their problem. The consequences for such prejudice will come. We needn't bother. There are also people who hate wiccans, people who hate Christians, people who hate Jews, people who hate the Irish, the Polish, whatever.

THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM. WE NEEDN'T BOTHER WITH THE FEW.

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Originally posted by letzBloud:
heres the truth: men & women are equal in pretty much every way, & the sooner the world begins to realize that the better.

Thank you letzBloud!!!

I don't like that I can't be nice to a woman without being scoffed at. Sure, I might not do the same for some guys, but it's not like I'm trying to make a pass at them. Believe me.

My roommate is terrible. Of course, he's from another country, but he believes that before women have rights they should be treated like men; no door opening, paying for women and even such lengths as fighting "fairly" and stuff. He's pitiful and I have a hard time spending much time with him when we get into those conversations because he is so... idiotic and rude.

There will never be true equality. For that, women will, as my roommate proposes (though I'm not nearly as radical), need to surrender some liberties. Studying philosophy, anyone should be able to come to the conclusion that there are two poles to society; liberty and equality. There will never be a balance of both.

Sadly women are still not considered equal to men in the work place.On average they get less pay for the same job even if they have the same educational level and are equally qualified to for the job. No, I don't agree that all men share responsability for this inequality. Some women themselves contribute to this by not educating themselves, accepting that they are of an inferior status merely because of there gender, and by teaching their own children to think in the same manner. The latter could be considered an uncouncious behavior, since they are most likely to implement the same ideas they were taught as children. But anyways, I believe that if you are capable of acomplishing the same amount of work and have the same level of education, you deserve the equal amount of pay.

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I know that there are exceptions...but time has changed that in most other societies.

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Originally posted by faerienite:

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The world is not a male-dominated place. There have been matriarchal societies since the dawn of time.

Really? So since the dawn of time, women have not been considered inferior in society?

Actually, in the Middle Ages, man and woman were equal. Woman could hold most every job a man could hold. Yes, there were some that they could not hold, (such as priest, a doctor that would practice on males) but there were others that men could not hold (such as midwife. It was illegal for a man to deliver babies).

There were guilds for female workers in most every field in the Middle Ages of Europe. Most people don't know any of that.

heres the truth: men & women are equal in pretty much every way, & the sooner the world begins to realize that the better.

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In certain societies (generally tribal societies in parts of Africa and Asia), things were actually run by the women.

I meant the majority of cultures. I know that there are exceptions, but it's not neccesarily a generally western concept. The Chinese go as far as to murder newly-born females because they believe men are superior, and this is no new opinion.

In tribal societies there is pretty much an equal, mutual respect between the males and females, but time has changed that in most other societies.

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Really? So since the dawn of time, women have not been considered inferior in society?

Which society are we talking about? In certain societies (generally tribal societies in parts of Africa and Asia), things were actually run by the women. For all I know, they probably still are.

It's mostly a Western concept that men are superior to women. That doesn't necessarily mean the whole world is like that. Many cultures see men and women as equal, with each gender bringing certain skills and traits to better the group of people as a whole. If I knew how to find any of those cultures or societies, I'd give you a link or something.

Lol, it was, in fact, a sarcastic joke, as I couldn't resist bringing some cynicism to someone passionately urging men to stop changing their gender.

Metrosexuals are MUCH less attractive to me anyway.

But of course, not all metrosexuals are sheep-like, money-throwing gossipy Bed-Heads.

I know you're just upset by certain aspects of modern society, but I really hate the hostile stereotypes that are so often rammed down my throat.

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No! They're so much cuter that way!

Metrosexuals take all the negative aspects of women and get rid of a lot of the positive aspects of being men, it's a bad thing all around.

I don't need to be a passive-agressive, gossiping guy who wastes hundreds of dollars on beauty products and thousands of dollars on non-functional clothes. "Cuter" is not something I want to be. I've already got dimples, a light-hearted sense of humor, and a love of small house pets. That's cute enough.

I know you probably weren't that serious and maybe even sarcastic, but I really hate the vanity consumed urban culture that's being rammed down my throat.

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men should stop trying to be women!!

No! They're so much cuter that way!

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Personally, I hate it when people whine about women (and minorities for that matter) not being "equal" to white men. Come to think of it, I hate whining of all sorts. Anyways, the thing I hate most about it is...I've had to put up with that sort of scenario ever since I turned sixteen and tried to get a job. I still don't have one, and not for lack of trying.

Oh my god! I hate whining too! Why can't people just stop! Wah! It's SO annoying!

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I will admit, however, that women are still seen as inferior, especially in the workplace. But no one said life was fair. That's just the way it is. If you don't like it, do something about it. Just don't start bawling out (all) men for it. We're not all jerks

Life definitely isn't fair, hence work unions, women's organizations, Robin Hood, etc.
But where on this thread did someone blame all men because of the current and past conditions of things? I know some women who do, but that only adds a pointless, roundabout hostility to the problem.

Saying all men are jerks (in reference to women's inequality in the workplace) would be stupid because not all men contribute to the issue. It's like saying all celebrities are idiots because of the rise of eating disorders in teenagers.

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The world is not a male-dominated place. There have been matriarchal societies since the dawn of time.

Really? So since the dawn of time, women have not been considered inferior in society?

sure. no debate there. we may not as yet be doing all we can, but watch out guys, women are taking over...!!!

seriously, tho, i dont think women are really EQUAL to men, and i dont wanna be.

sure, we're all "equal" in the sense that we all deserve the same rights and yada yada, but we all dont share the same talents, gifts and abilities, so we're never ever going to really be EQUAL. If i have to do extra physical labour and lose my sense of femininity (is there such a word?) and essentially, my identity to prove that i can survive in what some people (dont know where they got that idea from) consider to be a "man's world", then heck no, equality can stay.

the way i see it, women should stop trying to be men, and, similarly men should stop trying to be women!!

WHy cant people just learn to be happy with who they are and accept what they can and cannot do without getting all flustered and insecure?

You are who you are, ladies
you are who you are, men,
SUCK IT UP!!

i dunno about equals but i do know this: men gain muscle mass quicker but women gain muscle strength quicker.