Wow, dude...

Were the hll did that article go? Anyhoo, racism refers to race, u cant have racism against gays coz gay people r not a race. Prejudice n discrimination mate.

Wft, a queen is a female, and a king is a male, thats the rule - u cant change that jst coz ur gay. U can be a homosexual prom queen if u want but being a prom king requires being a man, get over it.

ian, what is the difference (from in your quote) between a "least sin" and a "main sin"? Did everybody notice PRIDE is a sin?

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'Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.'

Sodom's main sin was pride. Her least sin was sodomy, as evidenced by the phrase 'comitted abomination before me'. Leviticus 18:22 says

'Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

The ancient Hebrew word that we now translate as "abomination" (usually only in context with homosexuality) meant anything ritualistically unclean.

The Bible lists many different abominations- Leviticus 11:1-12 forbids the consumption of rabbits, pigs, and shellfish, such as oysters, shrimp, lobsters, crabs, clams, etc. One website from which I printed says the following:

"Leviticus 12:1-8 declares that a woman is unclean for 33 days after giving birth to a boy and for 66 days after giving birth to a girl and goes on to demand that certain animals must be offered as a burnt offering and a sin offering for cleansing. Nobody today who claims to be a Christian tries to keep these laws, and few people even know about them! Why do you think that most people don't know about them?"

So, there are all those abominations; who's to say that Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was homosexuality?

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And I'd like to know where Christ asserts that sodomy was not the sin of Sodom.

Jesus implies it in Matthew 10:14-15 and Luke 10:7-16. Ezekial 16:49 also mentions how the city was arrogant.

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And you spelled Gomorrah correctly. Good job!

I just keep guessing until I get it right. = )

Exactly where in either of those two Bible verses did it say anything along the lines of the following, with no interpretations or implications necessary or stated as such:

"Homosexual men were sticking their peni in other homosexual men's orifices in Sodom and gomorrah, which is a sin and homosexuals will go to hell for."

hmm... either I'm blind or it wasn't there...

Ezekiel also gives an excellent recipe for bread. Actually, I've tried it...it sucks.

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Originally posted by iankinzel:
The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah (spelling?) wasn't "sodomy"- committing homosexual acts.

Rather, that sin was inhospitality, ie. being hostile hosts. At least, that's what Jesus said.

You are incorrect in saying that the sin of Sodom was not sodomy. Ezekiel tells us in Ezekiel 16:49-50

'Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.'

Sodom's main sin was pride. Her least sin was sodomy, as evidenced by the phrase 'comitted abomination before me'. Leviticus 18:22 says

'Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

And I'd like to know where Christ asserts that sodomy was not the sin of Sodom. And you spelled Gomorrah correctly. Good job!

Speaking the truth in Love,
Chris

The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah (spelling?) wasn't "sodomy"- committing homosexual acts.

Rather, that sin was inhospitality, ie. being hostile hosts. At least, that's what Jesus said.

Well, as a Christian, I feel I must respond to you, psychopup.

I agree with you. The church is full of hypocrites. There is a Metropolitian church ('gay church') right around the corner from my house, and I've asked people if they'd like to join me and they get horrified. If a homosexual is saved, there is no difference between a heterosexual or that homosexual in the eyes of God. No, homosexuality is not a sin. Regardless to whatever any Christian will ever tell you, the Bible does not say that homosexuality is a sin. The Bible does say that Sodomy is a sin. But sodomy is..well different. Homosexuality is the attraction, sodomy is the act. No, the church does not teach tolerance of all people. We cannot teach that because God cannot be tolerant of sin. If you'd like to get into that conversation, we can talk some other time. But the church does not teach hate. We teach love, and respect. You are correct in your statement that a homosexual does not just wake up and decide to be gay, but no one goes to hell for being attacted to a member of the same sex. The attraction is not a sin, but if they act upon it, it is a sin. And no one is sent to hell specifically for one sin. They are sent because of all of their sins. In effect, one would be a sinner upon one's first sin. So let's say a child of seven tells a lie. now a seven-year-old knows that she lied, thus it is a sin. then ten years or so later, the child realizes her sexual identity. And she acts upon it. Technically, it was that first sin that sends her to hell, so I would venture to say that no one goes to hell for sodomy (or lesbianism which is mentioned in the Epistle of Romans chapter one) because nobody's first sin is sodomy. I too think its major cool to admit you're gay (my sister's done it) and I'm positive it takes guts. But it takes major guts to admit you're a sinner and in need of someone to help get you out of sin, too. So that's my response. Don't listen to the religous hypocrites, because their the ones that Jesus yelled at all the time.

Speaking the truth in Love,
Chris

You could say I "monopolize and control" him, or you could call it "discipline".

-----"""so you monopolize and control your brother? i like it."""---

I like it too. Let's write a book about sibling manipulation together and make millions.

As would I. I mean thewalrus was just offensive and rude. Also, he didn't believe what he wrote. He only did it to **** off people.

If my brother was running around insulting people based on religion, I'd stop him too.

so you monopolize and control your brother? i like it.

Um, red, he's his brother.

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Don't worry about thewalrus anymore. We worked out a compromise- if I find evidence that he has been on this site, he will have to mow the front lawn for me for two weeks. If I catch him on the website, I will turn the computer off and he will have to mow the lawn for me for a month. If neither occurs, then he doesn't have to mow the lawn for me.

WTF? Please, I find this intrguing. How did you go about finding out that he was a neighbor or somthing?

Woot!

Excellent.

Don't worry about thewalrus anymore. We worked out a compromise- if I find evidence that he has been on this site, he will have to mow the front lawn for me for two weeks. If I catch him on the website, I will turn the computer off and he will have to mow the lawn for me for a month. If neither occurs, then he doesn't have to mow the lawn for me.