First of all, I would like to thank all of our supporters ... it takes a lot for straight people to stand up for gay rights when they could just walk right by. However, I would like to address comments along the lines of "As long as they don't touch me, it's ok." Gay people have morals, you know, and they aren't going to just come up and fondle you. Gay relationships start the same way straight ones do: maybe it starts with a smile, conversation, and eventually asking for a possible date. I found this quote particulary disturbing:

"If a girl tries to hit on me, she'd better block her grill cuz I'll represent her in front of everybody..."

After I got through the virtually unintelligible language, I had to respond to this. Redchick, why can't you just say, "Sorry, I'm not interested" like you (hopefully) would if a guy asked you out? She's not hurting you. If a lesbian came up to you and grabbed your chest, that would be sexual harrassment same as if a guy did it. But if she's just asking for a date, just say no thanks. Be nice about it. Would you like it if you asked a gay guy out and he punched you in the face?

No I dont think it is ok to disscriminate against people no matter what. Not for their religion, ethnicity, or there sexual prefrence. I dont know why there are so many out there that are so against it, I mean it dosent matter who you love after all its whats on the inside not the out.

and again i say wow. i just read i believe all of the past posts. some of them are pretty impressive too. i would love to let you all know what my thoughts on this topic are, whether you wanna know or not, but i will have to do that later. wow!!

It's funny, you guys really are funny. No matter what, the gay people will continue to be gay, the straight people will be straight, why do we care? Why do we care what goes on in the other room? Why do you guys care if it doesn't affect you? So what, they talk with a lisp, (BTW, many don't), so what they flick their wrists (BTW, many don't), even straight people do that, though not as many, but who cares? Is their lifestyle hurting you? no. Infact, the Earth is on its way to being over populated and NASA is looking for possibilities of other planets! So don't even bring the crap about procreation, it doesn't matter. What I am trying to say is, why do you guys care so much, gay people, straight people, nothing changes because someone is gay in the public world, the only differences is their private life. Why care? Is it worth the effort knowing that you will have to convince 1 out of every 10 people that they have mental problems, why you are just narrow minded and hate-filled?

kilo, you seem to use the defense of : "Hey! You're putting words into my mouth so I'm not going to respond" quite a lot. Maybe rather than being circular and obtuse, you could take the opportunity to clarify your points.

I think my questions to you were actually quite relevant, considering your wide assertion that sex is 'meant for reproduction' and has been 'perverted for pleasure.'

The c.litoris is not only solely for pleasure, BUT, during stimulation, it actually involuntarily swells and protrudes exposing more of itself, which seem to clearly indicate that pleasure is an *encouraged* gift from whomever we believe created us all.

And, here's C.litoris 101, from a medical site, to get your research started :

"The ****oris is the area at the top of a woman's genitals, just inside the inner lips. The ****oris becomes firm and filled with blood (called pelvic congestion) during sexual arousal. It's surrounded by muscle tissue which helps to create tension and fullness during arousal. It also contracts during ******, playing an important role in the involuntary muscle spasms that happen at this time. The ****oris is the only organ in a woman's body existing solely for sexual pleasure and arousal.

The ****oris is sometimes called the joy button, with the implication that it's one small spot. In reality, the ****oris has several parts to it: the glans (also called head or tip) -- the part you can see -- attaches to the shaft which runs the length of the genitals to the ******l opening. The ****oris connects to erectile tissue which runs throughout the genital area."

Wow flow, you've got me on several points. I'm really impressed. First and foremost, I must admit that your quote at the end describes me to a "T". Yeah, I am homophobic cause I disagree with homosexuality. And yes, because I am homophobic, that means that I am, in fact, insecure about my heterosexuality. Thanks for giving me incredible insight into my persona. I appreciate it. As for your questions, you put words into my mouth so I'm not going to respond. You can perceive that as being a poor sport cause I know I'm wrong. Whatever makes you happy. I must admit, I don't know about your question about the c.l.itoris, that's a good point. I'll have to research it. But the most important thing I came to realize through this debat is that I am homophobic and insecure about my heterosexuality, thanks for helping me.

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Posted by kilo1:
It may have been perverted for pleasure, but its purpose is for procreation. So homosexuals can't reproduce, so that's another thing that proves that homosexuality isn't natural.

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Sex is only about procreation? Wow. That's an interesting point. Reflective of the times that two people were seperated by a sheet featuring a small hole where a pen.is was inserted. Why is pleasure contentious for you? Don't you believe that if we were given the capacity for experiencing emotions, that we should be expected to utilize them? Pleasure is an essential part of lovemaking, and it doesn't much matter who's involved.

There are lots of hetero couples who cannot reproduce for a multitude of reasons. Are you asserting that their union is in some way perverted and unnatural? And what about couples who choose not to have children? Is there also something wrong with them? Sex is NOT just about procreation. If that were true, then how do you explain the c.l.i.toris, the highly sensitive female sex organ, which has no other purpose than to produce pleasure?

Celebrate diversity, challenge the status quo.

flow23


"Definition of Homophobia -- A deep insecurity with being heterosexual."

Being gay is one thing, doing it is another.

Since it is a genetic code that appears in
1 out of 37 humans, the individual is not to blame for his/her DNA. However, it is a disgusting, unnatural act and is contributing to the further degradation of social morals.

It is nothing to be proud of and should be treated as a standard medical disability.

Oh and on another note. I respect you as a person for not being afraid to tell the truth. Good luck man...

Though i dont beleve in homosexuality. I also dont beleve in holding it agains someone. The only thing i dont like is if another guy came up to me and touched me in places that i would rather have a girl do. But i say live strong...

It should not matter if you are homosexual or not. If you are that is your business. Don't be ashamed of it. I have alot of gay friends and it don't bother me. I even know some lesibians. As long and they don't mess with me it is ok. People should not worry about other people's love lives.
QT

Did I ever say procreation was a top priority? No. Once again, someone has put words in my mouth to try to prove their point. My point was that sex is MEANT and DESIGNED for reproduction. It may have been perverted for pleasure, but its purpose is for procreation. So homosexuals can't reproduce, so that's another thing that proves that homosexuality isn't natural.

Dante: ... win?...
Kilo: there are plenty of people on this earth many of them suffering because of it. i really don't think procreation is a top priority anymore...

Phoebe

"The Bible contains six admonishments of homosexuals and 362 admonishments of heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision." - Lynn Lavner

You inply by "higher truth" and authority that we should look to G-d or something. Here, in debates, we use logic. Explain your argument, make logical connections. Then request the other person use reason and try to refute what you say. Logic will win. If you dont use logic, you can't expect to win.

Whether taken in a biblical sense or not, it wasn't Adam and Steve. It's not just a joke. How do you think the population grew on earth? Or did I miss something? I guess two males can reproduce. Wait, no they can't. So, since that was the way it was from the beginning, why is it okay to change things now? It's not. So the Adam and Steve thing isn't just a joke, it's a good point.

This is what I'm trying to tell you guys. We need a higher source of Truth than ourselves if we're gonna have a decent conversation. Otherwise, we just go around and around and around... As an example (Just an example, so don't take it personally) Liberalchic said that Adam and Eve didn't exist. I say they did. Without a higher source of Truth, we don't get anywhere. She'd keep saying, "no they didn't," and I'd keep saying, "yes they did." Who's to say that her belief is any more valid than mine, or mine than hers? A truth outside of ourselves is the only way, as it's not biased by our opinions, and is more authoritative that our every-day opinions.

What do you think?

Watchman
Eze 33

Why would you make fun of people for no reason? U don't make sense. And Adam and Eve didn't exist, so that means nothing to me. Plus, gay people don't just go up and start hitting on people so I wouldn't worry about that.

P.S. What does your sn mean?

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all I have to say s that if people feel like they want to be gay they should do as they please. As lng as a chick ain't trying to get with me then I'm straight. if a girl tryies to hit on me,she should be redy to block her grill because I will represent her in front of everyone that is there at the time. And as long as you are not related to me then I'm fine. i think that people should think aboutwho were the first people here. It was adam and Eve. a man and a woman. there was no Adam and Steven and there was no Eve and amanda. People should think about that sometimes and I thnk if you do and you are still fruity I think you are wierd. Gay people can be cool though. I'm not saying that I don't like you'll it is just that I think that you guys ideas of what type of relationship you should be in is wrong and i do not support you guys a lot when it comes down to getting married and having kids. I think that is a non-no. Yo whoever put up this topic I respect you for braveness but I know you get teased about it because I am one of the people who tease people like you. I don't know why I do it I just do. But I have to give you props and respect you for who you are. Aight until next time...
1-luv-redchick4life
Peace out
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Homosexual genes?