Kilo, what I actually said was that your position on homosexuality was an excuse for other people to use the Bible, etc. as reasons to hate gays. You kind of took my quote out of context. Read the sentences preceding it. They're fragments, I know, but it's rhetoric - for effect.

Anyway, I love how you blast us for not having proof that speaks for our opinions on homosexuality (or that of homosexuality existing in nature) when your statement of what is natural has no proof to back it up either.

Have you ever fallen in love with a member of the opposite sex? Has that love turned into a lifelong committed relationship? Wait, strike that, that's you. You can say what's normal, and you can say what you've grown up seeing, but the truth is how can you/what gives you the right to say it's the only way to be? Does that scare you? Confuse you? What? I'm curious. Does precedent mean everything? Wait, once again, homosexuality has been rampant throughout history. Some scholars say the very early Christian Church allowed homosexual marriages. In Rome, Constantinople, homosexual prostitutes were a large industry, and it was taxed. The money, incidentally, went to the pope.

Did you know that we are one of, if not the only, species that has sex both for procreation and pleasure? Yes, both. Sex that isn't used for procreation is not misused. After all, we have birth control for a reason, right?

Also, people choose to be homosexual. It's not genetic (think about that one, how could the gene be passed?), they're not forced to be gay, no one made them that way. They chose to live that lifestyle.

Now this will kind of be an off the chart comparison, but bear with me.

People who choose to be gay should expect social mistreatment, just as a terrorists should expect social mistreatment. Certainly not to the same degree. But I do not believe that homosexuals are contributing memebers of our society. Yeah, that was a little harsh and I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. This is merely an opinion, and this is how I feel.

Here's my take on this whole system. Homosexuality or bisexuality is wrong. If you want to use the bible, here it is. God made Adam and Eve. He did not make Adam and John or Eve and Jane. End of story.

Secondly, homosexuality is a problem in our society. They may not be the main cause (I don't have the statisitics) but I know that homosexuals contribute largely to the AIDS epidemic. You will probably argue that unprotected sex does as well, and you are right. But if you take out the number of AIDS cases in homosexuals, you would see the number greatly drop.

Also, homosexuality should not be taught or tolerated in our society. I agree with Kilo. It is not natural. Men were meant to love women, not other men.

Now, do I think that physical attacks on homosexuals is ok? No. They are people too, but I do believe that anyone who is homosexual could use some conselling. The way I see it, homosexuals have something wrong in the head. For whatever reason, they are attracted to members of the same sex, rather than the opposite sex.

And I do believe that sex is meant to procreate. Honestly, what other reason is there? Because it's fun? Because it's cool? Because everybody's doing it? No. The main purpose of sex is to procreate.

Yes, homosexuals are people too. But if I am to believe that homosexuality is right, then I would have to forget everything I have ever been taught. And I believe that I have been taught the right things, therefore, homosexuality is wrong.

First of all, I'm not going to take your word for it that primates have homosexual tendencies. Give me some proof. Second of all, humans aren't primates. Where's my proof that homosexuality isn't natural? Look at the sexual, emotional, and physical differences and similarities between males and females. They go together. That's why it's not natural.

If you want to have a reasonable debate, we will. But please don't resort to putting words in my mouth.

"Seriously, what do you think of when you see gays? A d*ck going into a hole?"

Did I say that? No.
"Your judgmental nature is based on what? The Bible? Come on."

Did I mention the Bible? No.

"Sex is meant to procreate?"

Did I say that? No.

"You didn't necessarily mention these things..."

Alright, you finally admit it.

"To take your point of view. Breeding hate is the biggest problem is the world today, especially because so much of it is based on ignorance. Congratulations. You've aided the trend."

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You said "I didn't necessarily say these things" but now it's my point of view and I've "aided the trend". Like I said before, I'd like to have a reasonable debate, but don't put words into my mouth. If you want to continue the debate you can respond and we'll continue.

perhaps you werent aware that some animals actually DO have homosexual tendencies!!! YEP..thats right. some animals are GAY! take the primates for instance: gorillas, chimps, HUMANS. So...please, remind me again what your so-called evidence was that homosexuality isnt natural? i'd LOVE to hear a reasonable answer.

Try something different for once and actually read my post. You want prove? Men and women are made to have sex together. I think you know what I'm saying when it comes to that. And men and women balance each other out. I'm not saying men dominate over women, but their personality traits are definetly different. Look at nature guys, how many gay animals do you see?
The fact is, like I said before, that homesexuality isn't natural.

Your response is disgusting. Seriously, what do you think of when you see gays? A d*ck going into a hole? I love your talk about what's natural. Let me tell you what's natural. Love. Love is natural. You fall in love with somebody that people tell you you can't be in love with. What kind of world is that? I don't if it's with someone of your gender, race, whatever. Love is not unnatural. Does that love express itself in various ways? Yes.

Your judgmental nature is based on what? The Bible? Come on. There's a New Testament too; furthermore, any biblical condemnations of homosexuality have a debatable context. That's right. Context. It is not 2,000 years ago. Sex is meant to procreate? Perhaps that was important if the survival of your tribe is at risk due to starvation and diseases. But not now. You didn't necessarily mention these things, but I'm bringing them up because the bottom line is they're excuses. Excuses to hate, to negate, to deny. To take your point of view. Breeding hate is the biggest problem is the world today, especially because so much of it is based on ignorance. Congratulations. You've aided the trend.

Kilo1, give me some proof to back up this "fact" (i.e. an example, an explanation), because you sound so perfectly convinced in your hate.

It makes me sick that people continue to support gay people. IT IS WRONG. It is totally unnatural, everything about it. Nature didn't intend for people of the same sex to be together. It is shown in the emotional, sexual, and mental similarities and differences between the two sexes. This is yet another example of how America constantly makes excuses for wrong things. Homosexuality is wrong. That is the fact.

I liked your "sky is blue" example. I can apply the same rationale to your beliefs.

Pretend I can objectively say homosexuality is just fine. Now you can believe differently based on your beliefs, but that doesn't mean you're right. Basically we can point at each other all we want; I find it futile to say who believes who is right.

However, have scientists done work to locate a gene for sexual orientation? Yes, much. My point is: what's more productive? To try to create informed opinions based on facts we can test or to take our opinions from beliefs we can't test that thoroughly at all?

As far as separating the person from what they're doing (the "hate the sin, not the sinner" argument, not that I'm saying you explicitly used the word "hate"), what exactly do you gain from saying publicly that you disagree with homosexuality? I'm trying to understand this. I know you're only expressing your opinion, but it's not as if they're going away. A statement against homosexuality is a statement for hate crimes, directly or indirectly. Once you point people in a negative direction, it gives them an excuse to take it further. I think that's unforgivable.

Hello all. I am Christian and I don't believe in homosexuality. But I won't discriminate because it isn't my buisness what other people do. We actually just had a debat in English on this subject. But it was Do you think homosextual couples should be able to adopt? I also have a question. Do you guys think people choose to be homosexual or are they born that way. That was the most contreversial questions we had during our debate.

I think that if your gay bi straight whatever.. its whats on the inside that counts. People (in my opinion) look at the gays and lesibians etc. and automatically think that they will hit on them because of what they prefer. I'm straight but have some friends that are bi and lesibians, and my mom can't stand it cuz she thinks that its gonna "rub" off on me. When you try to tell her that they too are human and have the same emotions as we do it goes through one ear and out the other. I think that gays and lesbians etc. have A LOT of guts to go out and not care what people think of them, to go on with their business and I respect that. Just for one day I would like to see some of the people that are dissin others cuz of their sexuality, take a walk in their shoes, and see how hard it is. For those that are talkin about it on this post board... YOU GO!
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Why would anyone choose to be homosexual with all the discrimination that goes on?

Well, I want to thank you guys for coming and breathing life into this thread. I was afraid I had killed it. I know how you feel, about gaybashing, and using Gay as another word for stupid. I have had to put up with similar comments from teachers about my religion. I am all against hate and descrimination. Don't get me wrong. Prejudice is wrong, no matter who you're prejudiced against. That said, I still believe that homosexuality is a choice made by some people, and that it's wrong. Read my other post if you want more explination.

Watchman
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Hey everyone. so first things first: for those of you who are gay, straight, lesbian, bi...go you! (at my school's GSA club their mascot is a platapus and their motto is "gay, straight, lesbian, bi, it dont matter to the platapi!" yeah i know its cheesy but i thought it was funny. but anyway, i digress.) personally, im straight, but everytime someone says something offensive like "oh...thats GAY," i just cringe. where did that phrase ever originate and how in the WORLD was it made into an insult?! i just dont get it. when people say stuff like that, its like we're supposed to associate being gay with something gross or stupid! WHY?!! being gay is just a way of life for some people, and if you dont agree with it then im sorry... youre gonna have to deal with it at least once in your life! sheesh! i mean, really, you might as well accept it. oh by the way, has anyone seen the broken hearts club? its a really cute movie mostly about this gay guy who's a newbie. anyway, if you havent seen it go rent it. trust me its cute.

if u r gay i don't have a problem with it. i think we are told to only look at the opposite sex from birth and the people who don't are origional. if we were all bisexual then there would be twice as many people in the dating pool for all of us. more pwoer to u!

Amen, Watchman, Amen

First off, good for everyone for standing up for your beliefs. I agree 100% that hatred and prejudice are WRONG!! That said, I do not believe that homosexuality is right.

Before everyone gets mad at me for saying that, I want to appologize for the stupid/mean/evil/hateful actions of Christians. I appologize for every WRONG thing that Christians have done to the gay community, and to all of you, personally. God calls all Christains to LOVE everyone the way that He loves them. He does not call them to hate, be mean, or harass others, no matter who they are. Christians are just people, and we all make mistakes. Please do not hate all Christians or Christianity as a whole for the actions of some. These actions, no matter how bad they are, do not take away from the message of the Bible, and God's love for everyone.

Christians are called to love and accept all people, but that doesn't mean that we are supposed to agree with everything everyone does. It IS possible to love and accept someone, without agreeing with, supporting, or accepting everything they do. As an example: If your best friend suddenly started breaking into people's houses and stealing things, would you just stop being their friend, or would you still feel the same way about them, even though you think what they're doing is wrong?

Why do Christians think homosexuality is wrong? Because God says that it's wrong in the Bible. We all have beliefs and values that we get from something or someone else. The Bible is like our parents, telling us what's right and what's wrong. The main difference is that God (through the Bible) knows everything, and doesn't make mistakes. Now, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE THIS!!! You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe, but that doesn't mean that the Bible is wrong. Let me give you another example: The sky is blue. We all know the sky is blue. If someone chooses to believe that the sky is green, they can do that. It's their choice. That doesn't make them right, though. The sky is still blue, no matter what they choose to believe.

God loves us all, cares for us, and wants us to have a good life. He tells us how to live a good life through the Bible. He knows what's best for us, but we have to choose to believe him. He lets us make our own choices, but that doesn't mean he likes everything we choose to do. But the best part is, even when we make mistakes, He still loves us.

Watchman
Eze 33

i believe that the bible is against homosexualiy. But that has never stoped me from thinking outside the box anyway. I believe that some people will not allow themselfes to fall for a person of the oppisit sex so they feel safer cause they know inside of the others head what they are thinking and it is like a safe heaven. I think that you should love who ever you want without discrimation but myself don't see it as right but i wont discrimat agaisnt it. So be yourself without the fear of others cause who you are is all that you are.
As always
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