If what you said was, abstinence education isn’t making kids more abstinent I would agree.

What you said is that abstinence is actually Causing kids to have unprotected sex, which is right out.

Lets remember Poncho, People graduate from high school at 17-18.
We are talking about basically 14-16 year old Kids.

These kids do not need to be given Condemns at school and say "Well if your going to screw, then screw teaching you anything."

"Saying that the use of condoms is ‘safe sex’ is in fact playing Russian roulette. A lot of people will die in this dangerous game."
Quote from: Dr. Teresa Crenshaw, member of the U.S. Presidential AIDS Commission and past president of the American Association of Sex Educators


33,000 people get a new STD every day and 22,000 of them are 15 to 24 years old.

25% of High School students will be infected with an STD before graduation.
Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York and Center for Disease Control, Atlanta

One of the studies found that among teenagers, the condom failure rate regarding pregnancy was 36%. On average, that means that one out of every three teenage couples using condoms will become pregnant each year.


Like I said Poncho, it will just take a generation of STD infected, pregnant high schoolers to be made an example out of.

I learned for my Mom, and my other sister (pregnant at 16, and yes with a condemn).

"President Bush has pushed to fund abstinence only sex education, saying that it is that only "surefire" way to prevent unwanted pregnancies, STDs, and immoral, nasty, hot teen sex.
Abstinence, of course, does prevent all of these terrible things. Abstinence education, however, does not.
On a November 1999 Meet the Press, candidate Bush told Tim Russert, "The folks that are saying condom distribution is the best way to reduce teenage pregnancies obviously haven't looked at the statistics."
Interesting. Maybe he's referring to the statistics finding a huge decline in teenage pregnancy between 1990 and 1996. A study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute attributed 75 percent of that decline to increased use of contraception- the most frequently used being condoms."

-Lies and the Lying Liars That Tell Them

by Al Franken


Of course it's biased. But it's also entirely factual.

In the Philippines, we don't have a Filipino term for the word "sexuality". We rely heavily on Western terminologies, borrowing them. What does this mean?

We are ashamed. We are in denial that issues such as health rights, reproductive rights, AIDS, and HIV are in the country today, here, now. We turn blind eyes and deaf ears to the issue at hand.

Poncho, where are the statistics?

I kinda see were you're going, some teens learn about sex and want to have sex. To "explore" I guess.

I still think they should have abstinence classes, you need to teach kids the consequences. Give out free condoms whatever it takes.

*shakes head* no... no more "you're a Liberal" or what not comments... I've been learning about this for 8 weeks... eh.
-Sunset

To say abstinence classes are actually causing unprotected sex is pure speculation.

Liberals (Like poncho) enjoy using misleading, and in most cases completely fiscal.

People should teach the failer rate of condemns and other common forms birth controls.

Oh well. It will just take a generation of liberal pro-STD spreading, pregnant teens to be made an example of I suppose.

Wait...you're saying that abstinence education causes people to have unprotected sex? Er, how? *has a feeling she's being dense*

Dude, we don't care if the students start a religious club as long as it isn't mandatory. And it has been PROVEN that abstinence education is more effective at getting people to have unprotected sex than to use protection, or not have sex at all.

I think an abstinence program in high school is a great idea. It would've been nice to know that other people were also virgins when I was in high school. I felt like the only one!

Be cautious, though. Some of the more liberal of the students/parents may think you're trying to promote a certain religion. Be confident and clear when you speak, and make sure you know all your views (personally, and as a "club") down pat.

Good luck!

its ok....but I'm not that way

Hey generationgurl00, I saw your reply and I'm with you starting an abstinence program. I'm 19 years old and I care. Write back.

I think that that would be an awesome idea for an organization at schools. People need to go back to a time when it was okay to be a virgin, it's the right way to stay unless married.

As corny as it may sound the only way to protect yourself from HIV/AIDS is to abstain from sexual contact until you are married.

sunshinehippiegirl... why are you speaking french?

wow. je pense personne ont parle francais. dan ma classe de francais, ma proffeseur dit, "tournez avec votre partinair" qu'est-ce que sais "partinair"? Partner? Ce n'est pas francais. Je ne sais pas.

I beleive in abstinence more than I beleive in safe sex. I mean abstinence is the only 100% sure way that a person can keep from getting life-long diseases and baby's. If you don't practice abstinence then, yea, I would say go for the safe sex but I wouldn't make it my first choice.

I also beleive that sex isn't about pleasure in a sense you do it just to feel good. It's deeper than that. I beleive that it something that is shared between two people who are in love. It is something that you share with that one person.

I didn't mean to go all lovey dovey but that is the best way I could put it.

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what is THAT wrong with sex?

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Therein lies the barrier to effectively establishing a public sex-ed campaign.

Some people think there is lots wrong with sex before you're married, for various reasons - religious implications, being ready in terms of maturity and responsibility, and the idea of an emotional bond between two people, not merely a physical one. This group of people will always believe in abstinence.

Now, look at the flip-side. Some people believe sex is simply another experience, to be had and enjoyed like any other. They see it as a physical thing, and with that frame of mind, it isn't a big deal - except for the possible consequences. So, people in this group preach safe sex, with proper birth control and std prevention techniques.

Schools don't know what stand to take, so they try to teach both. A favorite catch phrase at my school is "Abstinence is the expectation for teens." Yet, they spend three-quarters of the sex-ed unit teaching about methods of birth control. Because abstinence is not stressed highly, its importance gets brushed aside. The actual message given is "Abstinence is the expectation for teens. (wink, wink) So here's a condom, and don't forget to wait til you're married!" In the same way, not whole-heartedly endorsing safe-sex cheapens it as well, making it seem less important to sexually active teens.

Because schools are unwilling or unable to take a strong moral stand, they fail to teach students the value of abstinence, safe-sex, or anything else, for that matter. Students find themselves looking elsewhere for guidance about these issues, which is perfectly fine when a student has a responsible parent or a valued religious belief to look to. When neither is available, how can we expect that problems won't occur?

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i dont think that they are talking about sex it self, but more like the things after it. ya know, like STD's and kids.

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if thats the case, they should be fighting for safe sex, and responsible sex, not abstinence. I think teens should be educated about sex, how to do it, how not to do it...all of that stuff. the better educated, the more responsible we will be, abstinence is only avoiding the issue. If i was a parent, i would rather have my kid having sex safely than telling them not to have sex at all and not educate them.
-mike

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Nope... I'm all about the orgies.

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what is THAT wrong with sex?

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i dont think that they are talking about sex it self, but more like the things after it. ya know, like STD's and kids.

uhm i think ill have to go with kharybdis on this one...honestly though...what is THAT wrong with sex?

Ya I am all for abstinence.