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Registered: June 14, 2004
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quote: Originally posted by pandora03:
Have you ever heard of playing devil's advocate? That's exactly what it is. My post stated that MY BROTHER doesn't believe in homosexuals getting married. What is it illegal now to be devil's advocate? Even after I posted that people were still attacking me so I just continued to play the role. I really have no problem with homosexuals and them getting married. Who am I that I can tell someone what their rights are? I can't stand up and say you are no better than I am. If that was my child I would want them to have the same rights and respect that anyone else's kids deserve. We are Americans and discrimination is wrong. I wouldn't like it if someone decided that blacks don't deserve the same rights that whites do. I'm black and that would offend me. Me of all people can't stop someone from collecting on their natural born rights. I have told my brother this and he really does believe it is disgusting. I respect his opinions though and can understand where he's coming from. Everything I did say though came from me and I won't apologize. I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the other side every once in awhile. It helps you remember why you believe what you do. Seriously though we can keep going on this topic if you guys want. I would love to get some more opinions and continue to play devil's advocate. I must say I love it!! My standing is I don't have the right to say you are going to hell, you are no better than I am, or you don't deserve what I do. Just by being born in America you are special and deserve certain rights. I'm proud to be a part of this country and of anyone that contributes to it.
Well that's about dumb. Playing the devil's advocate is one thing...but fueling your entire position around something you don't even agree with is ridiculous. If you had started off with saying, "Just for the sake of argument..." or something along those lines it may have been alright. Also, most of the time when people play devil's advocate they usually have a fairly decent stance to argue with. Whereas, you didn't.
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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Thanks you guys are great. I can do it now!!
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: December 14, 2004
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Or you can highlight the text you want to "quote" and hit the yellow, quick reply arrow. If you want to quote additional text later on in your post, you can highlight the text and hit "quick quote" at the bottom of the window.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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quote: Originally posted by clpo13: Pandora, when you end a quote you need to put a slash before the word quote, like so: [quote] ... [/quote]
wanted to try it. Thanks
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Pandora, when you end a quote you need to put a slash before the word quote, like so: [quote] ... [/quote]
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: May 03, 2005
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thank you Euterpe 
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
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Registered: September 29, 2004
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Saturn's absolutely right. If there's one thing our government is good for, it's the ever-lasting and adaptable system of checks and balances. Gay marriage will come to law. It's just a matter of time and persistence. And I think a culture that has been repressed for hundreds of years and march through a few more. *Sigh.* You don't choose to be straight, much like you don't choose to have OCD, or brown hair, etc. If you have to make the conscious decision to be attracted to one sex or the other, as someone stated earlier, that makes you bisexual. quote: I've seen lesbian porn and boy is it dull.
Lol. Of course, the minute I saw that I thought, "Pfft, then clearly they're not going it right." 
A lo hecho, pecho.
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Registered: May 03, 2005
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The purpose of our government is rule by the people. We tell our politicians what we want them to do and our government is designed to and always has adapted to the will of the people. If a politician decides to do whatever he wants, then another part of the government will stop him and should stop him if it is not in the best interests of the people. You are obviously right that he would not allow the killing of all homosexuals, but that is an extremity.
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
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Registered: December 14, 2004
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quote: The president has the respobnsibility to do whatever his people want him to do.
The president and all representatives were elected to make decisions based on what they believe is correct and based on the constitution. If the majority of the American people decided that we should kill all homosexuals, should the president go along with that? No. Of course, not.
They'll like us when we win - Toby Ziegler.
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Registered: January 15, 2003
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Well, then... I'm thoroughly confused beyond all possibility.
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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Ok let me ask something. Why when I try to reply with a quote, why can't I get the cool orange lines? It's pissing me off!!
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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Bush is not the one that makes all of the decisions. When he chose to go to war everyone backed him up. He can try and put a law through, but that doesn't mean it's going to get passed. Bush isn't really the only one that has his hands on things. I don't think Bush would enforce that decison if given the power.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: May 03, 2005
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The president has the respobnsibility to do whatever his people want him to do. He cannot do whatever he wants and thus far he has not. for example, the war in Iraq: If the public was truly opposed to the war in Iraq, we could've written to our senators and they could've voted to cut the funding for the war. Thusly, no funding = no war, and we would have had to pull out. However, we did not. We are the ones who have the right to ban gay marriage. He has the responsibilkity to enforce our decision
"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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Have you ever heard of playing devil's advocate? That's exactly what it is. My post stated that MY BROTHER doesn't believe in homosexuals getting married. What is it illegal now to be devil's advocate? Even after I posted that people were still attacking me so I just continued to play the role. I really have no problem with homosexuals and them getting married. Who am I that I can tell someone what their rights are? I can't stand up and say you are no better than I am. If that was my child I would want them to have the same rights and respect that anyone else's kids deserve. We are Americans and discrimination is wrong. I wouldn't like it if someone decided that blacks don't deserve the same rights that whites do. I'm black and that would offend me. Me of all people can't stop someone from collecting on their natural born rights. I have told my brother this and he really does believe it is disgusting. I respect his opinions though and can understand where he's coming from. Everything I did say though came from me and I won't apologize. I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the other side every once in awhile. It helps you remember why you believe what you do. Seriously though we can keep going on this topic if you guys want. I would love to get some more opinions and continue to play devil's advocate. I must say I love it!! My standing is I don't have the right to say you are going to hell, you are no better than I am, or you don't deserve what I do. Just by being born in America you are special and deserve certain rights. I'm proud to be a part of this country and of anyone that contributes to it.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: October 28, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by pandora03:
See what I'm saying LoveTheRainbow is upset too. Why are you mad, because I'm telling the truth.
Of coarse I am upset. Your are incorrigable and impossible to to talk to in a civilized manner no matter how much anyone tries. quote: See I wasn't going to say anything, but why do you think you are smarter than I am? Just because you know how to type. You say you know so much about science? You also say you respect people. You pretty much just said that I don't know anything.. I guess you suppose in your what 18 years of life you have learned all?
Patronizing us is not going to help you.. In my mere 15 years of life I have learned more about accepting others and myself than you have learned in your 21 years. I definatly no more about homosexuality than you do. Whether or not you believe me, when i say I didn't choose to be gay, doesn't really bother me.It bothers me however that you judge with no proof. It bothers me that you resort to degrading others. It bothers me that you only answer the questions you want and not all that are directed at you, as you would were we talking in person. Unless you admitt that you are bi and choose guys over girls then I will not believe when you you tell me you "Choose" To be straight. quote: I've seen lesbian porn and boy is it dull.
Bite your tongue EG
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Registered: January 15, 2003
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quote: That has got to be the first time I've heard that particular euphemism. It evokes interesting mental images...
Sorry. I've had 3 hours of sleep today, and I have almost no clue what I'm saying anymore. Although, you have to admit, it's an awesome euphemism.
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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quote: Everyone is telling me to understand their point of view and yet no one is understanding mine.
You've changed your positions more times than I even care to count. First you say gays don't deserve to marry. Then you say they deserve equal rights. Now you say they disgust you. What, may I ask, do you believe, since I can't make any sense out of what I've read thus far? I probably don't speak for everyone else when I say this, but I'm not trying to make you think like me; I just want to know what you think. You make it incredibly hard to figure that out. Perhaps if I know your definite stance (not whichever it is this particular day), I may be able to better understand where you come from. Now, I personally didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I never once looked at guys and wondered if they were my type. Never. I've been ogling girls ever since junior high. Before that, they were to be avoided at all costs (cooties and whatnot, you know). But neither before nor after puberty have I ever wondered what it would be like to be with another man. I did not choose to be straight. quote: I guess some of us just have self-control and morals. We need more of that in this sick world of ours.
Self-control and morals are not universal constants. My morals aren't your morals, and vice versa. I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make with that statement. I'm with EG in saying that it sounds like you're trying to supress homosexuality in yourself by choosing heterosexuality. quote: plow his summer sausage into my corn field
That has got to be the first time I've heard that particular euphemism. It evokes interesting mental images...
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 15, 2003
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quote: Yes I choose to like guys why can't you just accept that?
I'm sure I said I don't care if you chose or not several times. I really don't care. And I accept that. Just accpet that I did not choose to be straight. God made me this way.  quote: You pretty much just said that I don't know anything.. I guess you suppose in your what 18 years of life you have learned all? Well you haven't and the sooner you realize that the better.
I have not learned everything. But I've learned more than many college graduates, simply because science is an obsession for me. If you had any idea what an Amygdala was, what it did and how it pertained to sexual attraction, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm not claiming to be smarter than you. I'm trying figure out what's wrong with you. quote: I guess some of us just have self-control and morals.
So rude. I'm not the one that "chooses to be straight". If you have to choose you're implying you have homosexual tendencies that you "control" by choosing to be straight. I have no homosexual tendencies. It takes no conscious effort for me to want a man to plow his summer sausage into my corn field. I've seen lesbian porn and boy is it dull. Absolutely nothing was going on down there. I couldn't choose to be a lesbian no matter how hard I tried. Anyway, like I said before. Choose what you want, I do not care nor will I judge you for that. I'm trying my hardest to treat you with respect, but you're making it really hard. It's not difficult to disagree with homosexuality in a peaceful and civil manner. But you constantly refuse to do that. All you're doing is making a huge effort to offend and piss everyone off. Then you get mad when we retaliate. Stop it. There are a lot of Christians on this site that think homosexuality is wrong, but they're perfectly wonderful people. Learn from them. Anyway, it's that time of the month for me, and I'm so not in the mood.
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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See what I'm saying LoveTheRainbow is upset too. Why are you mad, because I'm telling the truth. I'm not going to lie and say I didn't choose. I guess some of us just have self-control and morals. We need more of that in this sick world of ours.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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See I wasn't going to say anything, but why do you think you are smarter than I am? Just because you know how to type. You say you know so much about science? You also say you respect people. You pretty much just said that I don't know anything.. I guess you suppose in your what 18 years of life you have learned all? Well you haven't and the sooner you realize that the better. I also don't remember asking you if you chose the person you like. Yes I choose to like guys why can't you just accept that? Don't say no BS like "Oh yeah I said hurray for you." You put (which I strongly doubt) there. Come on stop calling people liars. You get offended when I call someone a "fag." I have no reason to lie. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else on here I'm tellinng you my viewpoint.
"There's nothing worse than a young cynic, because he has went from knowing nothing to believing nothing."
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