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Picture of Shade
Registered: December 27, 2006
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Isn't this thread about gay marriage?


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Really, even when at least half of the the scientists in the USA and around the world say the contrary.


And the other half are, what, sitting on their laurels ignoring the whole issue?

There actually isn't that much disagreement among the scientific community regarding global warming. There are a handful of scientists (funded by companies that would rather not be sanctioned in the name of the climate) who do dispute global warming, but they are by no means a large group. By objecting to the mainstream, they create the illusion that there is major dissent among the scientific community.

The majority of mainstream scientists agree that global warming is a problem and that humans have played at least a small part in it getting worse over the past 200 years. A small part, mind you. I know that climate change is a natural part of life, but the Earth is indeed susceptible to the actions of the beings that inhabit it. Imagine a glass filled to the brim. That glass may contain gallons of water, but even a single drop will make it overflow. Human interference doesn't need to be much to make things worse.

Also, would you mind providing a source that the Earth was warmer in 1900 and 1950? Every unbiased source I've seen says that temperatures have been steadily increasing since the Industrial Revolution in the late 18th century (in line with increasing greenhouse gases). Well, steadily up until the mid 20th century, when things began to really go up. How can you say 1950 was warmer than today when 1998 and 2005 were the hottest years on record?

Or is the rationality of a diseased liberal mind simply too much for you?


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Well, it isn't nice to lie, now isn't it? See, Gore, at least, made a documentary that may or may not have hard evidence backing it up (I haven't see it, so I can't say). Where's the Loose Change of global warming? The only rebuttals I've seen are similar to yours there: unproven, unsubstantiated, and made only to inflame.


Really, even when at least half of the the scientists in the USA and around the world say the contrary. Want to know why you never hear them? Read BIAS sometime. With an open mind, not a closed one, if you please.

According to many anti-global warming scientific minds, the earth was warmer in 1900 and even in 1950, than it is today. Dramatic climate change is always happening. Up and down, again and again.

God blessed us all with an Earth that adapts and although it changes all the time, it stays very much neutral.

And if you don't believe me that the hard Left want to shut up global warming speech unless it comes from their mouths, that's your problem, not mine.


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If you hate the United States so much, most of us, such as myself and many others, like the veterans we celebrate on Memorial Day, believe that you have no right to be here and spit on our values and government while taking from those who do love this country. Those who live here are living on the blood of those who fought to preserve this country, especially right now against radical Islam. I don’t forget about them. Not now. Not ever. I love this country, and I hate what’s happening to it right now.

First, might I broach on an item of intrest; I don't believe I ever stated that I hate this country. I have heard this SOO many times, that "if you don't like it, leave." The simple and undeniable fact is, as UNITED STATES CITIZENS, we should have the right to marry. This goes beyond the "moral" spectrum that we have been discussing for so long. There are GLB men and women IN IRAQ, coming home in body bags, to have their memories tainted by Fred Phelps. I have a friend who came back with her legs gone, and her "military pension" is like intrest in a bank; you hope that you might see some improvement, but it's only ¢43 worth.

You have NO RIGHT to dare say that none of us are patriotic, simply because we're not conservative. It's BI-partisan


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Like Al Gore and his like-minded pals who are trying to make it a crime for me, or us rather, to say, "Global warming isn't real."


Well, it isn't nice to lie, now isn't it? See, Gore, at least, made a documentary that may or may not have hard evidence backing it up (I haven't see it, so I can't say). Where's the Loose Change of global warming? The only rebuttals I've seen are similar to yours there: unproven, unsubstantiated, and made only to inflame.


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Y'all do know that Obama has a bit of Muslim religion education, right?

Why should that matter?


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Lol silver, you've got guts attacking an "oppressed/marginalized/disenfranchised/underdog" group in a left-wing forum. You do that your looking at a 5-vs-1 debate minimum.


Doesn't matter to me. That's what liberals and Lefties do. If they don't like something, they hound the author of said comments. Like Al Gore and his like-minded pals who are trying to make it a crime for me, or us rather, to say, "Global warming isn't real."

By the way, I had a good instinct that this site was left-wing. Liberals love the Internet. (see "Obama's girls" on YouTube.)

Y'all do know that Obama has a bit of Muslim religion education, right?


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Lol silver, you've got guts attacking an "opressed/marginalised/disenfranchised/underdog" group in a left-wing forum. You do that your looking at a 5-vs-1 debate minimum.
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That'd be like me trying to prove that heterosexuality sick because straight lovers have a higher risk of accidental pregnancies
Yep, acidental pregnancies are 'sick'. Humans are wierd, we're the only species on the planet that actually forcibly mitigates pregnancy. Well, certain parts of our species anyway.
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So, all you who hate my “high standards”, don’t even waste your breath trying to give me your self-loathing. Keep the hatred to yourself. I've got a life to live.
Ah, so your a fellow dismayed westener! Its decadence old boy, thats the cause of the insane-self-hatred on the west. If your societies reached the top of the hill, and your citizens live such comfortable decadent lives, it doesn't really matter anymore to them. Left-ism starts to set in. They attack their own race, society, country, whatever, it just doesn't matter anymore. Theres nothing else for the west to achieve anymore. The excitement of the colonial age has past, theres no where else to go, and nothing else we need.
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Now you can see how truly disgusted the heterosexual community, namely me, is at your parading and demand that you be treated as equals.


Who gave you the right to speak for the heterosexual community? Do you realize how many straights march in gay rights parades? Yeah. We're disgusted all right. Just not at gays.

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Gay lovers have the highest risk of STDs. That’s a proven scientific fact, ten years running.


Your proof was supposed to be for how homosexuality is sick (as in disgusting, immoral, depraved, etc.). This just proves gay sex is STD-prone. Nothing more. That'd be like me trying to prove that heterosexuality sick because straight lovers have a higher risk of accidental pregnancies than gay lovers. If you can see the irony in this, you get a cookie.

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Children raised in gay households have lower achievements in school and life than those born to straight parents.


Children raised in black or poor families have lower achievements in school and life than those born to rich, white parents. Guess we can't let blacks or poor people marry, eh?

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Sexually active high schoolers are at greater risk for depression and suicide. The risks almost double for same-sex people.


Now that is a outlandish claim if I've ever heard one. I knew a guy and a girl in high school who frequently bragged about how many girls or guys they'd laid (it was collectively over 30 by the end of senior year) and they were the happiest two people I ever knew.

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Isn’t that a violation of church and state, or do you, like the ACLU, like to turn a blind eye to religions outside Christianity?


I think you need to relearn just what separation of church and state is because that isn't violating it. No more than the ten commandments in a park is.


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Aye, me too.


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I'll do my best, GreenMod.


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Reality check on The American Dream.

"If you don't have a goal that you wish to achieve, then the American Dream will remain just that, a lofty dream with no reality to it." That's my own response to those folks out there who say there is none just because they hate the United States or give up on a dream they had.

Just because the American Dream is not defined in print doesn't mean that it must follow a fifties paradigm. If you wish to dwell on that, fine. No skin off my nose.

This is my American Dream right now:

Earn a Master's in Mathematics with a certification in Secondary Education and return to my alma mater to teach. I want to raise a dog that I can call my own best friend and become more involved in wolf preservation.

There you have it. That's my dream. It may change, but for now, that’s what I want.

If you hate the United States so much, most of us, such as myself and many others, like the veterans we celebrate on Memorial Day, believe that you have no right to be here and spit on our values and government while taking from those who do love this country.

Those who live here are living on the blood of those who fought to preserve this country, especially right now against radical Islam. I don’t forget about them. Not now. Not ever. I love this country, and I hate what’s happening to it right now.

So, all you who hate my “high standards”, don’t even waste your breath trying to give me your self-loathing. Keep the hatred to yourself. I've got a life to live.


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Registered: February 06, 2007
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Okay, folks. This is a rough subject, and people are angry on both sides. It may be an impossible request, but can we try to be civil to each other? Silver, you can be "ignorant" without throwing insults out there, and Jay, you can stop throwing them back... This isn't going to solve anything. I'm not saying "play nice." I'm saying, "play mature."


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Now you can see how truly disgusted the heterosexual community, namely me, is at your parading and demand that you be treated as equals.
One: we have a constitutional right that we are; 14th amendment.
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The "real backbone of this country?" I mean, come on. The "backbone" of this country is the single working mother, the poor kid who works in McDonalds, the middle-class parents wondering what the hell happened to the dreams they had, and how they settled. Also, being an adoptee, adoption is perfectly legal, as not available to most homosexual couples under religious and discriminatory practices. You think that these people are living up to the American Dream? There is NO SUCH THING! The American Dream, the four person household where Johnny plays football and Cindy is a cheerleader, and Daddy comes home to a hot meal after work every day that Mommy has cooked...that's a pipe dream. You cannot just pause in the middle of history and stay in the 50's forever; progression kicks in. We have to keep moving. The cracker who wrote the national anthem knew what he was doing. He set the word "free" to a note so high nobody can reach it. That was deliberate. Nothing on earth sounds less like freedom to me. I live in America, Silver, that's hard enough, I don't have to love it. You do that. Everybody's got to love something.
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I pity everyone out there who has two same-sex parents.
Actually, most kids I know, and all my friends know, with same-sex parents have had great upbringings, and they are VERY well rounded. The parents, contrary to popular belief, do NOT influence their kids to become gay (as if it was possible.) They tell their kids what their lifestyle is, and answer any questions. THAT'S IT. The only kids who I know who have had a bad upbringing with same-sex parents were the ones who got made fun of in school about it.
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Children raised in gay households have lower achievements in school and life than those born to straight parents.
Straight bullshit.
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This is a bit off topic: Sexually active high schoolers are at greater risk for depression and suicide. The risks almost double for same-sex people.
Guess why; the fact that in middle to high school, kids are the most vicious, verbally abusive-wise. Also, we live in a day and age where kids go to church more often where I live, and where "gay" is a synonym for stupid.
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If President Bush’s religious beliefs are a violation of church and state, then why have Muslims had foot-baths built for them in public places recently?
I do agree with you on this topic, however. No special treatment for ANY religion.
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Here’s another. Oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico that have Muslim workers now have prayer rooms for five-a-day worship. That’s a church and state violation if I ever saw one, in the architectural plans, anyway. I know some folks from ******* ******** who are outraged at these installments. If you know the company, let’s hear it.
However, this is not Government property. If it is, then the gov't has a lot to answer for as to why we're in Iraq.
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Bush has every right to demand that gay marriage be banned. We all do, the “all of us” who actually care for something other than our pleasure and company. That “putting people down” stems from the loons who support a new measure that makes it a crime to preach against gays. So what if your feelings get hurt? It’s not like we white men squeal and cry to the police when someone calls us “white trash” or "racist" or “interlopers.” Thank you, Al Sharpton. *scoffs*
"Who care for something other than our own pleasure or company?" Come on now. That's bullshit and you know it. The reason we're trying to get this legislation past is NOT for "he's making fun of me" reasons; it's against defamation, and it's for TOLERENCE. I don't care WHAT they preach in church, but if it inspires hatred, then fuck that, i'm going to protest it whether it's against homosexuality, or believing that aliens were responsible for the Holocaust. Why don't you actually ask someone who supports anti-defamation bills before ratelling off on "what they believe," without any founded evidence? And besides, the White thing you suggested to is on an intirely different level than this; however, I don't like Al Sharpton, either.
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Don’t any of you realize that three of the ten Fort Dix terrorists were illegals running across the Mexican Border, and that every last one of them was from the former Yugoslavia? I wonder how fast the Liberals in Congress would about-face if the attack had succeeded and this information became more public?
You seem to exclude the fact that some of the worst terrorist attacks on the US were by CITIZENS and supporters and believers in the FAR RELIGIOUS RIGHT! McVeigh, the Unibomber, all the abortion clinic bombings and assasinations by Army of God...plus many more.
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I won’t back down, regardless of how ignorant people think I am.
By the way, that doesn't imply strength; it implies stupidity.

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I love tearing down the other side


Now that I'm here, that'll probably change. Smile

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Sorry I couldn’t read the satire, Jay-Boy. Whoops. That’s insulting to Jay Adams. My bad.


Rude.

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That’s a proven scientific fact, ten years running. Children raised in gay households have lower achievements in school and life than those born to straight parents.


Dude, if you're going make claims such as this, you're basically obligated to offer reference as to where you got that information or else we'll all assume you made it up.

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Sexually active high schoolers are at greater risk for depression and suicide. The risks almost double for same-sex people.


I laugh at this...

(<-- Depressed and Suicidal Heterosexual Virgin)

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I won’t back down, regardless of how ignorant people think I am.


You're not ignorant. I'm sure you're very smart, but acting like an asshole and making "jokes" that attack the gay YNers, like most of the conservatives that come in here, will do nothing but make more people ignore what you have to say and deepen their dislike for those with right-wing political views. It sucks, but that's how people are. Everywhere.

I swear, I sometimes wonder if people like you and Anne Coulter were hired by some underground Liberal organization to make the Conservative side look horribly bad on purpose. Your douchiness is not as bad as that of Reactionary, from back in the day, but it's getting there...
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I’ve been gone a while. Sorry. Work and college planning will do that.

I love tearing down the other side, now that I’ve had some time, three years worth, to reflect on my beliefs and the horrors of America’s undercurrent. My oldest and most recent posts gap by that much.

Sorry I couldn’t read the satire, Jay-Boy. Whoops. That’s insulting to Jay Adams. My bad.

I’m glad that the gay community is speaking out. Now you can see how truly disgusted the heterosexual community, namely me, is at your parading and demand that you be treated as equals.

Now, clpo13 wants evidence. Ok. Non-CSI style, citations left out. Ignore at your own risk.

Gay lovers have the highest risk of STDs. That’s a proven scientific fact, ten years running.
Children raised in gay households have lower achievements in school and life than those born to straight parents.
This is a bit off topic: Sexually active high schoolers are at greater risk for depression and suicide. The risks almost double for same-sex people.

I can see the “Uh-uh” and "You Forgot" responses now. Basic as they are, these are the ones I know to be true.

Now, Outspokenlesbian69, I’d like to ask.

If President Bush’s religious beliefs are a violation of church and state, then why have Muslims had foot-baths built for them in public places recently? Isn’t that a violation of church and state, or do you, like the ACLU, like to turn a blind eye to religions outside Christianity? I, for one, do not like seeing a man’s dirty foot in a public sink. But for goodness sake, go home and do that.

Here’s another. Oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico that have Muslim workers now have prayer rooms for five-a-day worship. That’s a church and state violation if I ever saw one, in the architectural plans, anyway. I know some folks from ******* ******** who are outraged at these installments. If you know the company, let’s hear it.

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Absolutley not! That is too much, too personal, there are way more important things for Bush to be working on than destroying lives, crushing dreams and putting people down.


I’m sorry. Did I hear that right?

Bush has every right to demand that gay marriage be banned. We all do, the “all of us” who actually care for something other than our pleasure and company. That “putting people down” stems from the loons who support a new measure that makes it a crime to preach against gays. So what if your feelings get hurt? It’s not like we white men squeal and cry to the police when someone calls us “white trash” or "racist" or “interlopers.” Thank you, Al Sharpton. *scoffs*

The “destroyed lives and crushed dreams” will seep from the people of this country if Bush and the government allows illegals amnesty.

Don’t any of you realize that three of the ten Fort Dix terrorists were illegals running across the Mexican Border, and that every last one of them was from the former Yugoslavia? I wonder how fast the Liberals in Congress would about-face if the attack had succeeded and this information became more public?

So, there you have it. My best response for tonight. I can say more, I want to say more, but I’ve got work in the morning. And, aleeksandra118, if France is so feministic and great place, how come the French didn’t vote for a woman? If she didn’t make it over there, there’s not a snowball’s chance in Hell that Hillary Clinton will make it here.

Keep the rants coming. I won’t back down, regardless of how ignorant people think I am.]



MOD EDIT: SilverWerewolf. You can disagree without throwing needless insults at people.

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No. Especially since his reasons have to do with his Christianity. That would almost be like him forcing his religion on all of America.


Exactly... everyone has their own belief. Didn't that use to be the beauty of America? free speech, whatever religion you wanted to be and all that. Were a free country to the extent we can't amrry who we want?
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hee hee, that's a movie...

But no, he should not be able to because ... *insert various cuss words here* and because he needs to realize that people are equal and that ... ugghh, i don't like him.


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He should not be able to ban gay marriage. It is I think a violation of the constitution, it also goes against the core democratic value The Pursuit Of Happiness.


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I think no-one has the right to say the way a person should veiw the opposite sex. To me that sounds like a violation of freedom.


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