Then again, this whole thread, at least as I understood it, was supposed to be about marriages.

ummm Barkid, you should make your resources available. I did not know the homosexuals only accoutned for 1% of the population. The last time I checked, it was 10.6%, which is actually closer to eleven percent.

OK, kerry did to say that. Read the newspaper once in a while instead of "Mother Jones."

This one is from a gay/lesbian site

And one from CNN.com

Also check out HR 3396, 9/10/96. Vote to pass a bill to prohibit marriage between members of the same sex in federal law, and to provide that no state is required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. John Kerry Voted NO.

So he says he is against it, and then he votes for it, and then is against. I'm not sure I beleive him on any issue and you may not either (but he wasn't my candidate), but he did clearly say that he was against gay marriage.

One more, just for kicks.

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No one seems to want to own a homosexual

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I was not aware they were for sale, the kids would love one for Christmas!!!

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Only 10% of the population is gay. Therefore cannot stop the banning of gay marriage without help.

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10%!?!? The old 1 dude out of 10 is gay argument will not fly in here, regardless of placing the word "only" in front of it, try like 1% to 5% if that.

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North and now yogore is trying to tell me that everyone who voted for it was a genius political strategist who understood all of the potential macro-political effects that it could have.

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you misunderstood. It was this I was replying to saying "not all, but surely a good number otherwise it wouldn't have passed". I am aware that blacks couldn't vote.

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And there are democracts, especially in the south, who support a ban on gay marriage. Even John Kerry was against it.

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And there are republicans for it. It is not party specific. Not all democrats are for it and not all republicans are against it. And you're confusing against it with no stated opinion on it. John Kerry never said that he thought gay marriage should be banned.

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And there are democracts, especially in the south, who support a ban on gay marriage. Even John Kerry was against it.

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He said to let it to the states. No Presidential candidate with half a brain will say something as radical as "Yes, I support it" or "No, I don't" on an issue such as gay marruage or abortion because then the opposing party will use that and only that against him. For example, he was called immoral by many repubs for not wanting to ban abortion or gay marriage.

The so-called Nation of Freedom is less free than other nations. Even the ex-commies. Alas, how I laugh.

I've said it before, so I'll summarize it again:

The U.S. allows for the freedom of religion. Religion, therefore, should be able to do what it likes in the confines of legality.

We should not proclaim it illegal, because it would be affecting religion, thereby causing a chain reaction and religion would no longer contain the same level of liberty.

However, a civil union, organized by the state, should be legal for gay couples and have the same benefits as a marriage.

By the way, why does a marriage have more benefits in the state if the marriage is performed by a religious affiliate?

PS (for anyone who couldn't guess) - This post includes some fact and some opinion.

Actually none of them voted because they couldn't vote then. So the percentage of Black people who voted for the 13th amendment banning slavery was 0 percent.

And there are democracts, especially in the south, who support a ban on gay marriage. Even John Kerry was against it.

Not all, but surely a good number, otherwise it wouldn't have passed.

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No one seems to want to own a homosexual, AND we're all people with legal standing. So that doesn't say too much for the gay vote for an amendment to ban marriage.

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Only 10% of the population is gay. Therefore cannot stop the banning of gay marriage without help.

That wasn't really the point of my comment. Blacks didn't vote for it (for whatever reason) and it was still passed. North and now yogore is trying to tell me that everyone who voted for it was a genius political strategist who understood all of the potential macro-political effects that it could have.

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Slavery was abolished by amendment and not a single Black voted for it.

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Yeah but did your history book forget to tell you that blacks were not only disenfranchised (that is unable to vote), but also had no legal standing except as property until that amendment?

No one seems to want to own a homosexual, AND we're all people with legal standing. So that doesn't say too much for the gay vote for an amendment to ban marriage.

Just because you don't buy it doesn't make it untrue.

The average american who voted to abolish slavery was not thinking in those terms. Are you saying that we didn't really want to abolish slavery but that Joe American didn't want to get invaded by Britain. I don't buy that.

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Slavery was abolished by amendment and not a single Black voted for it. We haven't done that bad.

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That's because we did not want to get invaded by England. Once we had the "Emancipation Proclimation" we had a moral cause. And during reconstruction, Abolitionist Republicans dominated the senate, being that the South was not allowed to vote.

Slavery is a human torture. Gay marriage is not.

Slavery was abolished by amendment and not a single Black voted for it. We haven't done that bad.

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First of all, there are plenty of athiests and non-christians who are against gay-marriage.

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You would be hard pressed to find one, though. They are very elusive creatures.

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The majority of the U.S. is against gay marrige so an amendment is not that out of line.

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It's a good thing that the white, christian majority has historically protected the rights of minorities.

He doesn't want people to stop being gay. He wants marriage protected in law as the union between on man and one woman.

No there is nothing in the US constitution saying that is legal or illegal. This leads to an amendment either banning or allowing gays to marry. The majority of the U.S. is against gay marrige so an amendment is not that out of line.

I'm not gay but that doesn't mean other people aren't or can't be. Just because Bush doesn't think people who are gay should be married doesn't give him the right to trample over over people's beliefs. And even if he does add a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage doesn't mean people who are gay will just change their beliefs and feelings, those are the only things we can't change.

It isn't his decision, quite frankly, but at the same time I don't think it's fair to have a couple traveling through different states and having their marriage only count in some and not in others.

Also, there isn't an exact law saying that it's legal, but is there anything saying it's illegal?

Personally, I'd like to get married to the girl of my dreams and have a big ol' Catholic ceremony and everyting.