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Well, I'd love to here them if they don't sit and whine all day long.

Well, you said yourself in another thread women should stay at home to be mothers. That proves that we lack the same rights, because you have implied we are only meant to bear children in this world. Under that logic, your husband may **** other women, because his only purpose would be to spread his seed around.

I'm a feminist. Not a whiny one, not a **** one, just a feminist. My goal in life is to break every female stereotype out there, I already have broken a few. I wish to make more money than my husband, but that is simply because I need to be in control of everything and everyone.

Well, I'd love to here them if they don't sit and whine all day long.

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And my friend Matt said when I play guitar it turns him on...*twitch* ew

I know a guy like that. Only he turns himself on. He's really friggin scary.

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Pretty much all I hear from feminist groups are "Whine, whine, whine, whine, he's not treating us like princesses" and it's really start to tick me off.

If you were to hear some that I know, you wouldn't hear that.

Pretty much all I hear from feminist groups are "Whine, whine, whine, whine, he's not treating us like princesses" and it's really start to tick me off.

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Originally posted by depressedwavemaster:
Feminism is bull****. It's reversed sexism so now the men are the brunt of the jokes. It would be extremely bad taste and looked down upon for women to be joked at, but now we see taboo reversed and become the norm. I am sure I speak for all men when I say that this is a horrible travesty and it is not right. Women and men are equal. Women are not better than us. We are not better than them. Feminism has gone too far.

The only good thing it has done is futher the Transgender Revolution. For that, I am thankful.

It depends on your definition of feminism. Personally I consider feminism the belief that men and women are equal. But I have to agree with you on the fact that there's a lot of anti-boy stuff out there and that's wrong. Men and women are equal, that goes both ways.

And I totally agree that presidents should be chosen based on skills, etc., not race/gender/.

[/QUOTE]I'm against them because their just walking around and spinning batons so some guys at home can jack off.
And every time you masturbate god kills a puppy[/QUOTE]

Haha. I like the puppy comment. Its kinda evil but really really funny!Yea, they are pointless, but so is alot of stuff people enjoy. I mean at least beauty pageants can be a motivation not to get fat. I like to skateboard, and thats kinda pointless, since I suck. And my friend Matt said when I play guitar it turns him on...*twitch* ew.....But so, anything we do can be pointless, or a turn on for somebody.....



[/QUOTE]I'm fine with being treated slightly differently but a lot of the guys I know think that women are only here for their sexual amusement.

And I have realized that there are many femi-nazis.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, thats just cuz guys are horn dogs. And I know girls who think a guy is just there for them to play with (Mostly emotionally. You know, head games, make em think they are getting some...Evil B!tches...) So girls are just as guilty, and the sexual things will never go away.

And I know some feminists are not evil, and straight from hell. Some are out for the good of woman kind.

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But how can you be against beauty pageants? If a girl wishes to look her best, and flaunt it in front of ahh-ing onlookers, all the best to her. Run with it. And many beauty pageants offer scholarships, or some sort of prize

I'm against them because their just walking around and spinning batons so some guys at home can jack off.
And every time you masturbate god kills a puppy

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Feminism is not really about equal rights anymore. It really cant be, as women now are treated almost exactly the same as men. Now, if you are saying "almost, thats the problem. it should be exactly." Well, DUH! Of course it SHOULD be, but its not, and never will be. Why? Because we ARE different. Women will always be treated differently from men, for many reasons.

I'm fine with being treated slightly differently but a lot of the guys I know think that women are only here for their sexual amusement.

And I have realized that there are many femi-nazis.

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I'm also against Beauty Pageants but that's just because their stupid and a waste of time.

I am going to say this as a girl who is not in any way shape or form a 'girly girl.' I more fit into tomboy/punk. But how can you be against beauty pageants? If a girl wishes to look her best, and flaunt it in front of ahh-ing onlookers, all the best to her. Run with it. And many beauty pageants offer scholarships, or some sort of prize. More power to the chicks who do it, in my opinion. But anyway, onto my rant on feminism..

Feminism is not really about equal rights anymore. It really cant be, as women now are treated almost exactly the same as men. Now, if you are saying "almost, thats the problem. it should be exactly." Well, DUH! Of course it SHOULD be, but its not, and never will be. Why? Because we ARE different. Women will always be treated differently from men, for many reasons.
I do not like how now men are often discriminated against. The feminists of the 60's, God love em, did a lot. So now, feminism should just be about keeping it equal, but its not. Im not saying all feminists are femi-nazis, but most are. If you dont want to be discriminated against, prove yourself. No one can stare down the fact that you ARE good, and if they do, THEN report it, as I would tell any male the same. Dont whine, get out there, work work work, and PROVE you are the best. Otherwise, go cry in a corner.

I have yet to meet one, Queen.

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Feminists are making females look like stupid, whiny, uneducated brats

Overly Feminist feminists. I know lots of feminists who aren't like that.

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Women and men are equal. Women are not better than us. We are not better than them. Feminism has gone too far

Though men and women are equal, not all guys think that way. Sadly I know many guys like that.

And I'm feminist, I think that men and women are equal and should be treated so. I'm also against Beauty Pageants but that's just because their stupid and a waste of time.

I agree with you blue. Feminists are making females look like stupid, whiny, uneducated brats.

I completely agree with you. I generally feel completely annoyed by feminism as I think it is overplayed. I absolutely believe in equality, and we can see that, legally, this has been achieved for women. I just feel, though, that the way men and women interact is not ever going to be equal. I believe that feminism has gone a little too far. We need to realize that the way men think of women and the way women think of men will always be very different. This is in no way a bad thing, and I think people need to realize that.

Someone recently made a post on chivalry which I thought was very interesting. They said that they believed that the old concept of chivalry was offensive to women, when I find it completely flattering. I do hope that feminists don't kill chivalry altogether. I would be very, very sad.

there are different ways on how to empower women. However, putting men down is not the way to go. It is like beating someone to feel powerful and superior.

My brother took a Women's Studies course with the same intention, to meet more girls. Yeah, it didn't work out well for him either.

I was debating on taking a women's studies class so I meet more girls from my college, then I was informed that this has been attempted before and generally is not a pleasant experience for the guy.

I have taken a Women's Studies class and their were alot of femenist in the class, not one of them started ranting on about hating men, and being better than men and ruling men. What we did talk about though was depictions of women in the media (not a positive light), women in the work place, and common social inequality's. That is what the feminist movement is all about. I love men and i don't associate feminism with male hating.

I agree that some women take feminism too far, but I also think that a product of that is that women who point out inequalities that still exist in today's world are immediately labeled "feminazis" and their opinions are discounted.
There *is* a double standard, just not a government-sanctioned one - it's alright for women to work, as long as they take responsiblity for the house and kids, too. The man is still seen primarily as the breadwinner, and the woman as the caretaker. But if a girl points this out to guys in a group discussion, odds are they'll roll their eyes and call her a feminist.
So yeah - the feminazis are completely hypocritical and detrimental to intelligent conversation, but they don't represent all feminists

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Originally posted by bluedemocrat:
I think some females are happy as stay-at-home-moms because that is traditional for females. Some women are still comfortable with their husband controlling their life financially.

I don't know why it's surprising to anyone that women desire to be taken care of (or controlled, whatever) by their male counterparts. By that token, shouldn't it be just as surprising that men wish to continue in their traditional role as "caretaker" of the household?

I don't know. All I know is feminism as it was when it was originated was for political, social and economical equality, not women's power over men or superiority. There is no superior gender; there's absolutely no superiority in feminism at all. Not for men, not for women.

Btw, to whomever said "to continue what the men have started," that was kind of a sexist statement (even though I know you didn't mean it that way.) Men did not START civilization. Men and women historically had a more equal role when our ancestors first got up on our two feet. In point of fact, women did much of the hunting, as new archeological artifacts have found by the wearing on the bones. It was when government began to developed that women took a submissive backseat to the beginnings of civilized culture.

All that aside, feminism has been lost to the rantings of disassociated women so thoroughly focused on the downfalls of our "male-dominated" culture (the pay gap especially) than to look at the bright future ahead of us. No progress has ever been made by dwelling on the past without a thought of the future. THAT'S what out early twentieth century women knew. They could ***** and moan, but they put their noses to the grindstone instead of their head up their ***.

I'm done.

I don't think that a woman should win, if she were to run for president, just because she's a woman. I think that if a woman was in the running she should have to know just as much as the male canidates. She should be just as intelligent as the other canidates.

A woman should NOT feel that the only place for her is at home. If men and women were equal then a woman should be able to go out, have a job, and be able to bring home the bread...just like a man. Women are here just to have children, we're here to help contribute to what the men have started.