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Picture of Tonic
Registered: April 01, 2007
Posts: 96
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Oh can I make a really cool statement about the starting post?

Okay, lets say we stick all the gay people in jail (I'm not saying being gay is wrong I'm just making a point), that is removing a huge sector of the working population. Plus, you go to jail, you interact with realy criminals, possibly get raped, learn possible criminal behaviours, if you every get out, you're going to be very angry, and possibly actually become an offender.


Sleep now, and rest your head, in the morning you'll be dead, no don't cry, please don't dread, cause life is only one path we tread.
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Registered: April 01, 2007
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Like I said, I could be wrong. I don't really have any proof to back my statement, I was just always under the impression that it was in the bible.


Sleep now, and rest your head, in the morning you'll be dead, no don't cry, please don't dread, cause life is only one path we tread.
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Show me where. I know several verses people use that are misinterpreted or obviously misued. You need to take it in context, and not single out any one verse. You need to look at the language it was originally written in, and not trust blindly your bibles at home. Show me these verses.


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Picture of Tonic
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Actually Shade, I think it does say somewhere in the bible that it is wrong. I could be wrong though, but the bible says a lot of things that were only put in there because of cultural differences, so its hard to diferintiate.


Sleep now, and rest your head, in the morning you'll be dead, no don't cry, please don't dread, cause life is only one path we tread.
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Ok Jaymeister, that is exactly why we, as christians, dont believe it is right for people to be gay

Why would you say that? It doesn't say anywhere in the bible that it's wrong.


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Registered: December 20, 2004
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Originally posted by Ilive4Him:
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Originally posted by Jaymeister:
If Christ refued to stone a woman in the public square who committed adultery, why would he have so much unreserved hatred for homosexuals, as your neo-theocratical world states?


Ok Jaymeister, that is exactly why we, as christians, dont believe it is right for people to be gay, but we dont HATE them for being that way, it's not our right to judge them, it's God's right....and He will judge them on judgement day.

You say it's not right to judge, but to me it seems that you are judging homosexuals in all. Why do you not put into action what you say?


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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we, as christians, dont believe it is right for people to be gay


Right, the whole "hate the sin, not the sinner" thing. The problem is this: you may claim not to hate the sinner, but you still are. It's impossible to hate what a person does yet avoid hating the person. Try the example of a child molester. It's nearly impossible to avoid hating the person, even though it's their actions that (according to you) should be hated. You may claim not to judge, but it's impossible not to.

Anyways, this still rests on the idea that homosexuality is indeed a sin, which the Bible is anything but clear on. I've read the verses, but they seem to be forbidding certain circumstances of homosexuality, not homosexuality in general. I mean "man lying with another man as with a woman"? What does that even mean? It can be interpreted many, many different ways.


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Registered: October 28, 2005
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I would like to point out that not all chritians think like you, Ilive4Him. Please stop speaking for all of them.


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Registered: March 26, 2007
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Originally posted by Jaymeister:
If Christ refued to stone a woman in the public square who committed adultery, why would he have so much unreserved hatred for homosexuals, as your neo-theocratical world states?


Ok Jaymeister, that is exactly why we, as christians, dont believe it is right for people to be gay, but we dont HATE them for being that way, it's not our right to judge them, it's God's right....and He will judge them on judgement day.
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Registered: April 01, 2007
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Yesterday I was talking to a friend and I told him that me and my friends were going to go out drinking.

He said, drinking is wrong and I said, what if you're legal? Then he said homosexuality is legal in some places, doesn't make that right.

This got me thinking, are the majority of people out there like that? Or just the people I know.


Sleep now, and rest your head, in the morning you'll be dead, no don't cry, please don't dread, cause life is only one path we tread.
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Registered: January 21, 2004
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everyone is entitled to there own opinions, however close minded they are. how are we suppost to come together and beat the follies of the world with people spreading such hate! homosexuality should be embraced. i have had many homosexual friends throught the years and not one was a bad person. and the they should all be put in jail part? thats just ignorence. learn to love everyone as your equal, as a brother or sister, peace.


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Registered: February 12, 2007
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Originally posted by veggiechick08:
I just thought I might point out that you are perpetuating intolerance in an area called 'ending the isms.' Kinda ironic.

you have to admit however, that heresay isn't entirely her fault. I doubt there is a real formulated reason as to WHY she doesn't believe we should recieve the same protection guaranteed to us by the Constitution. The good thing abou this is that "An arguement is stripped of its power, its eloquence and its meaning when left with no ideals." We don't have to worry, because PrincessMonica12's article has no pwer to it when it's "just NOT RIGHT!"


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Registered: March 16, 2007
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I just thought I might point out that you are perpetuating intolerance in an area called 'ending the isms.' Kinda ironic.


"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." -Anne Frank
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Registered: February 12, 2007
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If Christ refued to stone a woman in the public square who committed adultery, why would he have so much unreserved hatred for homosexuals, as your neo-theocratical world states?


Quand il vient au mariage, je choisis le choix.
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Registered: March 11, 2007
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People should have the right to love whom ever they want to no matter the sex. My aunt and her life mate had to go to denver to get married and that is wrong. They are now pregnant by artificial insemination, they are going to be wonderful parents. Anyone who thinks that gay couples wont be good parents and yet straight couples will are completely wrong. My mom is straight and my biological father was a complete loser, and her new husband is not the best guy either. I dont see how it is wrong to be gay that would be like me saying its wrong to be straight. You, are one messed up person to think that...


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Registered: March 22, 2007
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you know what???

its great that ur religious and all and i respect that but really... theres something called EVOLUTION. did u kno that there were somethings called DINOSAURS and HUMANS or HOMOSAPIENS came from ape-like creatures that evolved over time. mamals werent around for aloooong time. what kind of ignorant person are u????

are u gonna say that the HALOCAUST never happened.. oh wait.... white people never enslaved AFRICAN AMERICANS!!!!!!

that comment sounded so biggest and prejudist and very messed up.


u dont support free love..... so u dont support life.


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Picture of finn620
Registered: January 16, 2004
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My God? Where is it? I ate it.


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Registered: May 18, 2006
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Ha...yes, kate, rejoice in having left your blasphemous mother behind you. Just don't come to me thinking I'll give you access to my casks.
Well, who'd have ever thought I'd have to face such horrible lies from my own mother?

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the fusion of dill havarti and Swedish crispbread into one great deity

But where is your god you speak of?

The other problem I have with the bible is what about the dinasaurs? Where are the dinasaurs in the bible?


It must be lovely to wake up in the morning and understand everything.
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Registered: January 16, 2004
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Ah, biblical people didn't fret over such technicalities. It's all clearly human error and ignorance.


L'enfer, c'est les autres. -Jean-Paul Sartre
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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Maybe. But here's a question that few people address. When Cain was exiled, where did he go? How did he marry? To whom did he travel? The people he visited had already been established. Sure humans lived a long time back then, but god, not that long. Also, his was the first murder, and murder was established early in human history. *strokes chin* Hmm?


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