Me and gatorade had a mail conversation when I couldn't log on to the boards for some reason, and let's check how it went. I'll be updating this as it goes on.

First, I inform him I'm bisexual and that I know I did NOT choose to be this way. Couldn't find the actual text. I know I said that rap is bad music, though.

Gatorade:dont judge my music, and i dont care what u think because i know whats right. the way you feel is sad and wrong. people choose to be gay. and thats all there is to it.

Me:I can't believe this. To claim that someone with firsthand experience knows less about homosexuality than you? I know that I did not choose to be this way, both me and my brother are. It's genetic. And no, before you say so, there is no incest. I, myself, am buddhist. I don't preach god, I only try to make people happy and eliminate hatred. To find any form of love as wrong because you are loving the wrong thing is a surefire way to just spread hatred and discontent. Me? I'm extremely hateful of you, and yet I try to use more logic than just " i dont care what u think because i know whats right." There is no absolute truth in this world ethically, any type of love can be false or for personal gain. And I feel sorry for you, not because you haven't been saved by jesus or some ****, which you probably think you have, but because you have started hating a form of love and claiming that the people in this catergory know less about it than you? Please, I ask you, try not to hate love. That will only lead to unhappiness and me possibly telling people to send you viruses.

So... uh... yeah.
Back me up, Spooch.

Now now icm, let's not being to discriminate this christian religion. Those who believe in it chose too because it's their faith, not yours. No matter how much you think christians are irrational thoughless morons, they don't think that of themselves because that's their faith. Besides... what am i saying? This topic is about homosexuality being wrong, not about how narrow-minded christians. Right?

For all you Christians out there who hate homosexuals, you're not Christians at all. Christians are supposed to be people who care for everybody regardless of who they are. So PrincessMonica12 and sweetNkrazy4U, don't call yourself Christians because you obviously don't know what being a Christian means.

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nevermind icm91, im'ma pray for all of ya'll. ya'll some crazy lil *******. i hope ya'll get ya'll facts right before judgement day. peace!!!

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Here my friends we have the perfect example of the typical christian: Can dish it, but can't take it. A christian telling me to get my facts rights. Hah! Being Christian means, pardon this expression, giving up your god given reason. What do the following two people have in common: Someone who believes that a man can walk on water and be born from a virgin and someone who claims that little men with pitchforks live in the center of the earth and little green men live on mars? They're both irrational, thoughtless, morons, who are cruely depriving a village somewhere of their idiot.

[This message was edited by YNLissa on July 27, 2003 at 04:59 AM.]

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aww, man...im'ma pray for you.

nevermind icm91, im'ma pray for all of ya'll. ya'll some crazy lil *******. i hope ya'll get ya'll facts right before judgement day. peace!!!

if ya'll never hear from me after this, it's because i'm tired of provin' ya'll wrong and it not getting through.

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O-okay. I'm sure God doesn't really want his children calling each other names like "*******" (thought that's actually spelled incorrectly). And I have a funny feeling icm, and many of us, don't care to ever hear from you again.
Maybe you should pray to God, asking him to bestow a bit of tolerance in your heart.


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[This message was edited by YNLissa on July 27, 2003 at 04:57 AM.]

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...the bible is obviously one big lie.

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aww, man...im'ma pray for you.

nevermind icm91, im'ma pray for all of ya'll. ya'll some crazy lil *******. i hope ya'll get ya'll facts right before judgement day. peace!!!

if ya'll never hear from me after this, it's because i'm tired of provin' ya'll wrong and it not getting through.

[This message was edited by YNLissa on July 27, 2003 at 04:56 AM.]

PrincessMonica, you say the most dumbest statement Ive heard. Adam & Eve? Ummm... I hate to tell you, but that has been proven wrong years ago. Who told you bible-pushers-fanatics that homosexuality is wrong? Did God come down and tell you that personally? Or was it that priest that brainwashed you before he sexually harrased you?

Personally, I do not believe that homosexualtiy is wrong. I do not believe it is a choice. These beliefs, however, have little to do with my reasons for treating homosexual and bisexual people with dignity and respect. I am a United States citizen, and as such I live under a legal code that states that "all men are created equal." This inherant equality demands equal treatment of all people, regarless of any outside factors. This country also espouses the ideal of free speech. This requires me to respect the right of every person to express him or herself in any manner he or she sees fit.

I would also like to address the religious aspect of this argument. I am a Christian, and I believe that the Bible is open to interpretation on the subject of homosexuality. However, I believe that your church's teachings on the subject are irrelevant when determining how to treat homosexuals and bisexuals within the context of Christianity. I have never heard of a Christian denomination that does not agree that Chrisians are called to love all people regardless of any sins we believe they have commited, or one that does not teach that Christians should forgive. Every church I have heard of teaches that judgement is God's job, not ours. So even if you think homosexuality and bisexuality are sins, it is not an excuse for you to treat gay and bi people differently from anyone else. I challenge anyone who acts negatively towards them for religious reasons to reexamine the underlying teachings of their faith.

I would also like to state that I do not think that insults and offensive remarks have any place in the YouthNOISE forums. It is possible to express all views in a polite, calm and intellectual manner. If you cannot find a way to state your case respectfully, perhaps you should rethink your arguments. Let's work together to keep YouthNOISE a positive space for everyone.

For the record, I'm not a homo. I do, however, have bi/homosexual friends and it's not their choice. If you are straight and experiment- you'll find you won't enjoy it (my straight friend has told me). If you are homosexual or bisexual you'll find it sexually enticing. I still don't understand why you people have problems with people that don't have the same sexual prefrence as you do. They're normal people- and it's not like my lesbian friends hit on every girl out there. Your assumptions are rude and uneducated.

it all comes down to freedom of choice i think they have a right to do whatever they want its not our life its theirs, just let them be, although i do find it a little weird seeing to guys kissing, no thanks ill pass on that :P

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thats just plain stupid! people are not born gay, or homosexual! they choose to be that way and it's the wrong choice!

by the way are you a homo? cuz thats the only reason i can think of for you to feel that way.

I think it's awful you feel that way. People can't help being homosexual anymore than you can help what color your skin or hair is. Give it a rest and open your mind, dammit.

the majority of people who are homophobic are in fact homosexual but won't admit it to themselves. homophobia is just another way of limiting yourself and letting yourself fall into what society feeds you. love is love no matter what form it's in, and don't ever try to change that.

heres something to joggle your brain a bit: what if homosexuality is a part of evolution? maybe we are over populating, so homosexuality is a way of reducing the output of new humans? you never know...its a choice and nothing but a choice, and if you look at what reality is, its what one choses to believe, the only reason things are wrong, is because a certain amount of people believe it to be wrong, people are slowly opening their minds a bit, and homophobes are slowly becoming out numbered...i think that the comment that started this was ignorant and blind, people need to wake up...

2 me its agenst the rules [rejesly speeking] and grose but thats my opinyun [lol i cant spell lol] i think that thous ppl should be intitled 2 date who they want but i still think its grose

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Here in lies the problem with religion, it was designed for people with nothing, who lived thousands of years ago. It simply cannot be applied to modern day life, it has lost its purpose and causes so much hate.

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I couldn't have said it better.

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People choose to drink, does anybody get mad at them? People choose how they dress and how they live, does anybody get mad at them? Homosexuals are just being who they are. It's their decision. Maybe one day homosexuals and heterosexuals will all be treated equal.

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Just playing devil's advocate here, but yes, people do get mad when certain people choose to drink. And yes, people do get mad when certain people dress and live a certain way. In some parts of the world, and even in the United States, ***** and heteros are being treated equally. It's wonderful. But it is sad that in some places they aren't. Who are we to judge? Hey, the "natural" thing might really be homosexuality and we may just have all been misled and fooling ourselves.

I hate how there are these people who are blindly homophobic. Gays and lesbians are human beings too, but here we go again with stupid ol' religion screwing things up. Since the bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman, being gay must be horrible. Here in lies the problem with religion, it was designed for people with nothing, who lived thousands of years ago. It simply cannot be applied to modern day life, it has lost its purpose and causes so much hate. Gay people should have every right to be married and live their life without being ridiculed. Intolerence of their life style is what's wrong.

Being gay is NOT wrong! It's just a choice that you can't decide. It's fate that you're gay. There is nothing wrong wish loving. Even if it means someone of the same sex.

I think homosexuality is wrong but I'm not like those other people out there. I won't discriminate against them and I won't put them down bcuz of who they are. They chose to become that and that is their choice. If people don't like their choices then too bad. People choose to drink, does anybody get mad at them? People choose how they dress and how they live, does anybody get mad at them? Homosexuals are just being who they are. It's their decision. Maybe one day homosexuals and heterosexuals will all be treated equal. We all choose how we live, so why are we getting mad at people who did just that? But if there is still people out there like PrincessMonica12, who have absolutely no consideration for a person's right to choose how they live, then I guess homosexuals and heterosexuals would never be treated equal.