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Originally posted by Jenlove:
Myvoicecounts, you have completely twisted supersmartie3's words as well as mine. Supersmartie3 obviously supports gay marriage and has stated that we can't use the Bible as an "excuse." I was asking Supersmartie3 if she thinks that the Bible is irrelevant as a guide. All you have done is gotten in the way to make up lies and claim that you're "always right." I don't appreciate you talking to me like I am a child. I am 4 years older than you I know what I am talking about.

You know I appreciate you giving your views I'm just saying I have my views to and If your say what you have to say then I have the right so say what I have to say. I not trying to be this horible person. I just have my views!!! I hope you respect them!!! Because even though I have these nasty comments. I do care... And maybe I'm talking to you like a child because when I was 4 or 5 I was being talked to like an adult and I've never really been a child...


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Myvoicecounts, you have completely twisted supersmartie3's words as well as mine. Supersmartie3 obviously supports gay marriage and has stated that we can't use the Bible as an "excuse." I was asking Supersmartie3 if she thinks that the Bible is irrelevant as a guide. All you have done is gotten in the way to make up lies and claim that you're "always right." I don't appreciate you talking to me like I am a child. I am 4 years older than you I know what I am talking about.

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Originally posted by Myvoicecounts:
So I agree will your statement all the way because god made one man and one women to be together not a man and a man or a women and a women!!!!

That's not what your mom said last night.

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Originally posted by Jenlove:

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i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.

supersmartie3, correct me if I am wrong but it seems like you are claiming that just because not everything is obeyed in the Bible at all times, that Christians should not use the Bible as a guide. At all. I mean yes, we all make mistakes and do things that are not what God intended but that doesn't mean we should throw the Bible out and do whatever we want. You are also using examples from the OT which may not be relevant for today since Jesus ruled out some of the old laws and practices. I am not trying to offend you I am just curious as to what you're arguing here.

Supersmartie3 don't listen to Jenlove. The bible is our guide!!!! God wrote that to help us. It just sounds like Jenlove is a little cranky because she knows i'm always right. So I agree will your statement all the way because god made one man and one women to be together not a man and a man or a women and a women!!!!

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i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.

supersmartie3, correct me if I am wrong but it seems like you are claiming that just because not everything is obeyed in the Bible at all times, that Christians should not use the Bible as a guide. At all. I mean yes, we all make mistakes and do things that are not what God intended but that doesn't mean we should throw the Bible out and do whatever we want. You are also using examples from the OT which may not be relevant for today since Jesus ruled out some of the old laws and practices. I am not trying to offend you I am just curious as to what you're arguing here.

i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.


sorry if i offended anyone.

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Shade, I was not trying to insult you. I am a Christian myself, I have no intentions of being disrespectful. I was just trying to point out that no where in the Bible does it state that same-sex unions are honored by God. However, if you believe otherwise it is your call. The truth remains the same regardless of who believes in it.

Then I agree with you. I wish more Christians would be willing to be wrong, though, willing to look beyond the modern words and find out the true source of it.

homosexuality isn't what the Bible discrimantates against.

In the Old Testemet (which i call the Torah) there are several chapters on purity and impurities. In these chapeters there are lists of impure acts. These lists range from impure clothes to impure sexual acts. On the list of sexual acts, the act of anal sex is impure no matter who is doing it, heterosexuals or homosexuals.

thus its not gay people its the act of anal sex

for my personal belief anyone should be able to do what they want without hurting anyone else. If a gay couple wants to have anal sex theyre not hurting me so why should i care?

Shade, I was not trying to insult you. I am a Christian myself, I have no intentions of being disrespectful. I was just trying to point out that no where in the Bible does it state that same-sex unions are honored by God. However, if you believe otherwise it is your call. The truth remains the same regardless of who believes in it.

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To Shade: I wasn't trying to offend anyone with false accusations about John

You didn't offend me. Hard to do that, you know, as the subject isn't personal.[quote

]I'd just like to point out that it is a belief that the Gnostic scriptures are just as important & authentic as the current version of the bible & many supporters of them claim that the only reason that they are separate from the bible is because of Constantine's court assembly when they supposedly decided what was to be the in bible[/quote]
By whom are they supported? Christians or non-Christians?

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And when you say the Corinthian verses are mistranslated, are you talking about all versions of the Bible, or in just the King James Version? Because I have a newer version I can quote if you're interested...

Newer is worse. They were mistranslated from the very first translation. To correct the problem, a new complete study of the Bible would have to be done, and all versions revised.

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Another thing I would like people to consider is that, although the New Testament does not refer to homosexuality over and over like it does theft or murder, that does not mean that the teachings of the Old Testament are suddenly irrelevant.

But they are Irrelevant. The Levitical laws are not applicable anymore. At all.

I also know what Christianity is about...don't insult me. I am Christian.

i really dnt understand how pepole like u can be so cruel ! ok disagree with our doings i did not choose to like girls but god says accept us at least damn it1 if we are going to hell so are u ! because ure causing hate u are making a riot!! im pretty sure that every one here has committed something in thier life that is considered a sin u pepole have no remoise were is ure heart we are pepole just like we do the same as heterosexuals .ure lifestyles are no better than ours everyone is not perfect and when judment day arrives im pretty sure some of u will not be making it!! i still show love to u who critize us just because of the attention all i know is that im happy and that way i will stay.

well i so agree with you sweet pie ive been through soo much on this topic pepole do not choose to be this way some pepole do noyt know the heartbreak we go through and agony tears we shead just beacuse thier is no exceptance in the world i know what the bible says but this world is full of sin and there is nothing you can do about it but guide and there are always going to be pepole wjo are going to misunderstand and pepole who are willng to understabd

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The Greek scriptures are the only true Christian scriptures. Christians supposedly follow Jesus the Christ who only spoke in any way shape or form (aside from in Revelations) in the bible in the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John). Jesus preached about a LOT of things pertaining to everyday Jewish life & not once (believe me I checked) did he openly say anything about homosexuality & lesbianism. So it is incorrect to say that he was against it.

Not to offend you honey, but the Old Testament belongs to the Christian faith as well. One way to understand this is to consider all the prophecies in the Old Testament pertaining to the birth, life, and death of Christ. The two Testaments are both considered by [real] Christians to be the true Word of God. That is why the Bible contains both Testaments.

And Jesus may not have openly said anything about homosexuality, but he did talk about marriage. Never did Jesus mention that Men should marry other Men or that Women should marry other Women. The definition of marriage to Jesus was a convenant with God between a Man and a Woman. Marriage is a promise to remain with your spouse until "death do you part."

If Jesus supported homosexuality it would have been said "loud and clear" in the Bible. The fact remains that it has not been supported at all.

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I have already mentioned Romans. See previous post.

The Corinthians verses are mistranslated. If you'd like I can source this, but I've said it so many times on yn, it becomes tiring.

The Jude reference doesn't name anything about homosexuality. At all. You said it yourself. The verses refer to fallen angels. The "strange" flesh, wasn't that of the opposite sex, but that of another being.

I understand that the Roman and Jude verses do not directly refer to all people but the act of homosexuality itself is not considered as a good or moral act.

And when you say the Corinthian verses are mistranslated, are you talking about all versions of the Bible, or in just the King James Version? Because I have a newer version I can quote if you're interested...

Another thing I would like people to consider is that, although the New Testament does not refer to homosexuality over and over like it does theft or murder, that does not mean that the teachings of the Old Testament are suddenly irrelevant.

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I also love this approach that people use. The Bible promotes slavery, and yet...

I was using that statement because some people like to assume things about the Bible that are not true. For example, the early Catholic church of the 1st century changed the Sabbath day to Sunday all because Jesus was ressurected on a Sunday. However it does not say anywhere in the NT to change the date. The Bible reflects God as consistent and unchanging. He would not just change his mind about homosexuality because of people's "feelings." (Because they can't help who they have feelings for). He even warns people not to rely on their feelings, regardless of who they are, as their feelings could lead them to sin. Christianity is not about doing what YOU want to do just because you feel it is right. It's all about sacrificing your life to God so he may bless you and reward you in Heaven.
The Bible may have supported slavery but the Bible does not say that people had to have slaves. And people were supposed to love their slaves as they loved everyone else so you can't say that God wanted his people to treat their slaves like the early Americans did with the Africans, for example. Technically slavery in and of itself was not a bad thing unless the "masters" were treating their slaves with disrespect.

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Clearly the solution is better buttsex education in public schools.

That's what the Internet is for.

To Shade: I wasn't trying to offend anyone with false accusations about John, I was merely making mention of a belief that I had heard since the topic seems to be about homosexuality being biblicly wrong. Also, the only reason I spoke about the bible the way I did was because I was unsure of how knowledgable you are (& it seems that you are more so than I). On a different note I'd just like to point out that it is a belief that the Gnostic scriptures are just as important & authentic as the current version of the bible & many supporters of them claim that the only reason that they are separate from the bible is because of Constantine's court assembly when they supposedly decided what was to be the in bible (no I'm not just quoting The DaVinci Code here, these beliefs do exist).


To everyone else: As I've mentioned in past posts the bible is essentially separated into 2 parts the Hebrew scriptures & the Greek scriptures. To those of you who don't know, the Hebrew scriptures (atleast most of them) are called the Torrah by the Jewish people. That is & has been their "book of the law" since way back in the day. The Greek scriptures are the only true Christian scriptures. Christians supposedly follow Jesus the Christ who only spoke in any way shape or form (aside from in Revelations) in the bible in the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John). Jesus preached about a LOT of things pertaining to everyday Jewish life & not once (believe me I checked) did he openly say anything about homosexuality & lesbianism. So it is incorrect to say that he was against it. Even if you still want to believe that he was remember please that the main things he taught were peace & love. It is not showing peace or love to say that these types of people are wrong or any of the other negative things that have been claimed on this board. It also is not right or showing peace & love to sentence someone to damnation in hell when you have no right to say such things according to the bible itself ("Judge not others lest you yourself be judged"?). Jesus himself said to "Extract first the rafter from your own eye before you extract the straw from your brother's eye".

I have already mentioned Romans. See previous post.

The Corinthians verses are mistranslated. If you'd like I can source this, but I've said it so many times on yn, it becomes tiring.

The Jude reference doesn't name anything about homosexuality. At all. You said it yourself. The verses refer to fallen angels. The "strange" flesh, wasn't that of the opposite sex, but that of another being.

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Even if people still believe that the Bible does not say homosexuality is wrong, could you show me where it says it is right?

I also love this approach that people use. The Bible promotes slavery, and yet...

Double post because I'm past the edit deadline.

Looking at the report itself, practicing safe sex should significantly reduce if not eliminate the diseases mentioned and proper lubrication takes care of the physical trauma:

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"Consensual penile-anal intercourse can be performed safely provided there is adequate lubrication. Few anorectal problems and no evidence of anal-sphincter dysfunction are found in heterosexual women who have anal-receptive intercourse.

The problem isn't buttsex, it's people who aren't very good at buttsex. Clearly the solution is better buttsex education in public schools.

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Originally posted by Jenlove:
Dr. James W. Holsinger, nominated by the President to become the Surgeon's General, was denied the position all because he wrote a report back in 1991 about how male homosexuality could be dangerous to a male's health. Here is the actualy report if you are curious: Holsinger's report...
What he wrote about is true regardless of what people may think or want to think.

A report so good that its own author distanced himself from it:

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Under pointed questioning on Thursday, Dr. Holsinger said the 1991 paper did not represent his current views, was not intended to be published and was not “an example of my scientific work.”

The New York Times

First off let me just say that I am in fact a Christian. It actually took me a while to get to this point because I have a lot of sympathy for homosexuals in today's modern world. I understand that it is NOT a choice, that basically it is "programmed" in a person's mind as to whether they are going to prefer male or female.

However I first had to look at it in a biological