Homosexuality is not a problem, actually now, we can say that it's a fact in our daily lives. There are many lesbians and gay guys around us, and I think we should support them, because they are not guilty of what they are. Actually, it's a very difficult thing to deal with. We all must be more tolerant about it, and it's not necessary to make such a big problem about it. Homosexuality is o.k., because a gay person doesn't have the right to choose his/her sexual orientation. In fact, they're born as gay, and they will remain like that, so, the less that we could do, is to support them and never discriminate them.
Well, I hope all I provoke is thoughts...not a cyber-bloodbath.
Anyway...can any of you prove to me that homosexuality is wrong without using the Bible or any other religious text, documentation, or saying? Just asking, since I like to hear that science and/or intellectual reason backs up religion and faith.
I personally don't think homosexuality in concept is wrong---it's when gays and lesbians consider straight people to be wrong that I get upset. This is based on a true experience for me: I was told by a lesbian girl at my school that I was "stupid" and "wrong" to be straight. I mean, the homosexuals of the world have long been persecuted for their preferences, and then this girl turns around and persecutes me for having my own preferences? It boggles the mind.
Anyway, homosexuality in itself is not bad---just some of the people that are homosexual are a little off. The same thing could be said for some heterosexuals---I mean, heterosexuality could be reviled and scorned as well, but it's not bad in itself; it's just some of the people who are heterosexual that sometimes give the concept a bad rep. (*cough* *cough* Joey! *cough* *cough* Hmmm! Got something in my throat there. Yes, that was a joke, Joey. Anywayz...)
Peace,
Birdy
P.S.: I'm feeling very silly right now. Can you tell?
On the Jesus issue, I think Jookly's right. Yeshua isn't Jesus. And we're never taught anything about Jesus in bible class, though he's featured in our history book. Even then, it's not in our subjects.
Anyway, nice to see that Joey came back to make dumb sterotypes once more. Come on, Joey , call us dirty liberals. I kinda miss that.
quote: If gays want to bump -n- grind at home, that's their choice.
Uhm, heterosexual couples do that, as well. You're just as juvenile as PrincessMonica by saying homosexuality is wrong because you think it's "gross." Pft.
quote: But don't expect me to hold my comments when they start complaining and forcing people to do things - that's all I'm saying (that's all I HAVE said).
If heterosexuals can choose the type of sex they prefer, then why not homosexuals? You talk about not forcing anything on anyone, yet your goal is to convert everyone to Christianity. That's -forceful-.
quote: It's a crime in God's eyes, but legally, I don't think it should; government should not regulate what goes on in your house
Then what's your excuse for trying to regulate what's wrong and what isn't? Are you sure you're off those drugs, Joey?
you know what i think that you should just keep your opinions to yourself im not gay butone of my friends is but he likes to hang out with girls its not liie if he sees a cute guy hes like O MY GOD HES SO CUTE!!! but have a lot of fun hanging out and hes pretty cool
I've not read through all the pages because quite frankly I've heard all the homophobic crap before and the replies in outrage against it.
I have one point to make - if homosexuals are 'wrong' to you and should be locked up - what about murderers, rapists, paedophiles?
You're 14 and no offence to anyone else - but unless you've had a truly awful life (don't you dare start making things up - you're not funny) - you have no idea what is so terrible that it deserves to be locked up. So next time you want to shout your mouth off, grow up and get over yourself.
((If anyone has a reply to me it would be better to use ways to contact me that are on my profile because I will not be checking back here. Why? Because I know that any response will just anger me and those that will bother to contact me will be worth talking to))
I am not going to continue this crap after this post but I will gaurantee you once again my original point that Jesus has NOTHING 0 ZILCH to do with Judaism.
And Messianics are certainly not jewish, anyone who knows what they are talking about whether they are christian or jewish should know that. They are constantly riticuled by the church and by all groups of jews. These are not my oppinion, they are facts, I dont know why you are denying them. Im done.
quote: The Joseph (only heard him called Jesus by you) that i have listed is not Christ.
Ahh, but Christ was living. And he -is- the prophet mentioned on your list. But I'll look it up and do some personal research. You could be right, but I don't think so.
quote: I was wondering if you would bring up Messianic Jews. It may surprise you but they are not Jews at all. They are sponsored by the Southern Baptist Chruch and have alot of the same beliefs as the Jews for Jesus except many of the Messianic Jews were NEVER JEWISH AT ALL! This of course is realtive to the Jews for Jesus, many of which are ethnically Jewish and when they discover this try to incorporate parts of Judaism into their lives while still claiming that Jesus is the messiah. And as I said before, this is a VERY non jewish belief.
Actually, Messianic Jews are very much Jewish. They celebrate all of the Jewish religions/customs, and only certain Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter. The only Christianization in their religion is their belief in Christ. They do not follow the bible, rather the torah. This site explains things a bit better than me, I suppose: http://www.messianic-jew.com/
quote: I do realize that Jesus Christ is a very important part of Christianity, I am talking specifically about Judaism.
And -I- was making a specific reference in order to indicate that the Jesus I am referring to is the same Jesus that is the Christian son of god.
quote: I thought of one more thing that may help you realize they are different people. The Joseph I have listed fought in the battle of jerico, and of course, Jesus wasnt a warrior, or alive at the time. I hope this is enough to prove that he is not one in the same, if not, I can think of more about him to explain who he is.
Yah. I'm having a bit of difficulty seeing things from your perspective. Jesus and Joseph, from what I know, are not related. I apologize for seeming condescending, but this seems completely ambiguous to me, since I can't understand the point you're try to make. Maybe you’re misconstruing their names.
Anyway, Jesus -was- and is a Jewish prophet. Jesus was a Jew who spoke Aramaic and followed the Jewish customs and religion all his life. He was a Jewish prophet who created one more Jewish sect that was accepted as long as he did not put in doubt the authority and privileges of the Jewish priests. Its members were Jewish and converted Gentiles who accepted the Jewish customs, habits and faith; men had to be circumcised. Christianity, as we know it, was supposedly created by his followers and, more specifically, by Saint Paul who opened the new church to the Gentiles without restriction and, in this way, made it universal. The Jews regarded Jesus as a teacher and prophet.
Well I was just clearing up who we are talking about. The Joseph (only heard him called Jesus by you) that i have listed is not Christ. I already explained that he was alive in a different part of the world and a different time.
quote: I could be wrong, too; hence why we're debating
yea, no hard feelings i am just trying to clear up that Jesus has no part in Judaism.
quote: Actually, some Jews do accept Jesus as their Messiah. They’re referred to as Messianic Jews.
I was wondering if you would bring up Messianic Jews. It may surprise you but they are not Jews at all. They are sponsored by the Southern Baptist Chruch and have alot of the same beliefs as the Jews for Jesus except many of the Messianic Jews were NEVER JEWISH AT ALL! This of course is realtive to the Jews for Jesus, many of which are ethnically Jewish and when they discover this try to incorporate parts of Judaism into their lives while still claiming that Jesus is the messiah. And as I said before, this is a VERY non jewish belief.
quote: And nope; Jesus is Jesus- the son of god to the Christians. The name Jesus means Joshua (Yehoshua/Yeshua). Christ was just added because it means “king;” almost like the title of a czar or emperor, except it was strictly religious
I do realize that Jesus Christ is a very important part of Christianity, I am talking specifically about Judaism.
I thought of one more thing that may help you realize they are different people. The Joseph I have listed fought in the battle of jerico, and of course, Jesus wasnt a warrior, or alive at the time. I hope this is enough to prove that he is not one in the same, if not, I can think of more about him to explain who he is.
quote: I may be mistaken but I thought we were talking about "THE Jesus" not a guy named Jesus.
This Jesus is the prophet Jesus.
quote: I may have made a mistake in what we were talking about and if so i apologize.
I could be wrong, too; hence why we're debating
quote: These people try to entice Jews into converting to Christianity by telling them that they can accept Jesus as their Messiah and still be Jews. This is very false.
Actually, some Jews do accept Jesus as their Messiah. They’re referred to as Messianic Jews. And nope; Jesus is Jesus- the son of god to the Christians. The name Jesus means Joshua (Yehoshua/Yeshua). Christ was just added because it means “king;” almost like the title of a czar or emperor, except it was strictly religious.
BTW- the only purpose of that site was to show you that I'm not full of BS and didn’t just make these points up. That and it was the first link I got when I searched google. I’m lazy, I know.
the bible didn't say jesus was a prophet. it only said "in the past, god spoke to our people trough the prophets. he spoke at many times. he spoke in different ways.but in these last days,he has spoken us through his son....."hebrews 1:1 related verses Deuteronomy 18:18,15-22
Gemini, I may be mistaken but I thought we were talking about "THE Jesus" not a guy named Jesus. I may have made a mistake in what we were talking about and if so i apologize. However, if you are talking about "THE Jesus" than no, that is not him. Joseph was alive before Jesus, he spoke with Moses many times and actually was one of the first people to lead the Jews after they had entered Israel. Obviously both these events and times wouldnt work out for him to be "Jesus". That website you pointed out is sponsored by a Jews for Jesus group. These people try to entice Jews into converting to Christianity by telling them that they can accept Jesus as their Messiah and still be Jews. This is very false. So, If you just meant that the name was there than yes, it is, and I apologize. But if you did mean "Jesus the son of god" then no, he is not included.
And Pie, I was giving a hypothetical situation. If someone came up to you preaching that an IPU created the Universe and even presented you a religious text full of BS just like the Bible, would you believe them? It's a feasible question, at least from my religious perspective. You'd probably send that IPU worshipping person to an asylum if you could. That's how I feel about all religious fundamentalists.
And BTW- my example wasn't big, pink unicorns, they were IPUs (as listed above); invisible purple unicorns
And Pie, -I- have nothing to prove, since I believe nothing exists. You, on the other hand, do believe that a god exists, so you must provide logical evidence proving me wrong.
No, I am %100 sure that Jesus is not a prophet in Judaism. There are 48 male prophets and 7 female in Judaism and Jesus is not one of them, they are: MALES: 1. Avraham 2. Yitzchak 3. Yaakov 4. Moshe Rabbeinu 5. Aharon Hakohen 6. Yehoshua 7. Pinchas 8. Elkana 9. Eli Hakohen 10 Shemuel Haramati 11. Gad Hachozeh 12. Natan 13. David Hamelech 14. Achiva Hashiloni 15. Shlomo Hamelech 16. Iddo Hachozeh 17. Eliyahu Hanavi 18. Michayhu ben Yimla 19. Ovadya 20. Chanani Haroeh 21. Yehu ben Chanani 22. Azaryahu ben Oded 23. Yachaziel Halevi 24. Eliezer ben Dodavahu 25. Elisha ben Shafat 26. Yona ben Amittai 27. Hoshea ben B'eri 28. Zecharya ben Hehoyada Hakohen 29. Amos 30. Amotz 31. Yishayahu ben Amotz 32. Micha 33. Yoel ben Petuel 34. Nachum Haelkoshi 35. Uriyahu ben Shemayahu 36. Chavakuk 37. Tzefanya ben Kushi 38. Yirmeyahu ben Chilkiyahu 39. Yechezchel ben Buzi Hakohen 40. Neria 41. Baruch ben Neria 42. Daniel Ish Chamudot 43. Seraya 44. Machseya 45. Mordechai 46. Chaggai 47. Zecharya 48. Malachi
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