Okay, there seem to be a lot of new people here opposed to my beliefs and all saying the same thing...I'm just gonna sum up my stance here, and leave it at that.

Should homosexuals be abused and hazed? Of course not. No such violent and hateful actions should ever be undertaken.

Should homosexuals be ostracized and persecuted... set apart from society? Of course not. Everybody, homosexual or not, should be treated with love and compassion.

Should homosexuals be sent to jail? (I had to include that in reference to the original post by Princess.) Of course not. That's just stupid.

My opposition to homosexual actions is religiously based. Such actions are just as bad as pre-marital sex of the heterosexual kind. I am opposed to both.

The end... unless somebody horribly misinterprets this post and I have to come back to this topic to clear things up.

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So, why is it okay that slavery is adressed in the bible in that way because "that's the way it was", but with homosexuality it's a diferent thing?

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Well...you're kinda comparing apples and oranges here. Slavery is not a command in the Bible...there is nothing like "Thou must enslave others." There are guides and limits set. Yes...the Bible still allows slavery. Society, however, has decided that slavery is inhumane. Keep in mind that this was only decided after the extremely inhumane treatment of slaves during colonization and civil war times. I wonder if society would still reject slavery if it was practiced in the way that it occured during Biblical times and under Biblical guidelines. (not based on race...normally voluntary...release after a short period of time...no severity and no abuse...etc.) Either way, I am personally against slavery b/c of what it became, not because of what it originally was.

I say that comparing the allowance of slavery and the prohibition of homosexuality is like comparing apples and oranges because slavery was not a command...whereas refraining from homosexual actions was. (I know this is debatable, Dante.) Slavery became something entirely different than the slavery the Bible refers to. Homosexual actions are the same today as they were 2000 years ago.

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first off, anyone who even THINKS homosexuality is wrong should be put to death

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I am sorry for how i reacted, but not by what i said

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So you're not sorry for saying that I should be executed? I understand that you have emotions and I can understand hasty reactions...but you must keep in mind that other people have emotions as well.

I can't believe that people are being judged negativley for loving someone. I just can't. I feel that if you dont let others love how can u love anyone else yourself? I am not lesbians but I have many friends that are and I don't believe it is wrong. Why should people have to love the opposite sex when really what is in there heart is not in wich people believe is right? Is it there falt? I don't think so. But then again, who am I to say what love is?

**** me off....homosexuality is NOT WRONG...it is only a natural instince...just like hetrosexuality(liking ppl of diff. sex 4 u stupid ppl)...now..i am not gay/bi myself but i know quite a few people who are...now... homosexuality is natural..every animal does it...ppl with pets- has your pet ever acted in a homosexual way??? mine has...both of my cats have has partners of the same sex...so..yeah..okay...IT'S NOT WRONG..thank you

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I do apologize for my words and behavior but when it comes to such things as this, i can't help myself. I am always full of emtions, especially about this. I just can't take it when people speak about other people like that. Especially by so-called Christians. I am sorry for how i reacted, but not by what i said. I stand by the fact that the human race is doomed to a man-made end because of how we treat eachother. It is simply sad...

I'm so sick of this discussion and sickened by the things some of you are saying.

If you don't like gay sex, DON'T HAVE GAY SEX!! Why on earth is it your business what other people do? Wrong and right and religion aside, why is it your business? What gives you (or any of us) the right to say to anyone else, "I'm sorry, but I don't like what you're doing with your free time so please stop." I don't get upset about people eating bologna sandwiches (though I myself find bologna to be repugnant); I simply choose not to eat bologna sandwiches. Dislikng people because they're gay is just as arbitrary.

So, why is it okay that slavery is adressed in the bible in that way because "that's the way it was", but with homosexuality it's a diferent thing? In those days, they wanted a man and woman to have sex because they wanted babies. These days, we have enough people as it is, so homosexuality shouldn't be a problem.

Hmm…I personally don’t agree with masturbation so I guess that part of the argument is not very applicable. I’m against it simply because it promotes lust…but maybe it would be better to talk to a male Christian about their stance on this subject. The verses you cited, however, are not directly speaking of masturbation, although they give good reasons not to do so. Even the website you linked us to said that there was no verse directed specifically to masturbation. I don’t know though…I am no expert on this topic.
The Bible treats slavery as a normal thing because it was a normal thing! I’m not justifying this…but you must remember that the majority of slaves actually sold themselves into slavery to get out of debt. And thank you for pointing out that the slaves had a choice to be set free.

Yeah…so that’s all I have to say.

So, futurepres2 or jstar, no reply to my post? Bummer, I worked on getting my resources.

So full of hate. (And yet I'm the bad guy supposedly.) I really don't have anything much more to say to your post... except that such assumptions, generalizations, hatred, and ignorance truly saddens me. That's all I got.

first off, anyone who even THINKS homosexuality is wrong should be put to death. If you truly are religious, then you know that God created all of you people equally. This is why i hate Christians, you people are idiots and think things like Witchcraft is wrong. Ignorance is not bliss, it is oblivion! Whoever posted first and said Homosexuality is wrong, you are a complete and utter moron. You are not religious, you are a demented idiot who should die and burn in an eternal flame of torture. People like you make me sick, full of your ideals and stupid remarks. This is why not everyone should have a say. Because of this, you are a stupid, idoitic, moron and i hope your God punishes you. No one chooses to be gay or bi or even striaght. I dare you tp reply to this with something utterly ridiculous and religious. For this reason i am purely Anti- Christian. They are blinded by the Bible, and are always out to hurt people. If anything, evil stems from the lies of Christians and how they know nothing of the world. I dispise religion because it had corrupted our world. If you think homosexuality is bad just becaue what some book that is, mind you, always being changed, than the gays are not evil... you are. I hope you suffer a painful death to those who beleive that homosexuality is wrong, that are obsessed with your stupid ideals. Stupid... it doesn't even begin to cover you idocy. I hope you rot and die in a fiery, painful h*ll. You people make me entirely sick. It's disgusting... i hate this race.. you are not God's children, you are Satan's gateway to h*ll on Earth... i hate Christians...

Because everyday events are happening and support much of what I've stated. Time will pass, religious principles will change. To make sure I'm sticking to this post's subject, homosexuals should not be put in jail just because they like the same sex.

Actually, I would rather have religion stay the same and not be molded. That way, the world would see how irrelevant many of the 'truths' are today. The Bible does say homosexuality is wrong, but religious leaders now make it okay to have gay marriages. When I saw that the Methodist church had their first lesbian marriage a few years back, I nearly fell out of my chair. I always considered them to be more conservative than Baptists. And I wasn't bothered that two lesbians married because I feel homosexuals are naturally that way. I was bothered by the fact that religion just made itself hypocritical again in order to satisfy contemporary situations. So, as you can see with this example, and there are others (like a woman's place is under a man), ideas once relevant to the times they were written in, are made irrelevant today. Or the interpretations of the same passages are changed. I guess molding religion is okay because it allows religion to become part of the evolutionary process. If it didn't adapt, who knows what it would be like. It doesn't matter to me either way. I've just begun to feel that maybe religion was just a way to control people. Also, there have been many times that religious beliefs were disproved or changed due to innovations in science, which will continue; however, I can't readily recall anything where religion has done something similar to science. Duh! That's because we can't travel back in time yet or reverse progress.

OK,i don't believe in God anyways,but I read my Childrens Book Of The Bible anyways,cus it was interesting.And you know what?
God made it Adam and Eve and not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve because homosexuals can't make babies!
And in those times,HELLO!They couldn't do that thing where you "create" a baby.So that's why it was Adam and Eve.DUH!Oh my god you idiot. MY eyes hurt now.So I'll stop.

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Religion is meant to be molded

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Sure. Humans decide what is right and wrong. Humans decide who God is. Immortal humans, in their infinite knowledge and power, are able to determine truth. I think not. We should not try to shape and change faith, religion, and God...it is all meant to shape and change us!

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Mark my words, in twenty years the biblical debate on homosexuality will be nothing more than a trace memory

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Would you be willing to place money on that?

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Sorry, but I think I missed something. Who is this? Just curious...

I am just hoping that with a little knowledge and understanding there will be tolerance. It is perfectly ok to feel that homosexuality is wrong. Frankly, I think peanut butter and jelly is just plain wrong. I won't eat it, and neither should anyone who feels so wrongly about homosexuality taste any of the fine, fleshly pleasures that abound from... just kidding. he he.
Oh, and I could introduce some of you to those who would tell you that the **** was definitely made for the penis. That was naughty. I'll stop now.

then perhaps you've come across the co-research of French and American geneticists concerning homosexual behavior in animals. They've mainly done their studies on apes, cats, dogs, rabbits, and mice of course. Or maybe you're in your early 80's, and studied while the Korean War was taking place. Just because it didn't pass a board's review to place it in your textbook, it doesn't mean there's nothing about it. By the way, I've had the pleasure of meeting one of the scientists involved at a seminar during his lecture series at different campuses.

Reminds me of myself at one time long ago. So fresh in zeal for religion, and yet so naive concerning the same subject. Futurepres2, you have brought up an excellent argument only to have it excellently refuted by others who seem a bit more versed than you in biblical matters.
The only way to make better arguments, Josh, is to take the place of those who will answer against you. Ask yourself the questions they are likely to ask, tell yourself the statements they are likely to state. However, by doing so is very trying on the spirit, and you will find the answers you thought you had were not much of an answer after all. Until you eventually become the very people you began to argue with in the first place. That is enlightenment.
Also, I agree with Teddy, and anyone who argues against her should really take a look at themselves and decide if they are human or angel.

also mention Lilith who was the first woman created according to Hebrew legend. And besides. Religion is meant to be molded. Meanings and interpretations have changed so many times it's a wonder why there are so many denominations of a single faith. Mark my words, in twenty years the biblical debate on homosexuality will be nothing more than a trace memory relived in only the most fundamental of groups. Just as it was wrong in days of old for women to become as independent as they are these days, the meanings and interpretations will find the time to change again for this fact of life. That fact is some people are gay. Although there may be some who chose the lifestyle, many more do not. It is as natural to them as it is for hetersexuals to prefer the opposite sex. Homosexuality has persisted throughout the ages. Why is that? And why is it that some would chose to be gay? So that they could be discriminated against or teased? You look for the answers, but you ask the wrong questions. Ever since I met a child (7 years old) who loved having 'boyfriends', I knew that homosexuality must be at least partially genetic. Gross? Maybe. But does that give any person the right to commit hateful actions? Unless of course a gay person was holding you hostage at gunpoint...