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well you said it yourself not everything is relevant today. and noone can really know what god's personal feelings on the matter are right now. i mean if he really
wanted homosexuality to stop, i would have thought that he'd smite a gay man or woman right now.

I beg to differ. I think we can know what God's personal feelings are about the "matter" because the act homosexuality is mentioned in the New Testament, and not as a positive thing. Some people like to argue against it but Jesus also DEFINES marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Just think about what Jesus said when people questioned him about marriage:

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And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'
—Matthew 19:4 (NKJV)

But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'
—Mark 10:6 (NKJV)

The things in the OT that are don't necessarily need to be "worried about" are the things that God mentioned as unclean, or the sacrificing of animals for example. God would not just smite a homosexual. HE LOVES THEM. Just as he would not smite a murderer or thief. God knows that gays and lesbians wont ever want to be with the opposite sex. He would rather them be celibate. Face it, God views the act of homosexuality sinful. But it is as a great a sin as any other sin.

Galatians 3:15-18;
"Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed,"[a] meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise."

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Originally posted by Jenlove:

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i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.

supersmartie3, correct me if I am wrong but it seems like you are claiming that just because not everything is obeyed in the Bible at all times, that Christians should not use the Bible as a guide. At all. I mean yes, we all make mistakes and do things that are not what God intended but that doesn't mean we should throw the Bible out and do whatever we want. You are also using examples from the OT which may not be relevant for today since Jesus ruled out some of the old laws and practices. I am not trying to offend you I am just curious as to what you're arguing here.

well you said it yourself not everything is relevant today. and noone can really know what god's personal feelings on the matter are right now. i mean if he really wanted homosexuality to stop, i would have thought that he'd smite a gay man or woman right now. and by the way myvoice counts, you totally didn't understand what i was saying AT ALL.

look i kno w were you are coming from i use to date a girl for 5 months until i realized how wrong it was life doesnot hate u you make it confusing with you're problems .read the bible i know to lust for another women is not right . but that is how the world is do u want to burn or go to heave. love right know has a different description . but you should really listen maybe take a step back

So if i were like oooo i am lusting after that car. it would be a sin?

People are going to love who they love. Whether you say it's a sin or not. But... everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Have a nice day.

well to make my message clear to to lust is a sin to correct my words and make u understand you more clear god made women and men to create a different generation itz not and obssession or lusting that is what god created to happen therefore you're not going to hell im sorrry that you cant seem to understand but someday somehow you will seem to open you're eyes i am not here to judge you nor disrespect you . but i just wanted to mention thingd=s that are important..

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Originally posted by peace312:
girls liking girls and men liking men itz an obsession and to obsses is a sin andd trust me with the power and the words of god you can change lives trust me

Just like girls liking men and men liking girls is an obsessiooooooh fuck, we're all going to hell.

okay so homosexuality is wrong but what you have to understand is that these pepole are in desperate need of help and hating them and treating them wrong calling them names and such is wrong thats just allowing you to hate and to hate is a sin therefore you're putting ureself at risk of going to hell as well. pepole u have to wake up everything happens for a reason you have to open youre hearst and help them god says dnt convince them take them and tell them about our god our jeasus . girls liking girls and men liking men itz an obsession and to obsses is a sin andd trust me with the power and the words of god you can change lives trust me it ahppened to me and look were i am now spreading the word and once u deliver the meesage to the pepole thatz in need god will be waiting there to give u you're trophy

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Originally posted by PrincessMonica12:
I think it is gross and wrong. God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. If I afended anyone i dont care.anyone who is one should be put in prison. Its just NOT RIGHT!

I'm glad you have your own opinion, I think it's great that you can think for yourself. You just need to understand that others have their opinion on what's right and what's wrong. Since homosexuality isn't harmful toward you or others. The bible does say it's wrong, but the Bible says you should love one another. You have a right to believe whatever you want, but you do NOT have a reason to hate someone else because of their differences and you do NOT have a reason to stop someone else from doing something that is harmless to you, others, or themselves.

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You know I appreciate you giving your views I'm just saying I have my views to and If your say what you have to say then I have the right so say what I have to say. I not trying to be this horible person. I just have my views!!! I hope you respect them!!! Because even though I have these nasty comments. I do care... And maybe I'm talking to you like a child because when I was 4 or 5 I was being talked to like an adult and I've never really been a child...

Well I feel sorry for you then.

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Originally posted by Jenlove:
Myvoicecounts, you have completely twisted supersmartie3's words as well as mine. Supersmartie3 obviously supports gay marriage and has stated that we can't use the Bible as an "excuse." I was asking Supersmartie3 if she thinks that the Bible is irrelevant as a guide. All you have done is gotten in the way to make up lies and claim that you're "always right." I don't appreciate you talking to me like I am a child. I am 4 years older than you I know what I am talking about.

You know I appreciate you giving your views I'm just saying I have my views to and If your say what you have to say then I have the right so say what I have to say. I not trying to be this horible person. I just have my views!!! I hope you respect them!!! Because even though I have these nasty comments. I do care... And maybe I'm talking to you like a child because when I was 4 or 5 I was being talked to like an adult and I've never really been a child...


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Myvoicecounts, you have completely twisted supersmartie3's words as well as mine. Supersmartie3 obviously supports gay marriage and has stated that we can't use the Bible as an "excuse." I was asking Supersmartie3 if she thinks that the Bible is irrelevant as a guide. All you have done is gotten in the way to make up lies and claim that you're "always right." I don't appreciate you talking to me like I am a child. I am 4 years older than you I know what I am talking about.

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Originally posted by Myvoicecounts:
So I agree will your statement all the way because god made one man and one women to be together not a man and a man or a women and a women!!!!

That's not what your mom said last night.

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Originally posted by Jenlove:

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i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.

supersmartie3, correct me if I am wrong but it seems like you are claiming that just because not everything is obeyed in the Bible at all times, that Christians should not use the Bible as a guide. At all. I mean yes, we all make mistakes and do things that are not what God intended but that doesn't mean we should throw the Bible out and do whatever we want. You are also using examples from the OT which may not be relevant for today since Jesus ruled out some of the old laws and practices. I am not trying to offend you I am just curious as to what you're arguing here.

Supersmartie3 don't listen to Jenlove. The bible is our guide!!!! God wrote that to help us. It just sounds like Jenlove is a little cranky because she knows i'm always right. So I agree will your statement all the way because god made one man and one women to be together not a man and a man or a women and a women!!!!

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i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.

supersmartie3, correct me if I am wrong but it seems like you are claiming that just because not everything is obeyed in the Bible at all times, that Christians should not use the Bible as a guide. At all. I mean yes, we all make mistakes and do things that are not what God intended but that doesn't mean we should throw the Bible out and do whatever we want. You are also using examples from the OT which may not be relevant for today since Jesus ruled out some of the old laws and practices. I am not trying to offend you I am just curious as to what you're arguing here.

i understand that the bible says a man shouldn't be with a man. but it also says a man and woman can't have sex during her period. and the ch. before says you mus not eat anything with blood in it, you must nt cut the hair on the sides of your head, you can't have tattoos, or cut yourself, and that a woman can't be touched when she's on her period. i think that not everything is obeyed by everyone at everytime, so you can't use the bible as an excuse. sorry but i am christian and i don't agree with you.


sorry if i offended anyone.

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Shade, I was not trying to insult you. I am a Christian myself, I have no intentions of being disrespectful. I was just trying to point out that no where in the Bible does it state that same-sex unions are honored by God. However, if you believe otherwise it is your call. The truth remains the same regardless of who believes in it.

Then I agree with you. I wish more Christians would be willing to be wrong, though, willing to look beyond the modern words and find out the true source of it.

homosexuality isn't what the Bible discrimantates against.

In the Old Testemet (which i call the Torah) there are several chapters on purity and impurities. In these chapeters there are lists of impure acts. These lists range from impure clothes to impure sexual acts. On the list of sexual acts, the act of anal sex is impure no matter who is doing it, heterosexuals or homosexuals.

thus its not gay people its the act of anal sex

for my personal belief anyone should be able to do what they want without hurting anyone else. If a gay couple wants to have anal sex theyre not hurting me so why should i care?

Shade, I was not trying to insult you. I am a Christian myself, I have no intentions of being disrespectful. I was just trying to point out that no where in the Bible does it state that same-sex unions are honored by God. However, if you believe otherwise it is your call. The truth remains the same regardless of who believes in it.

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To Shade: I wasn't trying to offend anyone with false accusations about John

You didn't offend me. Hard to do that, you know, as the subject isn't personal.[quote

]I'd just like to point out that it is a belief that the Gnostic scriptures are just as important & authentic as the current version of the bible & many supporters of them claim that the only reason that they are separate from the bible is because of Constantine's court assembly when they supposedly decided what was to be the in bible[/quote]
By whom are they supported? Christians or non-Christians?

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And when you say the Corinthian verses are mistranslated, are you talking about all versions of the Bible, or in just the King James Version? Because I have a newer version I can quote if you're interested...

Newer is worse. They were mistranslated from the very first translation. To correct the problem, a new complete study of the Bible would have to be done, and all versions revised.

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Another thing I would like people to consider is that, although the New Testament does not refer to homosexuality over and over like it does theft or murder, that does not mean that the teachings of the Old Testament are suddenly irrelevant.

But they are Irrelevant. The Levitical laws are not applicable anymore. At all.

I also know what Christianity is about...don't insult me. I am Christian.

i really dnt understand how pepole like u can be so cruel ! ok disagree with our doings i did not choose to like girls but god says accept us at least damn it1 if we are going to hell so are u ! because ure causing hate u are making a riot!! im pretty sure that every one here has committed something in thier life that is considered a sin u pepole have no remoise were is ure heart we are pepole just like we do the same as heterosexuals .ure lifestyles are no better than ours everyone is not perfect and when judment day arrives im pretty sure some of u will not be making it!! i still show love to u who critize us just because of the attention all i know is that im happy and that way i will stay.