I suppose, to some degree, sexual orientation is psychological, or a result of a psychological, um, something (I don't know the right word).
Ex: (I'm sure I'll regret bringing this up, but what the hey) The Catholic priest is barred to a celibate lifestyle, which, frankly puts a strain on the mind. These sex scandals that seem to be endless, could they be results of the psyche wanting/needing for normal behavior (not saying that molesting children is normal, I meant the sexual urge is normal)...

And yes, sexual orientation can be repressed, however, at what cost? More psychological damage to breed who knows what types of evil.

But a state of mind? This I question. Explain?

Adam and Adam. Haven't heard that before. It's usually "Adam and Steve". Adam and Adam would be wrong because, uh, it's the same person? Then again, to each his own.

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If AIDS is G-d's punishment for homosexuals why, when they repent or convert, do they not heal or get cured? Where is the forgiveness?

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True, that, true. I'd love to hear the answer for that one.

There are all kinds of deviations from "normal" sexual behaviors. For the sake of argument, let's say that homosexuality is a purely psychological phenomenon, not a biological one (which I totally don't believe since there is SO much evidence that homosexuality might be a natural biological phenomenon). But let's just say it's "environmental" or phsychological.

There are people with sexual disorders that ARE environmental or psychological, like people who are crossdress for sexual stimulation or people with shoe and foot fetishes or leather fetishes or role playing fetishes, or S&M, etc, etc. Sociologically speaking these are not "normal" sexual behaviors (though they occur with significantly more frequency than you might assume). So if homosexuality is a psychological problem, a choice, a WRONG choice as so many of you seem to think, then are the other sexual deviations WRONG choices too, just as unnatural and against God's order of things? Shouldn't it logically follow then that they get put in jail too? Your mother or the mailman or your teacher or a stranger on the bus...shouldn't they go to jail to for the deviation from normalcy they exhibit in the bedroom? That's just stupid.

Dante I believe the reason for them not healing is simply that god doesnt heal their bodies due to the fact that he is healing their souls. It has never been stated in the bible that the physical is more important than the spiritual. Because in the bible our flesh is weak and will die while in the bible our spirits will live on for eternity!

Frustration frustration frustration!


Love, Jenny

P.S. I'll have more of a rebuttal later, really...

If AIDS is G-d's punishment for homosexuals why, when they repent or convert, do they not heal or get cured? Where is the forgiveness?

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You're right outspokenme. That would be better wording. I do not condone homosexuality. But I also do not believe that it is natural or something that someone can't control but rather a state of mind that convinces them that it is real and can't be helped.
Trinity

This may seem like a rather odd question, but how do you not believe in it? I mean, clearing it's there. Wouldn't it be more truthful to say you do not condone or support homosexuality?

Sorry if that seems nitpicky or rude or whatever, but it just came to my head.

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I do not believe in homosexuality. God created man and then He created woman for man. But I do not believe that we should condemn someone for it. My Uncle was a homosexual and also one of the most amazing people I ever met. Sadly he died from AIDS but accepted Christ days before his death. We can't force people to believe in what we believe we can tell them and then we can love them. Jesus taught love not hate and He told us that we have no right to judge. Condemning them for their choices is asking God to condemn us for ours.
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but it just infuriates me to sit here and read someone say that just because someone's view is unpopular or uncommon, they don't have the right to say it.

For example: Trent Lott.

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Some people say stuff like Trent Lott said more than he probably said anything of that kind (which he has been for a while) but he was a representative of the people and the position he had made friends and foes alike watch everything he says.
That's politics and also show business. The smallest quote of an opinion of your's can be exploited and used against you.
Sad thing, really, when you're just stating your beliefs, but this is a democracy and majority rules over. But you are entitled to your opinions, even unpopular ones, sometimes you just have to watch how you display it, if you don't want tons of biting feedback at you.

Christ. You'd think the human race was actually getting somewhere, but nooo. We still have the few people who say that gays should be put in prison. Well, I guess I'm facing a life sentence. I'm not even getting mad about this. I'm just going to dismiss other peoples' stupidity as a part of life. peace~~~ alex

Actually, PrincessMonica does not speak for me, but she has every single right to express her views - I don't care how offensive they are, she DOES have the right to say them.

And no, I didn't pick up on the turning the tables thing bex, but it doesn't matter.

If a vocal group of people get offended, they automatically fire off that those people spewing out the substance have no right to say it.

Which is completely wrong.

We could go on more and more homosexuality-like topics, but it just infuriates me to sit here and read someone say that just because someone's view is unpopular or uncommon, they don't have the right to say it.

For example: Trent Lott.

Like I said, you people preach all day long about tolerance and diversity and acceptance.

Yet when someone, no matter how vile their comments or judgements, speaks their mind, they automatically have no rights whatsoever in speaking them.

This is a joke.

Thank God for YouthNOISE - seriously, thank God. There's a place (mainly unedited) where we can actually take people like you to task for things you say.

How about this we give all of the gay people boxing gloves and all of the sraight people on this site and let them duke it out! J/K Talk about a rope a dope

Monica, exactly what gave u the right to decide what is "right" and what is "wrong"??? Every human deserves the same amount of respect, no matter what their sexual preference seems to be! Obviously you are very ignorant about this topic and probably more homophobic than anything, so grow up and learn to accept people for who they are and not whether they like guys or girls!

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So because someone has an unpopular opinion, or an opposing viewpoint, they should be "thrown in jail?"
Or shouldn't be able to have kids or marry?
And you people rip others apart for being intolerant and insensitive and close minded?
Take a look at yourselves.
You're no different than the person you're firing off at.

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Joey, you completely missed the point I was making. I was trying to give princessmonica a taste of her own medicine by turning round her words so that they applied to her. Although I disagree strongly with her views and there is some truth in what I said about being disgusted by them, she like everyone else has a right to express them and of course I know she shouldn't be thrown in jail. The point I am trying to make is: Just because she disagrees with something someone does perfectly legally she has no right to say they should be locked up. Just as I have no right to say she should be locked up for her views which I disagree with. She was being offensive so I thought I may as well be offensive back and see what she makes of it. I was deliberately unreasonable. Maybe it was a little too subtle for ya?

Also, elated as you may be to find someone who is sympathetic with your 'less rights for homosexuals' ideals you have to concede that she isn't providing much of a valid argument for her views. As you know I disagree with pretty much everything you say but you at least make the effort to put a little thought into what you're saying. She on the other hand has a lot to learn if she's going to get anyone to take her seriously in a debate, for example that being petulant, rude and refusing to justify her opinions won't get her anywhere.

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Well, Miss priss Monica, I hate to tell you this, but you're not a true Christian. You say homosexuality is wrong, and that's your opinion. I say you're incredibly ignorant, and that's my opinion. Anyway, who gave you the authority to decide what should happen to homosexuals? I believe that's God's decision, NOT yours.

If you filled up the jails with innocent homosexuals, there'd be no room for the real criminals who may be heterosexuals. So you would be okay if you had muderers, rapists, serial killers, and -evil- people living in society killing, raping, stealing, etc.? What if you had children? Would you rather them be exposed to rapists and these horrible people who crucify children for their own pleasure OR innocent homosexuals because they're "gross?" Seriously, think about it. (Plus, it'd be your tax money keeping the homosexuals in jail.)

Don't teach hate, and don't condone it. Many people don't -choose- what gender they like. Those are feelings they develop, which is perfectly natural, though they obviously differ from your own beliefs. Please don't be so irrational. And don't post things like, "I don't care what you believe. I'm right and you're wrong," because these forums are here to discuss issues and "voice" differing views. Don't pollute the boards. If you don't care what anyone here has to say, don't post anything.

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I see nothing wrong with it. While I am a Christian and if a gay girl were to hit on me, I admit, I would be grossed out, I do hang around homosexuals. They're human beings just like you and me. They deserve respect too.

Yeah the problem with your mind-set is is that you want freedom for yourself, but not for others. wether you like it or not this is a free country, and wether you agree or disagree with the way a person lives, is completly irrelevent to if they should be able to live the way they do.yeah ill admit it does gross me out, but i do not tell a homosexual what he/she is doing is wrong. Im not here to judge. but i do tell a homosexual, as i would tell anyone else, That Jesus Loves you, and plus forgives.

I know how angry i get when people tell me what i believe is wrong, so i try not to tell people what they believe is wrong.

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why is it then that the gays and gay supporters want "something other than Biblical" references?

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Because I could make my own religion today and have my own holy book and write in it that everyone is stupid, and when I call you stupid and you ask why I could simply said its in the book of my religion...

In other words.. it's not enough.

(Not wanting to cause another argument, since we already agreed we disagree... or so I agreed)

Why do you think homosexual people should be thrown in prison because of their sexual preference? Again I ask, why do you people CARE so much? People don't think before they speak anymore and it causes them to hurt others. What is so repulsive about them? Please tell me because I would seriously like to know.

~Solemn