Solemn--No need to be rude. Please don't treat our faith as if it is a mere joke...there are many ways to get a point across and be civil at the same time.

Teddy--Don't worry, I'm not gonna go into a schpeel on homosexuality, you can read my other posts if you want to know my view. You said that "God will take you as you are." I completely agree...but you're leaving out a crucial part. Sure, anybody can come to God no matter what their life has been like...but after becoming a Christian changes should be seen! While I would never be 100% positive that a murderer who claims to be Christian (yet continues to murder) was going to heaven or not, I would have serious doubts simply because a sign that God is working in a person is that the person "bears fruit." (meaning to produce fruits of the spirit...love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control)

Ha! That's a good one. God is fictional to me. I do not believe there is one right way. People choose their paths. Not God.

~Solemn

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Unless snoopy heard it *directly* from Jesus/God whatever, it's not valid.

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I dont understand how your mind works, really. Its almost like you thrive on trying to bring other people down...

God does speak to us, its just not in an audible voice. You see its hard to explain.There are so many different aspects to it. You see it can be an Extreme emotion, a feeling, When suddenly you can understand something you would usually be able to not understand, A song will burst into your head and it will sound like you have headphones on, Ive personally had visions so vivid, i could feel the breaze in my hair. He can do it through words on a page of a book... The list goes on and on.

I know God is real, And i know what he said in the bible is real. No I cannot give you any hardcore proof of it being real, But i dont need it, or care for it. cause i have never been happier in my life and i will not change what go has given me for the world.

First off, to Avenger and snoopy: You know when you tell a story, you change it, just a little bit, but the more often you tell it, the more it changes. Unless snoopy heard it *directly* from Jesus/God whatever, it's not valid.

Now, this statistic business. Fine, if you choose to accept it, fine....HOWEVER: how many partners do heterosexual men have per year? (But yeah, I'm not saying anyone believes the stat, as I'm rather skeptical of it...)

Um, needless to say I believe homosexuality is ok. I mean it's not like they are having feelings towards the same gender just to get everyone upset and annoyed. They can't help it, Some try at first, to lie to themselves about their truth feelings but they just can't help the feelings they have. Like you can't help the feelings you have for your girlfriend or boyfriend, you can't just drump them because of a problem ,right? Well, it's kind of the same with this, not really, but kind of, if you really think about it.
Please, i beg of you, don't say to me that I'm wrong for thinking this, that God created man for woman, not man for man or woman for woman, please don't say it's a sin.
Beacause some of you in here that are writing the posts, wrote other posts saying that the Bible wasn't written by God, but instead by other men who were trying to explain the mysteries of life at that time. So in other words, we don't know if really God believes it's a sin, we don't know if God created Eve for Adam, it just says in the Bible that God first created Adam and then he created Eve(Or maybe it's the other way around, I'm not sure, sorry) Point being, people say God will take you as you are and I believe that.
I don't know what to believe in but that's what I think.
Bye Have a nice day Everyone
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Okay, I've got a question. I read somewhere about a survey given to some large number of homosexual men that ended up saying that most homosexuals have almost 50 partners a year.

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Whenever you see a statistic or the results of a survey or anything like that, always ALWAYS check the source. Some are incredibly biased and flat out wrong.

I'm not saying that statistic is wrong because I haven't done a lot of research. But I just found that same statistic on a web site that also described homosexuality as evil, homosexuals as sinners and promiscuous, and the world as having "bought in" and "been fooled" by the gay community.

I'm thinking that's not a source I'm going to take completely at face value.

http://www.gayscribe.com/fortworth/gay101/reactions/partners.htm

Okay, I've got a question. I read somewhere about a survey given to some large number of homosexual men that ended up saying that most homosexuals have almost 50 partners a year.

Now, please please don't think that I'm stating this as truth, in fact I very much doubt it. I was just wondering if anybody knows how true this is. As for those of you who are homosexual who are involved in this topic, I'd really appreciate your input in particular, seeing as how your information would be a bit more firsthand.

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You do realize that in the time the bible was written, it was not accepted by anyone to love another person of the same gender, so yeah, of course the bible would say it was wrong. It was a way of life. Since then, that way of life has died and a new way of life has erupted into view. Take it, I'm not saying love it, mind you, but just take it. It will not change.

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huh, do you believe in what the bible says? if you dont, dont tell me (or anyone else for that matter) what the things said in it mean...

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You also say that there is "only one way and that is God's way." If that were the case, we'd all be Christians, which thank heavens (pun intended) we are not.

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I hate to alarm you, but the only "right" way is Gods way. Granted there other roads you can fallow. And i do not think any different of you for the road you take, But only one road leads to heaven, The straight and narrow.

Let me explain the evolutionary theory of homosexuality that I described on another board. It's in response to your assertion below:

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man and woman. and why do you think it is that a man and a woman have sex and children are created... it's because if we are to reproduce, it has to be that male/female combination... not a "****"genous mixture... it is not normal...

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Very early humans (nomads and those involved in hunting and gathering) probably didn't have a significant amount of time to devote to child-rearing, given the stressful nature of day to day life. The line of thinking is that homosexuality provided extra adults who were not producing offspring of their own to help with raising the children, the archetypal "Gay Uncle", if you will. So not only is homosexuality not "unnatural", but it is a necessary evolutionary trait, designed to help with the propagation of humanity.

You also say that there is "only one way and that is God's way." If that were the case, we'd all be Christians, which thank heavens (pun intended) we are not. There are many ways and it is for each person to choose her path.

You do realize that in the time the bible was written, it was not accepted by anyone to love another person of the same gender, so yeah, of course the bible would say it was wrong. It was a way of life. Since then, that way of life has died and a new way of life has erupted into view. Take it, I'm not saying love it, mind you, but just take it. It will not change.

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Your Lord told you He sees homosexuality as a sin? Really? When?

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it says in the bible, "no man shall lie with another man."

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... need he say more.

I'm interested in which religion you place your faith snoopy. I also find it amusing you do not capitolize "god" because for a believer, that seems rather, well unreligious.

Your Lord told you He sees homosexuality as a sin? Really? When? And I'd be interested to see the other parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality.

To add to it all, does it not say in the Bible, in the Ten Commandments, no less, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" but yet, people kill in the Lord's own name...To me, this is a greater offense than something you cannot help.

I highly recommend you straighten a few things out in your own head.

hey guys and gals... homosexuality is down right wrong... i say this not only from the perspective of a strong believer in attraction to the same sex, but also from the standpoint of a devout christian. i love the lord and i try my best to uphold his commandments and instruction for my life. it says in the bible, "no man shall lie with another man." that's enough for me to know that homosexuality is wrong because it's forbade by god... other places in the bible comdemn it too. i totally agree with the first person who wrote about this in saying that god didn't make adam and adam or eve and eve... he created adam and eve and it was then that he made the mold... man and woman. and why do you think it is that a man and a woman have sex and children are created... it's because if we are to reproduce, it has to be that male/female combination... not a "****"genous mixture... it is not normal... whoever said it is has a few things to straighten out in their mind... not saying you yourself are a homosexual... don't be offended... i'm just implying that there is only one way and that is god's way... homosexuality is evil and impure... the lord sees it as a sin... if you are a homosexual, then please read the new testament about jesus and what he can do in your life... if you know him and accept him into your heart then you will be changed... it says in the bible that you'll be a brand new creation in christ... let that encourage you... please turn away from your evil ways and just let them go and accept christ... signing out... this is snoopyD... later gators

Birdy, it's actually normal - yes, NORMAL - for kids, boys and girls, at young ages - to have an affection for the same gender.

It's not only scientifically true, many religious (i.e., Christian) leaders think it's natural.

However, that doesn't mean someone is "born" gay.

And no, gays shouldn't be killed, or thrown in jail, or assaulted because of their sexual orientation.

You claim that Jesus made us in a different way, which is absolutely true.

But if you think Jesus made people gay, or believes in Political Correctness, then you've gone too far.

The Bible is absolutely clear; God's laws and message hasn't changed - and homosexuality, according to the Bible, is a sin.

Sin is sin. You can't be homosexual and expect a worse "judgement" over someone who kills someone - sin is sin.

But you preach tolerance, yet there are people on here that would just like to see the Christians and "right-wing" types thrown in jail too; I read that a couple of times now.


I can meet a homosexual person and not even say anything about them being gay - I know (personally) several gay people.

But when they start DEMANDING acceptance and DEMANDING we Christians, or anyone else, to tolerate what they do, then they've crossed the line.

I obviously have an opposing view towards PCness, but that doesn't me that I - or any other Christian - should be thrown in jail.

PrincessMonica12, in a parallel universe, how would you like to be imprisoned because you are attracted to the opposite sex when the rest of the world is homosexual? Based on the ferocity of your previous posts, I would say you'd raise all the he11 you could.

And speaking of love and attraction...as a little girl, did you up and decide one day to be attracted to little boys? I sure as he11 didn't. I liked little boys because...well, I just did. I love the 'Apple Jacks' commercial for this topic. "Why do y'all like Apple Jacks?" "We just do!" I mean, that answers so many questions. Homosexuals are homosexuals because they just are. Heterosexuals are heterosexuals because they just are.

God made this world, and He made us all different and special and wonderful in our own ways. Perhaps the reason God made people predisposed to homosexuality is because He was trying to teach us all the value of tolerance. I mean, if we're going to survive as a species, we've all got to learn to live together as a big (VERY big), happy family. We can't just go killing off our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters or putting them in prison because we are uncomfortable around them. Basically, I think homophobes are just plain uncomfortable around homosexuals because they're different. If we locked up everyone who's different, we'd all be in prison for the rest of our lives. That would be quite a sad world indeed. I mean, who would generate the tax dollars to pay for our meals if we were all in prison? <<a little joke there...

Tolerance is the way of the future.

Peace,

Birdy

Sex is a part of any relationship, Joey. What's your point?
And how long have you been straight? Have you ever been gay? Do you know how it feels? How do you know it's not something you\re born with? You don't, so please shut up unless you know what you're saying.

Yes, and all the intolerant things and insensitive statements is somehow worse than calling me or anyone who shares the same views as me "biggots."


Practice what you preach.

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How do you know it's a lie? Joey, I am assuming that you are not homosexual (if you are then you must have real trouble living in your own skin). Anyway if you have never been attracted to a member of the same sex then how can you possibly know whether those feelings are 'real' or not?

I am getting so sick of homosexuality discussions. Round and round we go. Spare me from the biggots of this world…

Jenny, I didn't state anywhere that homosexuals couldn't feel love or lust or anything like that.

I have not once said that they couldn't.

However, the "garbage" was in fact, the stuff about homosexuality is just about love and lust and what not.

All the homosexual posts on YouthNOISE mention the love and attraction and the "I was born this way" lie, yet people don't discuss the overall act of being a homosexual.

That's what I meant to say.

I like how you people circumvented the original meaning of my post.

Of course, if someone were to look at what you guys put, which was the "up the butt" quip, they would think, "OMG that guy is SO rude and insensitive!!!!"

Yet, you people have a very good way of taking the WHOLE meaning - offensive or not - and using bits and pieces.

Come, on people. It's like quoting someone in an interview - mention the other stuff before you hammer me on one little part.

Therefore, my explanation:

The comment, "isn't the(a) big purpose of homosexuality an excuse to ram someone up the butt?" was meant to include the sexuality of the lifestyle.

Granted, the thing was highly offensive if you were to just read it like it was - until you read further on when I said:

"...if we're going to talk about the 'love' and 'attraction' and the other garbage the YouthNOISE liberals spew out about this lifestyle (notice I didn't say 'race'), the sexual characteristics is a given and should be discussed as well."


There.