I like how you people circumvented the original meaning of my post.

Of course, if someone were to look at what you guys put, which was the "up the butt" quip, they would think, "OMG that guy is SO rude and insensitive!!!!"

Yet, you people have a very good way of taking the WHOLE meaning - offensive or not - and using bits and pieces.

Come, on people. It's like quoting someone in an interview - mention the other stuff before you hammer me on one little part.

Therefore, my explanation:

The comment, "isn't the(a) big purpose of homosexuality an excuse to ram someone up the butt?" was meant to include the sexuality of the lifestyle.

Granted, the thing was highly offensive if you were to just read it like it was - until you read further on when I said:

"...if we're going to talk about the 'love' and 'attraction' and the other garbage the YouthNOISE liberals spew out about this lifestyle (notice I didn't say 'race'), the sexual characteristics is a given and should be discussed as well."


There.

If love for homosexuals is bull****, then so is love for hetrosexuals. I mean, why not just anaylize what love is? And what about bisexuals? Are you saying that someone who is bisexual can love a woman, but his attrraction to men is just an "excuse to ram someone up the butt"? How do you know, anyway? How many homosexual and bisexual people did you talk to? And you do realize hetrosexuals have anal sex, too, right? There's huge gaps in your logic, Joey, however you might try to make us think you know what you're talking about. Or maybe you should just stop using 'liberals' as a dirty word.

Homosexuality as an excuse to "ram someone up the butt". Damn. I've never even heard that one before. Let me be the first to say that's the most idiotic statement I've ever heard on the subject of ethics and sexuality. And this discussion of love and attraction being garbage? Urg.

I've said it before, and I'll probably end up saying it again. You don't know what you're talking about. I know this is supposed to be a debate with countering views, morals, yadda yadda, and I'm fine with that -- but how dare you tell me and other *****s that we can't feel love and lust just like everybody else.


Love, Jenny

jstar, isn't the(a) big purpose of homosexuality an excuse to ram someone up the butt?


Seriously, if we're going to talk about the "love" and "attraction" and the other garbage the YouthNOISE liberals spew out about this lifestyle (notice I didn't say "race"), the sexual characteristics is a given and should be discussed as well.


I know, I know - the topic did trail off.


But seriously.

And hey, would you, if you get time, e-mail me or IM me sometime? I'd like to talk to you more.


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I love this:

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i am not gay, but

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Why do people feel the need to preface they're "tolerance" with a clarification about their own sexuality as if it was something to be protected against or otherwise disclaimered.

Your personal sexuality is not at question, your opinion is.

I agree that it was a weird turn for the discussion, but I also think it can be a productive one. How can we have a discussion about homosexuality without discussing heterosexuality? Isn't what really upsets people the thought of two people having sexual relations that deviate from what we consider "normal?" I think it's good that we're establishing and challenging our conceptions of normalcy in investigating the way we feel about ab-normalality. Where do we draw the line of what makes us uncomfortable...if it isn't at missionary, where is it? If it isn't at fetishism, where is it? If it isn't at b i-sexuality or swinging from chandeliers or whatever floats someone's particular boat, where is it? This is important stuff to think about and have formulated opinions about if we're going to continue a discussion started by the suggestion that people who make us uncomfortable should be put in jail.

I find it interestind that a discussion on homosexuality has turned into one on sex positions.

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I'm confused...are you being sarcastic RockGirl? Cause if not, good luck ever having an orgasm.

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Haha, yes, I was being sarcastic. I'll try not to be so subtle.

Right,
I suggested neither acrobatics from a chandelier nor toys of any kind. All I'm saying is that a large percentage of women fail to reach climax from intercourse alone, fewer still from run-of-the-mill missionary bumping and grinding.

I hesitate to speculate on your own experience. Maybe you've rounded the bases a few times when the pitcher was tired, but if missionary is it for you, you'll never be Babe Ruth or even Craig Paquette. There are lots of things infinitely better for all parties involved. If all you do is swing away at every pitch, you're not being a team player and perhaps should work on your own technique or lack thereof.

This is a response to brook35 and her reply about making love. I dont know who you are with but if you cant have the big-O in the missionary position then I believe you both need to work on your techniques. The last time I checked you didnt have to have toys or even swing from a light to have the ever elusive big-O in the bedroom or what ever room you have it in.

I'd just like stick up for the majority of Christians who are against homosexual lifestyles...because those I know are not as close minded and brutal as princess, here. (I thought it was sarcasm at first.) I may be against the homosexual lifestyle (please don't try to debate this...I've heard the arguments and we just need to agree to disagree) but I would never suggest ostracizing gays or throwing them in jail, or harming them, etc. etc. etc. To be honest, this was the first time I've ever heard somebody seriously suggest jail time for homosexuals.

There is already an abundance of gay issue boards elsewhere, is it really necessary to start new ones?

Yes, I agree with you babby. It's like it doesn't matter if you're a good person, if you're gay you should go to jail. I'm being sarcastic btw, but that seems like what princess is implying. Close minded people suck....I quote one of my favorite sayings "Why do people with closed minds always open their mouths?" Princess, do you know anyone that is gay? And if you do, do they really belong in jail? You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think you're overstating things by saying all homosexuals should go to jail. It will take a whole lot more than "because god said so" to convince me that homosexuality is wrong. You can't help who you are attracted to. I may not ne gay, but of you have an natural attraction to someone, why let something like gender get in the way?

i am not gay, but i am 100% against what princces wrote. y should it bother anyone so much if a person perfers someone who's the same sex as them, its their life that their living not yours. and as for the God thing, he did put Adam and Eve here on earth, and not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. But how do you know that God didnt put two others of the same sex being attrected??? would you honestly think anything like that would be written in the bible?? i am not against gays and lesbian, i think they should follow what feels right to them, and what princces wrote about how they should be put in jail for having feelings for people their same sex if the dumbest thing that i have ever heard

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The only sex anyone should be allowed to have is missionary-style, with the man on top and the lights off, cause that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be done.

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I'm confused...are you being sarcastic RockGirl? Cause if not, good luck ever having an orgasm.

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So if homosexuality is a psychological problem, a choice, a WRONG choice as so many of you seem to think, then are the other sexual deviations WRONG choices too, just as unnatural and against God's order of things? Shouldn't it logically follow then that they get put in jail too?

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You've got a point there. The only sex anyone should be allowed to have is missionary-style, with the man on top and the lights off, cause that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be done. Anyone who does anything else is a freak!

I suppose, to some degree, sexual orientation is psychological, or a result of a psychological, um, something (I don't know the right word).
Ex: (I'm sure I'll regret bringing this up, but what the hey) The Catholic priest is barred to a celibate lifestyle, which, frankly puts a strain on the mind. These sex scandals that seem to be endless, could they be results of the psyche wanting/needing for normal behavior (not saying that molesting children is normal, I meant the sexual urge is normal)...

And yes, sexual orientation can be repressed, however, at what cost? More psychological damage to breed who knows what types of evil.

But a state of mind? This I question. Explain?

Adam and Adam. Haven't heard that before. It's usually "Adam and Steve". Adam and Adam would be wrong because, uh, it's the same person? Then again, to each his own.

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If AIDS is G-d's punishment for homosexuals why, when they repent or convert, do they not heal or get cured? Where is the forgiveness?

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True, that, true. I'd love to hear the answer for that one.

There are all kinds of deviations from "normal" sexual behaviors. For the sake of argument, let's say that homosexuality is a purely psychological phenomenon, not a biological one (which I totally don't believe since there is SO much evidence that homosexuality might be a natural biological phenomenon). But let's just say it's "environmental" or phsychological.

There are people with sexual disorders that ARE environmental or psychological, like people who are crossdress for sexual stimulation or people with shoe and foot fetishes or leather fetishes or role playing fetishes, or S&M, etc, etc. Sociologically speaking these are not "normal" sexual behaviors (though they occur with significantly more frequency than you might assume). So if homosexuality is a psychological problem, a choice, a WRONG choice as so many of you seem to think, then are the other sexual deviations WRONG choices too, just as unnatural and against God's order of things? Shouldn't it logically follow then that they get put in jail too? Your mother or the mailman or your teacher or a stranger on the bus...shouldn't they go to jail to for the deviation from normalcy they exhibit in the bedroom? That's just stupid.

Dante I believe the reason for them not healing is simply that god doesnt heal their bodies due to the fact that he is healing their souls. It has never been stated in the bible that the physical is more important than the spiritual. Because in the bible our flesh is weak and will die while in the bible our spirits will live on for eternity!