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I used that quote to refute that, even though you're non-religious, you still used a bible reference.

Jaymeister, can you please check that my statements are towards you. All the things you have challenged me on were nothing to do with you. If someone talks of the bible, I am allowed to talk about the bible two. If someone talks about the White Australia policy, I am allowed to reply TO HIM about that, without you for some reason thinking it was aimed at you (which makes NO sense).

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Perversion is something sick and twisted, not a legitimate poulation out to recieve the rights they whole heartedly deserve without the interference of closemindedness.

Address what I said. Would it not be perverted for a man to marry a 10 year old girl. Would it not be perverted for a man to marry a cow. Would it not be perverted for a man to marry another m... no scratch that one . You can not reject that pervertion is a valid concept. For the same reason you can not reject that greed is not a valid concept. Real is not refutable.

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1901 is when Australia became a country. So it was a founding policy.

You mean when the states were federated into the Australian nation-state, or something along those lines? Australia was always a country, even when there were only aboriginals . Australia was different to the US. All the states were British colonies, and we aren't the United States of Australia.

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I was just calling into question your use of quotes from a historically prejudiced country.

And im just saying thats DAMN RICH coming from an AMERICAN, you ULTRA-HIPOCRITE, thats all . Find me a country that has been VOID of prejudice.
Think before you type.

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And to correct you, the White Australia policy was not a founding policy. It was introduced around 1900 (I think, and not that its relevant).

1901 is when Australia became a country. So it was a founding policy.

And I know it's not really relevant. I was just calling into question your use of quotes from a historically prejudiced country.

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Dude, U R so full of bile. Ease up. Im about as religous as richard dawkins. Whats the point in that attack? Are you trying to pin me a religous so you can use your probably well practiced anti-religous attacks?

I used that quote to refute that, even though you're non-religious, you still used a bible reference. The fact is, inside of religion, there's no refutation. Ask anyone whom has seen my posts, I'm not some noobie out cursing religion and those who believe. I've seen my share of repulsion, and I have learned how to find truth in it, and refute it to find the real answer. I am against ignorance and anyone who follows it's creed.
Are there any things you could give me scientifically?

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Now why are people bringing race into a debate about homos.

Because I already told you that I don't think of homosexuals as a race, it'd be a clear indicator of my intent to use the "interracial couples are not allowed to be married in NC" fact as that in some places, the system is so backed up that it's still on issues that have been resolved since '65. That shows the prejudice of the area; think of what they feel towards homosexuals.

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And to correct you, the White Australia policy was not a founding policy.

I refuted that because that is, simply, Australia. Not the US.

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Now im not saying society is completely perverted, Im just saying 2 to go

The only perversion is going on the "abnormality" complex. The fact is, people revulse difference. That's nature. "Change is the enemy!" Perversion is something sick and twisted, not a legitimate poulation out to recieve the rights they whole heartedly deserve without the interference of closemindedness.

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Like say, an old man and a young girl? One does question where this ends. Maybe in the future, People will be able to marry anyone of any age, race, gender, or species. We've got 2, 2 more to go. Now im not saying society is completely perverted, Im just saying 2 to go

I'll never understand how people draw a line from legalizing gay marriage to legalizing inter-species marriage. I've yet to meet anyone who's in favor of marrying their dog.

And oh just because GOD said homosexuality how would you really know he said that? Did you talk to him? Have you ever stopped and wonder if the Bible was made by some guy who just has a lot of bull sh** in his head? If GOD really sayd HOMOSEXUALITY is bad why won't he send a message? How would you know of God really made Adam and Eve?

PrincessMonica12....you are despicable...I don't know how you can live on by judging people the way they are...I mean YOU call this freedom when people aren't able to do anything that makes them happy in LIFE?!? How would you like it if you were thrown in prison because someone stole from a bank and you were there during it huh? Thats how other people feel when people like you bring them down.. You may think its funny but its not. Your playing with other peoples lives here how would you like it if you weren't able to be happy with a guy just because the government wouldn't want to let you huh?

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anyone who is one should be put in prison. Its just NOT RIGHT!

Thats a little harsh isn't it? If you "love God" so much, God wanted everyone to love each other equally, and apparantly, your not doing that very well! God does everything for a reason, and making homosexuals were just ojne of His creations. LOVE THEM FOR THEM!

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Me: Imprisoning homos is a Nazi ideology.
Jay:No it's not.

Um, im pretty sure it is

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Give me ANY example that proves that the Bible is infalliable. Do believe, like i've heard before, that the dinosaur fossils were PLACED there by evolutionists to disprove the genesis theory? Or do you lack any critial thinking capacity?

Dude, U R so full of bile. Ease up. Im about as religous as richard dawkins. Whats the point in that attack? Are you trying to pin me a religous so you can use your probably well practiced anti-religous attacks?

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Did you know that, even though it is usually ignored, interracial couples are still not allowed to be married? + Would this be the same Australian society that was founded on the idea that it would be white-only?

Now why are people bringing race into a debate about homos. That makes as much sense as demanding that when I quote what someone said, I am using it as a "proof". Oh, and perhaps we should discredit anything said by anyone, due to the now out of favour past actions of their respective societies? Clever. And to correct you, the White Australia policy was not a founding policy. It was introduced around 1900 (I think, and not that its relevant).

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The reality is that gay people are here and no group of people or words will stop their existence. Not to mention that they are still just as much a human being as anyone other person.

Agreed.

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What is this one man/one woman approach. Is it not proven that there are more women than men on earth? Thus, shouldn't homosexuality make since?

As would having lots of wives

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Not to mention that there is homosexualtiy everywhere even in nature. For exmaple, male sea horses can be preganent.

Yeah, but another male sea horse doesn't do it to them old boy

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I could very well quote someone else saying, "Our society respects that marriage is between two humans who love each other" and we'd be on equal ground.

Like say, an old man and a young girl? One does question where this ends. Maybe in the future, People will be able to marry anyone of any age, race, gender, or species. We've got 2, 2 more to go. Now im not saying society is completely perverted, Im just saying 2 to go .

I agree with aleeksandra118, homophobia is wrong. I think as human beings, we tend to isolate ourselves from things that we find to be "foreign." If people feel as if homosexuality is going to make them happy then they should go along and fulfill their right to happiness. So many of us are "gaybashing" and I think it is wrong. Yes, you may not understand it, but shun a group of people due to your ignorance and hostility to change

I havent't been on this site in about 5 months and it really does bother me to come back and see this same topic still going.

The reality is that gay people are here and no group of people or words will stop their existence. Not to mention that they are still just as much a human being as anyone other person. If being gay was wrong or unnatural then nature or w/e divine force you believe in would have already gotten rid of it.

I've always been astonished at how people of the church adn of strict religions exercise so much hate. How dare any of them speak for god. How dare any of them try to project an interpretation of the bible againt other people. The main message of the bible is ACCEPTANE..or at least thats a major point. If you cannot exercise this as a custom to your life then you have no right to label yourself a follower of any religion.

I greatly stress this question all the time. Where is the compassion? Do people not realize what their actions, attitudes and words can do top people? Is it truly that hard to just live and let live. If I go marry a man tomorrow will you stop breathing? No. you should be greatful that god has blessed his children with the abitility to love.

What is this one man/one woman approach. Is it not proven that there are more women than men on earth? Thus, shouldn't homosexuality make since? Not to mention that there is homosexualtiy everywhere even in nature. For exmaple, male sea horses can be preganent.


Tis was all a bit of a rant bu the main focus here is to put YOU in the shoes of a gay person.

what is so hard about just accepting gay people for who they are? they're still people and people get to marry each other, so why shouldn't gay people be able to?

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As Australias prime-minister put it "Our society respects that marriage is between a man and a woman".

Would this be the same Australian society that was founded on the idea that it would be white-only? And what, may I ask, does Australia have to do with anything? I could very well quote someone else saying, "Our society respects that marriage is between two humans who love each other" and we'd be on equal ground. Quotes don't prove anything.

A pastor was put in jail for reading this to his congregation. He was trying to tell everyone that we all fall short of the glory of God, but the only people offended were the homosexuals. Everyone else either listened to what the pastor said or it went right over their heads...

"Or do you not know the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, not effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

God doesn't hate the homosexual, He hates the sin he/she is committing. Jesus Christ died on the cross so we all would be able to stand before the throne of God and have fellowship with Him. Jesus is the "bridge", so to speak, that gives us ability to know God in a one-on-one relationship. God doesn't condone any sin. It's ALL an abomination to HIm.

In the Bible the commandment for marriage reads: "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." (Ephesians 5:31) There are absolutely no references to a male/male marriage or a female/female marriage. These types of relationships are an abomination to the Lord.

Like I stated earlier, God hates the sin, not the sinner and He waits patiently for us all to want to accept Him. Free will. He wants your love, but only if you want to exercise your fee will and give it to Him freely.

sorry, it was supposed to say "...not allowed to be married in North Carolina?"

And I know that the last post of mine wasn't the best, or well written for that matter, but it's been a long day.

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Furthermore, discrimination, is still discrimination under any name. Did you know that, even though it is usually ignored, interracial couples are still not allowed to be married?

Umm what? Are you talking about in the US or the rest of the world? I'm confused.

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Wouldn't Eve have the nearly the SAME genes as Adam, because she was sort of a female clone of him? (Made from his rib).

Lets start this theology aside. Actually, no. Give me ANY example that proves that the Bible is infalliable. Do believe, like i've heard before, that the dinosaur fossils were PLACED there by evolutionists to disprove the genesis theory? Or do you lack any critial thinking capacity?

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Damn right. As Australias prime-minister put it "Our society respects that marriage is between a man and a woman".

Damn wrong. First, don't use a quote from an Australian prime-minister about the US's marrital prejudice. Marriage is the ENTIRE act, including the secular document signing. So, technically, by that one "flaw", marriage is not a religious act. Besides, one can get a civil union, which is secular, and call that a marriage.

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Err, yes, very unfortunate .

First, don't even think that heterosexual couples don't abuse the tax benifits. A heterosexual couple is twice as likely to marry for tax reasons.

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Um, homos are a race? Maybe us heteros are a race. Cool!

Don't try to be facetious. I agree that homosexuals are not a race, but I do agree that it still falls under civil rights, because being AMERICAN citizens, we are required to have the same rights as heterosexuals. Furthermore, discrimination, is still discrimination under any name. Did you know that, even though it is usually ignored, interracial couples are still not allowed to be married?

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Er, thats a bit too extreme, isn't it? Sure its gross, but it is an affliction, not a choice. Imprisoning homos is a Nazi ideology.

No it's not. In some state constitutions, it allows for the imprisonment of adulterers, sodomites, and homosexuals. Also, countries around the world imprison, torture and murder homosexuals under RELIGIOUS convictions. Also, there are plenty of groups in the US trying to pass legal, NAZI_IST behavioral legistlation. Christian Identity, Christian Coalition, Westboro Baptist Church, Army of God, KKK (which is ALLOWED under the constitution), D.O.C., and many other groups who use religion and supremicist ideals in their attacks on open mindedness.

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though they were sister and brother they could have totally different genes.

Wouldn't Eve have the nearly the SAME genes as Adam, because she was sort of a female clone of him? (Made from his rib).

As for the 'genetic predetermination' of homos, how exactly can it be inherited?

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Marriage is an institution that is inherently biased and socially rigid.

Damn right. As Australias prime-minister put it "Our society respects that marriage is between a man and a woman".

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Unfortunately it also provides a number of benefits, including many important legal status recognitions in terms of health care and other things,

Err, yes, very unfortunate .

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like you who spew racist ideologies are part of the problem in this country.

Um, homos are a race? Maybe us heteros are a race. Cool!

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anyone who is one should be put in prison.

Er, thats a bit too extreme, isn't it? Sure its gross, but it is an affliction, not a choice. Imprisoning homos is a Nazi ideology.

One of the most banal, misguided arguments out there. Plain and simple homosexuality has scientifically been shown not to be a choice. Exactly what the cause is remains unknown. There are theories of homosexual genes or theories of genes that express gender atypical behaviors, uncontrolled, that lead to homosexuality- genetics influences by environment. But nowhere do they suggest a choice.

And certainly I never chose for myself a life of being oppressed, undermined, made feel at odds with society because they only promote love as being heterosexual. I've not chosen to feel disconnected, to feel silent because I was afraid I'd be completely shunned. People like you who spew racist ideologies are part of the problem in this country. And it's a general pattern that holds true for most minority, non-Christian, non-male groups, unfortunately.

Marriage is an institution that is inherently biased and socially rigid. Unfortunately it also provides a number of benefits, including many important legal status recognitions in terms of health care and other things, that homosexual couples ought to have. Continuing to exclude them only reinforces its exclusivity and a social repression of minority groups. Opening it up at least breaks down some of these barriers. The struggle against gay marriage is not really that unlike the struggle against interracial marraiges many years ago. Maybe someone would get a clue that we are continuing to uphold anti-democratic ideals and notions as we have throughout much of our history as a country. It's a shame really.

And to Princess Monica, give me some data that suggest that gay adoptions and gay couples humilitate their adopted or surrogate kids. I haven't seen any studies to suggest that, at least not any that have been supported further. In fact, gay couples seem to foster healthy relationships with their children and be generally successful. And if anything they help to show a younger generation or other parents that they're perfectly capable and perfectly human.

The fact of the matter is that gay people are just as much human as anyone else is. They're not lesser in anyway. At least more and more Christians are accepting this notion and accepting homosexuality. Maybe the fundamentalists can learn they're were inherently all human at some point.