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i hate hearing anyone whine "poor me, poor us" because of race.. that is a cop out in most cases.. i think everyone should be equal or stop whining when some other race does exactly what you do..

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Ditto.

i believe i have explained my nationality on another board.. so i will not go through all that again.. how ever i do think in some ways whites are the victims of racism... as someone else mentioned here it is a double standard.. they have a BLACK miss america(or USA, i don't really remember or care) yet if they had a WHITE miss america contest, some black people would have a stroke.. that is racist no matter how you look at it... there is no white history month, white TV station, etc.. and if someone tried to start one it would be condemned as racist... also Aff action can and is racist in some places.. it was a good idea back when the majority of schools and business simply would not hire or except a black person (or any other minority) because they were black.. it is NOT that way these days.. that is a fact.. yes there are some places that discriminate but by and large it is not that way.. just in case anyone forgot or tries to use the you just can't understand crap, i am not 100% white, i am more native american than anything, 3/4 apache... i hate hearing anyone whine "poor me, poor us" because of race.. that is a cop out in most cases.. i think everyone should be equal or stop whining when some other race does exactly what you do..

kilow: Not where I'm from. Heh.

I'm white, and in NY, I feel like the minority.

Did you know, they're trying to make Spanish the number one speaking language in NY?

I went to an alternative high school for three years. In my first year, there were only two other whites in the program.

Once, me and my Mother were told that we weren't the right color, when trying to apply for section 8.



...I think you get my point.

I wish we all where colorblind...maybe life would be so much different...COLORBLIND ALL THE WAY!!!

You all are ****in stupid. "Best man for the job"...I agree. UNFORTUNATELY (and this seems like what some white people can't get through their damn heads) THERE ARE STILL, YES, FO REAL, SERIOUSLY, RACIST PEOPLE OUT THERE. Trust me, I'm not ****tin ya. Just cause it doesn't happen to y'all doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Again, affirmative action is more of a safeguard against this. If we got rid of affirmative action, it wouldn't be "best man for the job" all the time. Damn people, why you think we got affirmative action in the first place? Just for the hell of it? And it is fair to the MAJOR races (in America, I assume you're talking bout white people) cause they are the ones that started this bull**** in the first place. You all are already at an advantage in America. What exactly is unfair about affirmative action to white people? Does it keep you from getting jobs? No. And DigIt, what the hell do you mean there is no such thing as a majority anymore? Whites still hold the majority population-wise. And when I talk about majority, I'm mostly talking about having control of society. White people are at the center of this society. It revolves around them. You all need to wake up. No, racism isn't as obvious these days, but it's alive and thriving (usually more in the form of prejudice). Yes, it has cooled down some, but it's still there. Try seeing some one elses side. Damn.

the "major" races... hence the quotes...

There's no such thing as a majority, not anymore.

It's not fair to the "major" races.

Affirmative Action is wrong.

Best man for the job, I say.

Hold up now. what percentage of Michigan University is black? Only 8 damn percent. What percentage is minority? 23 percent. Big deal, what a diservice is being given to the white kids in America.....again, affirmative action is more of a safeguard, not a hook up.

I think affirmative action is reverse discrimination. People should get chosen to go to college because of their grades not race.

Getting a 4.0 however (also a part of acedemics mind you) is worth more than 20 points. Alone, or in conjunction with SAT/ACT you can be pretty much assured entrance, unless possibly you were arrested on felony murder.

Work hard, you'll get in.

Don't know where you got that rubbish from. It's worth 12 point on the U of M scale.

To clarify: I think scoring a 1600 is worth 1 EXTRA point on the SAT's, sorry for the confusion.

Affirmative Action doesn't help you get into a school as much as academics??? Hahahahahaha. Then explain this to me, VeganQueen, why is it, that scoring a perfect 1600 on the SAT's counts for 1 point in Michigan University's admission system, and being black counts for 20 points? My point is, however, that by giving minorities an advantage, we are victimizing them and putting them in a rut that they cant excape from. It also opens the door for things like "We'll, he got in because he's black.", which is a pity. Im not at all racist, I just wished we lived in a color-blind society where race is not a factor. Affirmative action needs to go.

Snoop, thanks for responding. I don't see a problem, in theory, with what your friend and his family are getting. Native Americans got straight up jacked, and were left in shambles. Reparations are the least that can be done. Now, if the reparations aren't used wisely, that's not good, but it's still his choice. The issue that always seems to be overlooked is the damage that is done. Secondly, I don't see the problem with me saying "white". What did you mean by the technical term? Caucasian? I don't see how saying white is making a generalization. My whole argument comes down to majority vs. minority in America, and how the majority (being white people of course) a lot of times doesn't see things from a black person's perspective. I didn't mean all white people. Sorry if I didn't clarify that. And I don't think my last comment was off the wall. I am color blind (for the most part, we all have our little prejudices to a point) in the way I treat people. But it makes no sense to be colorblind when it comes to race relations. I was simply saying that white people often do not see our (a black person's) perspective. Of course I can't be colorblind about that cause the subject itself is not colorblind. I don't see how that's off the wall. I hope I cleared things up and we can continue this conversation.
Peace, kilow

i see where you're coming from on the issue that you still have to work hard to acheive your goals, but take for instance an experience that i have witnessed. i have a friend who has a native american father and a mother from europe. he is an idiot. i'm sorry for saying so, but he is. however, the government pays for his house, sends him and his family money every week just for spending on whatever they would like to, they also receive specific grocery credits, and on top of that, the college of his choice will receive a certain amount of the government's money if he is accepted, and he has been accepted into a decent college because of his minorital status. kilow, you said that a lot of white people believe that minorities receive special treatment and whatnot... you also asked how many times we're discriminated against for our color... hmm... correct me if i'm wrong, but by saying what "white" people think is a generalization, thus discrimination... don't get me wrong, i'm not offended, but if you're going to say something, address it in its technical form. in addition, you're last comment was a bit off-the-wall for this forum don't you think? "our perspective"...??? now now now... i thought you were in support of color-blindness. if you ask me, i say there is a definite problem when we actual see each other as different people to be classified as "us" and "you" because of our color. sorry for being so blunt all the time, but i feel no need to talk around a subject.
god bless,
snoopy

Right on Vegan. A lot white people think minorities get automatically accepted. That's straight up bull****. Many also believe that it is reverse discrimination, because they are blinded by their position in society. How many white people in society are discriminated against daily cause of their color? Not many. White people have almost always been the aggressors and not on the receiving end. I know I will be jumped cause everyone thinks I'm extreme, but before anyone responds to this, take into consideration our perspective. It's a lot different when you're the one being hunted.

No one is given a "free ride" because they are a minority. Affirmative action takes into CONSIDERATION your background. A native American that applies to Harvard, who has an egregious GPA and SAT scores will not get accepted simply because his is Native AMerican. Academic achievement remains the main determining factor with Affirmative action. Aff Action realizes that many minority students don't have access to acceptable school systems( schools nurture academic development), and takes into account these disadvantages. I am a black female whose GPA is 3.5 and I've been accepted to Temple University. Growing up in the slums of Bed-Stuy NY, I clearly wasn't lucky enough to have access to a good school environment. However, I perservered and made the best out of my studies, got accepted to National Honor Society, and have been involved in numerous community activities. I am the quintessential AFF Action's objective.


I suggest everyone read NEWSWEEK's article on AFF ACTION

ok, i think it's positively ridiculous that anybody should get a free ride to college because of their nationality, race, religion, creed, etc...

i don't think anyone should have these things given to them unless they've worked hard to earn it. why should one person, who's not the least bit intellegent (i'm not saying any races are less intellegent then others... i'm speaking hypothetically) receive a full paid admission into a college, when somebody who works their tail off barely earns a scholarship into the place and has to pay large amounts of money to attend? i don't understand the point. it's just ignorant.

i am totally in support of color-blindness. the world would be a better place.

god bless,
snoop