Smruf, do you think he did that pun on purpose? No ****in' way! It was an accident, I doubt he knows what a pun is.

Salaam

"Not one valid argument".

Do you ACTUALLY have the audacity and the stupidity to think you are MORE intelligent then me and ComradeSmurf? Do you actaully think that? My god, you're dumb. Any educated conservative would complain that you disgrace the right-wing!

You respond without evidence, without elaboration, with eloquence...

Your argument is based on the premise that you are willing to kill anyone who hurts your family/"friends". Well, you make me appreciative, appreacitive I live in a suburaban home, and not a trailer.

Salaam (And I still wish that upon you, and all people.)

Also, what's with "death ears?"

Are you going for......DEAF maybe?

Or is that supposed to be a pun?

You know, a BAD pun?

Jah Love

"the only smack down is your waste of space"

That's possibly the least clever thing I've ever seen written.
YOUR only argument is that murderers should die because you want them to.

Meanwhile, we've said that not using the Death Penalty costs less, doesnt kill innocent people or kill people in a rascist manner, it could be even more cruel if you want to think about it that way, and it protects society in exactly the same way.

You are badly educated Dogma in action, my trailer trash friend.

No, only joking.


You're not my friend.

blah blah blah...the only smack down is your waste of space...you don't have one valid argument, hard for anyone to take you serious....which I'm not....you are both pathetic jokes.

try to knock me down all you want....I still keep on laughing, the pathetic voice of my competitors falls on many death ears.

Bumbaclotts

Face it Billy, this debate has been a complete smack down. Assume the fetal position, and return to normal when your thumb is dangerously saturated.

Salaam

Well, as I already said, if you thought through revenge, being in jail for 50-60 years is probably worse than death, and of course there's all the other valid arguments.

But...if you're going to take the immature path...

Go home Child, and go get wasted or something.

Jah Love

i think that the death penalty is sometimes neccesary, and shouldnt be banned. but i do think that b4 someone is convicted 2 the death penalty, we should think more carefully about it, because there are people who commit crimes that i dont think deserve the death penalty

ummm....I would respond to your answer to me....but it was lame...so....yup

kill them, I like to kill scum, it makes me feel good. Revenge is sweet, especially when served with 9,000 volts of pure energy!!!!! Like I said about the gang members, the part you refused to answer, it does deture future killers. But I don't even care about that...if someone kills my family, I want to **** on their grave

C'mon peoples, more of you must have opinions on the DP, and if theres some fallicious reasoning in my arguments I want to know!

Salaam

My god, you have no idea how to respond to my arguments.

Salaam

Whatever, I'll make my own topic.

Never sinned? Not even when he was a little boy?
I actaully know how Evolution works, maybe if you knew to you wouldn't be an ignorant creationist.

THIS IS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY! Respond to my freakin' essay about it.

Salaam

Ok, how can you say the Bible does not relate to Jesus. God inspired the Bible; it is His Holy Word. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three in one, the Trinity. The whole Bible is about man's sin nature and their need to repent and be saved, and the only way to do that is by believing that God sent Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. Jesus was holy and never sinned.

So, how am I brainwashed? You're brainwashed if you believe in evolution. By the way, I'm not the one that brought up religion and the Bible.

With the Death Penalty its not the Government thats unfair with race, its juries. There's a big difference between the two.

Salaam

For the Bible to be of any use, it HAS to lay down universal principles, it can't just encourage different actions for different situations...why?

Because this isn't 0 BC. The situations of today are not the situations of yesteryear, so if the Bible can't lay down universal principles, you can't honestly follow its rules for living.

Now, I can be down with many of the principles of the Magical Cosmic Hippy, cleverly disguised as a jewish guy that you like to call Jesus. But Jesus has very little to do with about anything else that happens in the Bible. But, I mean, you read it in school, so it must be right! Not like your parents and teachers could possibly be mislead, right?

Wow, this is kinda far removed from the Death Penalty, but you brought up religion, so I am required to law the smackdown.

Jah Love.

I cannot wait to see how you reply to the rest of my points.

Salaam

I think for myself too! Yes, I know that the government is sometimes unfair because of race, but it is not as bad as it used to be. I don't feel like arguing right now, but I will later.

Thats not a history book your reading. History books present everything ACCURATELY from a secular perspective.

The Death Penalty works, so that convicts who take a plea bargain, escape it. But plea bargainers are usually guilty, they just want a less harsh sentence. Whereas innocents, almost always continue with the trial depsite having the deck stacked against them. So that innocents, when convicted of a capitol crime, usually end up on Death Row. You get it now? Fine, more it is.

Deterrence. The Death Penalty is not an effective detterent. 80% of executions occur in the South, but the Souths murder rate is higher then that of any region, and significantly above the National rate. (South: 6.7 per 100,000, National: 5.6 per 100,000.) But wait, there's more!

The Death Penalty is ethically inpermissable. Okay, so we don't torture torturers, or rape rapists, or steal from thieves, right? We don't do so, because it would be cruel and unusual, even if it would go by lex talonious, let the punishment fit the crime. So why do we kill killers? Why is that the ONE area where we try to have the punishment fit the crime? Well, for one the punishment doesn't fit the crime, in some states a rapist can be executed, but in others the same execution will occur for a serial murderer. So if its ethically inpermissable to rape a rapist, or torture a tortureer, why is it ehtical permissable to kill a killer?

Because of racist juries, the Death Penalty is more likely to be applied unjustly, Blacks and Hispanics are much more likely to be executed whereas whites get a life sentnce.

Even if the convict is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, prison gives the con the opprotunity to redeem himself, even if its life without parole.

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So, where do YOU think I should base my principles???

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I came to my conclusions about the Death Penalty after reading articles on the subject, (Pro, and anti, I even read Van Den Haag.) and seeing statistics about how it is applied, how many innocents are killed, and its deterrent effect. (Or lack thereof) I also tried something else out, I thought for myself! Crazy isn't it?

Salaam

1st of all, that was in my school history book (I go to a Christian school and we're two school years ahead of the public schools academically)
The Bible teaches different things for different situations; it does not contradict itself, we just don't always understand what it says.
Yes, Genesis is the first book of the Bible and that's where the Creation is stated. And, I do find the Bible very reliable.

So, where do YOU think I should base my principles???