Genesis, isn't that the section that says the Universe was created in 4004 B.C.E.? And all in 7 days? Well, of course this section is reliable in teaching truth.

Not.

Salaam

Luvjp, that's not a history book, that's a pamphlet of lies your church gave you. Just so you understand basic terms.

Really, the bible could be used to back up ANYTHING. Why? Because the Bible is inconsistent, plain and simple. If you base your principles on the bible, you HAVE no real principles. The Bible will preach complete nonviolence in one section and encourage bloody revenge in another. Cracker.

Jah Love.

Its not giving the criminal another chance. They're still in prison idiot! Its just saying that the criminals welfare, DOES matter, if not as much as a non-criminal. Deterrence over revenge. Try some logic.

Oh, and the Bible isn't relavent for arguments. Since it was written thousands of years ago by insanse people.

Salaam

The law shouldn't operate by Hammurabi's Code.

"Two wrongs don't make a right."

"And surely your blood of of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it. and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth blood be shed; for in the image of God made he man."

My history book says that "God instituted capital punishment to discourage murder and to teach mankind the value of human life. I still do not understand why you believe that a person that has commited murder deserves another chance. They have already been given one. By the way, I think this is more than one or two sentences.

i dont think that the u.s. should use the death penalty. i think that god should be the only person or spirit to take away someones life. it snot fair, unless they commited a crime so bad that they deserve it. thats all i have to say bout that.

Saying the Death Penalty brings closure to victimes families is just sick. Thats letting them indulge themselves and be vengeful.

Salaam

Now thats thinking for yourself!

By the way the Bible says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Both of those can be used against the Death Penalty. Along with, "forgive theem father, they know not what they do" (Can be used against executing retarded immates.)

I also think your an idiot who never writes more then 1 or 2 sentences.

Salaam

Fine, you think whatever you want to think. I'll go by what the Bible says.

If you refuse to elaborate its because your an idiot. You don't want to prove me wrong, fine. The Death Penalty is still morally and logically wrong.

Salaam

Oh yeah, I'm listening, and I'm probably hearing more of what you're saying than you do.
What I hear you saying is that you like violence. You like plain, simple revenge, kill everyone that does something bad. You can't really think through it, because you're just in it for the death.

Well, when has violence ever NOT begotten more violence? Looking back in history, pretty much never. Oh yeah, you can make arguments for when violence led to good things, but you're probably going to be wrong. World War II came out with Germany and Japan being leading industrialized nations with healthier democracies than the United States not because we gave them a walloping milatarily, but because of the support and aide we gave them. Germany "lost" in World War I, as well, but they came back as a fascist state and started World War II because of the incredibly bad deal the Allies gave Germany.
Primitive, revengeful thinking leads to more primitive behaviour.
Violence leads nowhere

Jah Love.

[This message was edited by YNLissa on May 24, 2003 at 03:10 PM.]

Yep, I still think I'm right and you're wrong because why shouldn' they be killed? They took someone else's life? They were given a chance, they don't need to sit in prison for the rest of their lives. They need to die!!! I don't feel like elaborating because I know you won't listen.

*And you still think I'm wrong and your right?

Wow, iluvjp, can you say simplistic and unsophisticated? Because I can, and thats what you are. Try ELABORATING, its the new craze in town. And you still think I'm right and your wrong?

Salaam

Isn't keeping someone in a cramped, dirty jail cell for the rest of their lives FIVE HUNDRED TIMES WORSE A PUNISHMENT FOR CRIMINALS? I mean, if you're a nice little brain-washed Christian you think that as soon as they're executed, they go to hell for eternity. But, imagine having to live in a jail cell for maybe even 50 years? If you hate murderers (Most of whom are created by poverty) why don't you want them to live in a jail cell? They're going to go to hell anyway, according to your beliefs. And those who are innocent aren't deprived of their innocent lives. Meanwhile, the tax payer saves a pretty penny. Unfortunatly you, I guess in this case being Billy-Boy, lose in everyway. So sorry,********.

[This message was edited by YNLissa on May 24, 2003 at 06:08 AM.]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
-Ghandi

Salaam

Yah. Its rather hypocritical. And it violates its own principle. Its supposed to be equal retribution, or lex talonious, but its not equal retribution. A rapist can get the same penalty as a serial killer. But everyone shows resistance to torturing them, or even less humane methods of execution. They may have killed someone, but they may redeem themselves in prison. And remember, once upon a time, they were people too.

Salaam

The government is telling people that if you kill someone, you're gonna die too.

Actually, States without the Death Penalty have lower homicide rates then states with the Death Penalty. Nice piece though, just try seperating it into paragraphs.

Salaam

well first of its not rite to kill another human being... it is going to the same level as the murder... frankly its barbaric the idea of an eye for an eye and a tooth 4 a tooth was outlawed and ruled to be unjust or so i thought. Alot of criminals don't fear death and the idea that them being executed is the worst possible punishment is wrong it gives them an easy way out. think about this if u have to spend life in prison working at hard tasks and not geting paid and knowing the money was going to the family of the person u hated so much u wanted to kill and having to live with knowing you killed one or many people and just reflecting on that that would be a harsher punishment. Also the whole scared straight thing is not proven effective States w/o the death penalty have the same amount of homides as staes w/ the death penalty. some good alternatives r life in prison w/o parol and them working and the money going to a victums family fund. This way the victims families are being helped out and they can feel that the criminal has been properly punished. The long trials and lethal injections are more than 3 times the cost of life in prison.also innocent people are executed and even though it is only maybe one person a year if that person was ur loved one think about how u would feel? once some1 is killed there is no going back. and on the moral standpoint is not rite for people to play God by taking someone's life away and i personally dont feel good knowing the government is killing people in my name and all ur names(if u r a US citizen)... so i urge every1 to do what they can to stop the death penalty.