I don't see how, Meagan.

This topic seems to be getting repetitive so let me stir it up...

Even if we were able to justify the DP socially, are we able to justify it ETHICALLY?

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
TS the man who almost raped you, who victimized you do you want him in the streets making more victims or in a nice safe cell for life with free food and pretty easy existence that you pay for with your taxes?

"Pretty easy existence"? A strange assumption for prison - one would ask why, if that is your concept of jail, you are not currently there yourself?

The economics of this situation make the answer obvious - in order to provide even the current (inadequate) level of protection against the execution of an innocent person, the law requires a series of appeals that cost far more than the lifetime imprisonment of the suspect. And that's without accounting for the work potential of the inmates in question - there is absolutely no reason that a prisoner cannot be an economic asset to the state, even while being provided with the nessecities of humane treatment.

Above and beyond all that, of course, is the persuasive moral reasoning against capital punishment - the fact that no legal system can be perfect, and that the execution of an innocent man makes every citizen a murderer. A wrongfully-convicted man in prison may be released and compensated - but there is no return from the grave.

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do you want this man to one day get out and make more victims? or do you prefer that scumbag be six feet under where he belongs?

Your rhetorical questions would be more persuasive, ampmaster, if they didn't make so many unsupported assumptions. There's no reason to assume the man in question would ever be released - or, for that matter, that genuine rehabilitation is the impossibility you write it off as.

As long as the sentence is sufficiently supported by the evidence, I definitely support the death penalty. For some crimes, the only way to carry out justice is through death.

TS the man who almost raped you, who victimized you do you want him in the streets making more victims or in a nice safe cell for life with free food and pretty easy existence that you pay for with your taxes? do you want this man to one day get out and make more victims? or do you prefer that scumbag be six feet under where he belongs?

I;m sure that victims of men such as the scum who tried to rape you are happy when they die but it's really not for their vengeance it's for the defense of those who would become his victims if allowed to walk free one day.

On a religious grounds and the grounds of the notion of precedence, the death penalty can be justified.

Not to mention moral and social...

I am a victim of sexual abuse, I was almost raped, I am by no means going to stand here and defend him and I will not lie... I kind of want him to die. But that's not healthy, i am working on acceptance and forgiveness.

We need to make a more forgiving society. Yes, the people who are like that cause a lot of pain, but it's not worth killing them over.

so rapeists and murderes should get off scot-free then right? I don't want those things any place that they may one day get out and harm society again it's not revenge it's defending their future victims

no, it's revenge, plain and simple. And it's wrong.

It's not revenge it's justice (in an old testament sorta way)

umm well the thing is, I don't believe in revenge and I really do not at all support the death penalty which I view as nothing more then a form of revenge. If there is a good way to deal with prisoners and to allow them to change that's what I think would be ideal.

true but still expensive a gallows and rope are a one time expense (rope is reusable you see) and rifle ammo is very cheap

haha... idk amp... It was just a suggestion. jeez..

anywho... I just think it's not good to spend money on them. Ok, here's what we should do, we should set up self sufficient criminal camps. Like have a huge fence and make them grow their own crops and such if they want to survive. That would be so much less expensive. They could even have like a gov't and such... that way when they get out they'd have done something productive!!!

OMG!!! that's brilliant

yeah exile is good shove our scum off on someone else

and letter if you violate the rights of another, you lose your own technically criminals aren't citizens just scum to be delt with in the most efficant manner possible

the death penalty is simply a form of revenge and I think revenge is wrong in all ways. I will say tho that I don't think life imprisonment is necessarily useful either. mby exile would be the best or some way so that it doesn't cost tons of money on people who are often very bad. On the other hand, many of them were young and aren't bad at all.

I oppose the death penalty for political and religious reasons.

I do not think that any government should have enough power to take away a citizen's life.

I believe God is the only one with the right and the wisdom to mete out justice.

There are those that should not walk amongst men!

how is the death penalty not morally justifiable?

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Originally posted by Brehon:
Actually, the death penalty is barbarity, if one takes barbarity at its heighest level of meaning, which is coarse or crude. This was where the word descended from when the Greeks thought that all non-Helles spoke babababababababa. And as the death penalty is the mark of an older civilisations, like the aztecs, it is strongly connected to this word.

Also questionably, since you mean barbarity in the sense of savage or stone age, or whatever, then yes I would again say that the death penalty is barbaric. This is because it is not morally justifiable, and it is not a modern idea. It is one that was dreamed up in the stone age, and so in this sense is barbaric.

Again, it is injust to kill people. There are many factors that one may not take into account. Up to 80% of all crimes that are committed, the victim knows the criminal. And also, statistics show that these people will not reoffend because they have no reason to. Therefore, if they commit murder, how is it just to kill them?

Completely agree with you

Actually, the death penalty is barbarity, if one takes barbarity at its heighest level of meaning, which is coarse or crude. This was where the word descended from when the Greeks thought that all non-Helles spoke babababababababa. And as the death penalty is the mark of an older civilisations, like the aztecs, it is strongly connected to this word.

Also questionably, since you mean barbarity in the sense of savage or stone age, or whatever, then yes I would again say that the death penalty is barbaric. This is because it is not morally justifiable, and it is not a modern idea. It is one that was dreamed up in the stone age, and so in this sense is barbaric.

Again, it is injust to kill people. There are many factors that one may not take into account. Up to 80% of all crimes that are committed, the victim knows the criminal. And also, statistics show that these people will not reoffend because they have no reason to. Therefore, if they commit murder, how is it just to kill them?