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Picture of Kal2390
Registered: December 04, 2005
Posts: 50
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the bible makes many references to stoning to death criminals and the like. and this was based on heresay. with our however now vigrous court system it's even more fair than it was then. i do not believe this should be the reason to keep the death penalty though. religion belongs nowhere in a successful government.

i do support the death penalty. there are some transgressions we committ as humans, and it is our moral right to fit punishments to those who committ those acts.


"This is the very ecstasy of love, whose violent property does forbode itself and leads the will to desperate undertakings, as oft as any other passion under heaven that does afflict our natures." Hamlet, 2.1
Picture of Joel135
Registered: December 04, 2005
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i personally have mixed feelings on the whole detah penalty issue.. on one hand i think that if they go thru with killing someone then they have NO right to live at all.. but then on the other hand the bible says that we should love everyone and to forgive and forget so really i dont know what the answer should be....what do u think
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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If we give people the death penalty because they commited a crime or even killed someone we are no better then them.


So if we lock them up for thier whole life are we no better than a kidnapper who keeps his victim isolated thier whole lives?

See, the problem with your position is that you totally disregard society's implied right to punish criminals. Death is a totally acceptable punishment, because in nature there is no right to life, and no right not to be killed by someone or something. Those rights are a product of society. And when someone chooses to kill or commit some other capital crime, they violate society's pact and forfiet the rights provided.

A murderer violates the rights of his victim. Executing a murder violates no rights, because the murderer has forfieted his own protections when he committed the crime.


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Picture of Peacemaker
Registered: March 24, 2002
Posts: 47
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I don't believe and death penalty. If somebody did something so wrong. Just let them get life with no chance of parole. If we give people the death penalty because they commited a crime or even killed someone we are no better then them.


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Registered: March 10, 2005
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Originally posted by gladiator123:
I agree with the death penalty whole heartedly, how much is it to house a criminal? Answer: ALOT. Just get it over with. If somebody kills somebody 1st degree: Death. No appeals, and no stupid injection method, an injection is thousands of dollars. Just put a bullet in their head. 10 cents.



i like your style galdiator. Big Grin


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Registered: December 01, 2005
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I agree with the death penalty whole heartedly, how much is it to house a criminal? Answer: ALOT. Just get it over with. If somebody kills somebody 1st degree: Death. No appeals, and no stupid injection method, an injection is thousands of dollars. Just put a bullet in their head. 10 cents.


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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Blackbeard had one eye I belive there was even a female pirate captain or two with one eye.


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Picture of Euterpe
Registered: September 29, 2004
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Lol, you're right. But there aren't really any cool pirates.

Maybe Hook.


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Registered: February 22, 2004
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Jack Sparrow


I didn't think he had an eye patch euterpe


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Picture of YoungWorld
Registered: December 10, 2003
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I swear to God if someone gives that old "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" shit, I'm going to open a can of whoop-ass.

That doesn't even make sense. I'd still have one good eye, I'd just look like Jack Sparrow. And eye for an eye makes the whole world pirates.

I find it ironic that the people who say life in prison is WORSE than death, are also the people who say torture is inhumane. If these people are so wrought with guilt, making them live with this all-consuming, depressing God-awful guilt, is that not torture?

Can't have your cake and eat it, too.



I agree


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Registered: September 29, 2004
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I swear to God if someone gives that old "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" shit, I'm going to open a can of whoop-ass.

That doesn't even make sense. I'd still have one good eye, I'd just look like Jack Sparrow. And eye for an eye makes the whole world pirates.

I find it ironic that the people who say life in prison is WORSE than death, are also the people who say torture is inhumane. If these people are so wrought with guilt, making them live with this all-consuming, depressing God-awful guilt, is that not torture?

Can't have your cake and eat it, too.


A lo hecho, pecho.
Picture of ilovebush
Registered: March 10, 2005
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amen amp.


but sometimes, life in prison is worse than death - so maybe its good to make a criminal's life hell for awhile, and then make them feel better by killing them...

tell me I'm inhumane. just think about if it was your mother's murderer that was facing this kind of treatment - wouldnt you be happy and think it is justified? maybe I'm just a bad person, but I think criminals deserve the dealth penalty - eye for an eye baby.


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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They need to speed the process up a bit I think most guys on death row are more likely to die of old age than lethal injection and if they deserve it get a move on and kill the SOB and get it done.


Question: Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injection?


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: September 29, 2004
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Originally posted by riskbreaker86:
what about those who are proven innocent once executed? someone in jail for life, can be proven innocent 40 years later and still have the chance for life.

Since the development and advancement of forensics and DNA testing, that happens VERY rarely. In cases from the 60's and so on, yes.

But honestly? Those guys are gonna rot and die there before they get their turn at the chair, or otherwise.

Now? You can be pretty damn certain those people on death row deserve it.


A lo hecho, pecho.
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Registered: December 14, 2004
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Risk, I agree with you to an extent. However, I think that special cases should be made for war criminals like Sadaam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, ect. If the Allies had caught Hitler alive, I would have supported his execution, just as I supported the hanging of the Nazi leaders.

I agree completely that the death penalty is barbaric, but sometimes I think that certain people deserve to die in such a way. I'm not proud that I feel this way, but I just do.


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Registered: October 19, 2005
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Then what is civilized? letting them free when their put on parole so they can kill another person and get sent to jail again?


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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inmates spend years on death row, it costs thousands to execute them...im happy to pay tax to my government so they can house prisioners, i would feel sick if my tax money was going towards the execution of humans.

nobody has the right to take life, not the criminal, nor the state, to execute a prisioner is to lower yourself to a level of eye for an eye barbarism.


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Picture of phantom119
Registered: October 19, 2005
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the death penalty has no place in a modern society, it is shameful the US has executed its 1000th person since the re-introduction of capital punishment


well, would you rather have them in jail wasting more and more taxpayer money?


"The price of Freedom is paid in lives" - Adm. Geoffrey Tolwyn
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Registered: April 24, 2005
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what about those who are proven innocent once executed? someone in jail for life, can be proven innocent 40 years later and still have the chance for life.

if the death penalty was ever introduced back into britain i would be thouroughly ashamed, after all the progress of the last 50 years to bring it back would be like returnong to the caves.


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Picture of Euterpe
Registered: September 29, 2004
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It's not a deterrent because it's not applicable in every state. If the entire country would just keep it as a punishment, it would be.

To say you have a death penalty, and not really enforce it, undermines the law itself. Perhaps if we had immediate execution, people wouldn't be too quick to run on a serial killing spree.

I support the death penalty because sometimes, people are serious wastes of life. If a guy goes and rapes and kills 10 children? I don't care if Jesus comes into his cell at night and makes love to him -- he's a waste.


A lo hecho, pecho.
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