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People choose to be gay, just like they choose to get abortions, everything is a choice, though they aren't all right ones

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You don't know that anyone chooses who they love. You're really in no position to judge, are you? Leave that up to your "benevolent" god.

And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 3:24

Christianity is not anything goes. We must keep the commandments God gives us in the Bible, if we call our selves christians and yet continually sin, then we are not following Christ, which is the very definition of a christian.

And another thing, God is not the grand puppetmaster. He gives everyone a choice, he wants everyone to choose right and follow Him, He know's that's not going to happen, but it doesn't matter just as long as some of his creation is saved.

People choose to be gay, just like they choose to get abortions, everything is a choice, though they aren't all right ones.

Welcome to the community,
Silverstreak

silver, i do think you are right about god controlling the population. if there is someone in charge i'm sure that there are simpler ways to control the population. I'm sure Marx would say, "How about a war?"

i think that people should be allowed to love who they want to. it's not your place to decide who they can love. and since you beleive god has so much control over the world, i'm sure you'd agree that if he wanted to he could keep us from loving the same sex, i'm sure that if He is doing this that there is a lesson to be learned... i hope you figure it out someday

you say that if one thinks god is a goddess then they are wiccan. first, so what if they were. second, god is everything, god is every sex and god is sexless, so god is not a he any more than he is a she.

and this anything goes attitude that you seem to disaprove of is actually very christian. the bible preaches acceptance. i wouldn't want to beleive in a god who wouldn't let people who called him by a different name out of heaven. it's like if you had a baby who couldn't pronounce your name, or who called you by a nickname to hell. i'm sure god is much too smart to do such a foolish thing which brings me to my final point

WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? Christians believe that it is god's place to judge what is right and acceptable. don't tell me that so and so cant go to heaven, or worships the devil or whatever, you aren't the one operating the gate.

Pizzaz this would almost be funny if you didn't actually believe that.

God is already in control of the population. He is the one who decides if the union between man and woman becomes a baby. After all he knit us all together in our mother's womb. This is also why I don't and will NEVER agree with abortion.

And as far as sodomy goes it is clear from the Bible that this is a bad thing, but a lot of people don't believe the Bible anymore and it's understandable that this happens. Although that doesn't change the fact, for christians anyway, that the Bible is God's will and testament to us, many times it has been called God's love letter to us. As Christians it's imperative that we believe God's word.

Just thought I would point some things out,

Silverstreak

I'm guessing this because all these wiccan people believe in a 'goddess' who is very much relativist thinking whatever you want to do is fine.

Well....if you've read any of my other posts you can guess that I disagree.

first of all, If all these things you say were okay then how come people are in such opposition to them?

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Mathew 13:30

There are two kinds of people in this world wheat and tares(a type of weed that while young is indistinguishable from the wheat, but when full grown is clearly seen).

The wheat(Christians) will go to the barn and the tares(wiccans, bhuddist, muslims, hindus, homosexuals, fornicators, etc...) will be burned with the chaff.

This goddess that you speak of is nothing but the devil in disguise. She tells you, "do whatever you want, I don't care". Your right about that the devil(or 'goddess') doesn't care he knows he is defeated and he is going to take as many people down with him as he can get.

Why I think this is how God is. that was your question, right?

I believe the Bible is most of the reason, you could also think about it in a different way as well.

Why would the one who created us not care about us and what we do. This 'goddess' you speak of is very strange in her thinking.

Why would HE hold us to high standards? Well, think about it this way. Our parents ,in a way, created us and they hold us to their standards. So why not God, the ultimate creator of the universe have standards on our own lives. I think if many of you people were to apply them you would find them for the best.

Why would HE send us to Hell? Because we deserve it for what we did. We sinned. Hell in it's beginnings was not made for us, but for the devil.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:8

When we sin we are 'of the devil' and those who are of the devil are damned to Hell. Very nasty place to learn more
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Of course, God being the gracious merciful God that HE is provided a way out and HE had this plan from the beginning.

He sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins. His blood is what redeems us and saves us from this awful fate that is hell. He rose from the dead the third day and defeated death!

The true God would never leave us out in the cold and tell us to do whatever. He provided a way out and you must recieve it to attain salvation!

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mathew 12:32

We must recieve Christ and believe the glorious Gospel of Christ in order to be saved.

Don't fall for the lies of Satan or as some like to call him the 'goddess'.

My thoughts and prayers are lifted up to heaven for the salvation of those that don't know Christ, may his truth be revealed.

In Jesus name, AMEN

Silverstreak

If i were to try to speak calmly about some of the stuff that joey has said in this post I would end up spontaniously combusting. So I will simply say this:

I'd rather burn in hell with people who were kind and accepting and tolerant than be stuck in a heaven with people who have condemmed some of my loved ones (homosexuals). And if saying that truly does cause me to go to hell, then so be it.

THANK YOU SO MUCH TEDDY for saying everything I wanted to say! I agree with you competely!! THANK YOU!

adios all,

Blessed Be,

~Becca

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Here's a thought: what if god invented gay people to try to even out the population?

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What if god had forgotten to document in the bible that homosexuality in the 21st century is alright considering the different time periods? Err, wait.. he did forget

very true, gemini

STD's and AIDS are diseases for EVERYONE. Once again, joey made a stereo-typical statement.

Gemini, you're also right about the whol over population thing.

Here's a thought: what if god invented gay people to try to even out the population?

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Anyway, let the gays have at each other. Just don't come crying when you people turn up with an STD, AIDS, or a sore butt-hole.

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Heterosexuals get just as many, or more, STDs as homosexuals.

And there is no need to be in a relationship just to reproduce and populate an area. We're facing overpopulation right now, so it's best if peoples' main goals are not to have children. I'm just thankful that I don't live in China, heh.

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Maybe homosexuality is wrong, but acceptance and love isn't

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Acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle goes against Biblical doctrine, and I will not support a homosexual - ever.

I can be nice to them, and not give a dang about what he/she does in their bedroom, but you can kiss my @$$ if you think I'm going to just bend over backwards for some gay.

You're out of your mind.

Homosexuals, like drunks, idol worshippers, liars, thieves...are just heathens.

And the Bible is pretty clear on who will go to Heaven, and who will not.

Homosexuals - and you NEED to stop preaching this garbage - will not go to Heaven if they keep practicing that immoral behavoir.



And Teddy, you did not shoot down my opinions; through the life experiences I have had, through high school and from a previous newspaper reporting job, I have learned certain things, bolstered my principles, and have stuck with it; consistency is what many call it.

You're right to want to know more about me, and about my opinions; I have no problem with that whatsoever.

But I stand up for what I believe in; I don't care if I'm in a room full of 3,000 angry lesbians, I'll still say that I do not agree with that lifestyle.

To me, I think what I say and what I "preach" works a lot better judging by the constant opposition I receive.

Anyway, let the gays have at each other. Just don't come crying when you people turn up with an STD, AIDS, or a sore butt-hole.

hey, i was just reading through these conversations with some intrest! i had a lot of the same questions about homosexuality being "wrong" by God, and this is the way it was explained to me by one of my religious mentors. Yes, homosexuality is wrong, according to the Bible, but so are things like gluttony and drinking. If a person commits those "crimes" it doesn't mean that they are going to hell or are unloved by God, it just means that they are going against God's wishes, but he will still love and accept you anyway. People that bash homosexuals for so called religious reasons are being hypocrites because God does not want you to be unkind to another, no matter what. I personally think that many people don't like to accept those who are different, so they use religion as an excuse to be against them, but thats not the way of it at all. Maybe homosexuality is wrong, but acceptance and love isn't.

I know he answered that question, that's why I didn't ask him again.

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Guys and gals, We dont need to try and convince each other to believe certain ways. Joeys oppinion is as valid as everyone elses and it is a shame he gets assaulted every time he is disagreed with.

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Yea, your right. Joey's opinions on everything and everyone is valid and it counts as much as it does for everyone else.

I'm not trying to convince him to think anything. I'm just asking a lot of questions because I want to understand his opinion better. Also I state my opinion that's why I said TO ME a lot, it's my opinion ONLY and if people choice to disagree with me then fine, I never said I was right and you were wrong and if people choice to agree with me then fine with that too but I still didn't say I was right.

Have I jumped on you Joey? Honestly, have I shot down your opinions because I really did not mean to do that. You know I respect your views and ideas. So tell me please so I could give you a BIG SORRY.

Bye N Have a nice day

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Well, I base my morals and values off of Biblical doctrine and law, soooo...that should answer the first question.

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He answered that.



Guys and gals, We dont need to try and convince each other to believe certain ways. Joeys oppinion is as valid as everyone elses and it is a shame he gets assaulted every time he is disagreed with.

Could you explain to me again why it's unnatural?

Please

To Me: I like calling you Energizer Bunny because you do keep going on and on and on, you keep going and going and going and you never give up. Well, in this case, you never accept or even try to understand. You make a lot of people feel bad.

But that's only what I think.

Bye N Have a nice day

Well, I base my morals and values off of Biblical doctrine and law, soooo...that should answer the first question.

Unnatural because homosexuality goes against nature; seriously, if you wanted to populate an island, and you only had a gay couple to start out with, you wouldn't populate it.

Homosexuality just goes against nature's laws; scientists say this all the time.

I didn't get in depth with my answers, but what more do you want to know?


And no, gays shouldn't be immune from jokes and teasing; they are fair game just like you, me, or the Energizer Bunny.

EnergizeBunny,


I don't know what happen, maybe you forgot to answer or maybe you didn't read that part, anything could have happened. However, you didn't answer my other question that I was asking you and that is okay but I really would like to here your answer and so point being could you answer it now, PLEASE.

So here goes my question again: Please Joey answer.

Why is being gay or being a lesbian morally wrong and completely unnatural?

Please don't say something that involves the Bible, give me some other reasons.

I ask Pie almost this same question but it was worded differently. Here is the question:

Are there other reasons why homosexually is wrong, other than what is said in the bible?

Well, that's it Bye N Have a nice day

Hope you answer!!!!!!!!

As usual, I agree with Teddy and disagree with Joey.

EnergizeBunny,

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If you die without accepting Christ as your personal savior, and die not believing He came to earth to suffer for all of our sins, and you don't take Him as your only God, then I believe you will suffer painful, tormenting and eternal burning; wailing, and the ghnashing of teeth is how the King James Version describes it.

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Well, that doesn't seem considerably pleasant but if God wants to punish me then so be it, I gladly deserve it. But, yea I would be a little scared maybe a lot.

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And the gay-talk was just me joking around; there are many gays who don't "act" gay. Or gays who aren't "flamers" I should say.

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Please, I'm asking you nicely don't make fun of gay people. I don't think they are your joke to joke about. They are human beings too and they deserve as much respect as you deserve. Please

Thanks Kharybdis for telling me what they were.

Bye N Have a nice day

Teddy: Daisy Dukes are short shorts, basically.

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I'm not even in a religion Joey so what do you think will happen to me?

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If you die without accepting Christ as your personal savior, and die not believing He came to earth to suffer for all of our sins, and you don't take Him as your only God, then I believe you will suffer painful, tormenting and eternal burning; wailing, and the ghnashing of teeth is how the King James Version describes it.


And the gay-talk was just me joking around; there are many gays who don't "act" gay. Or gays who aren't "flamers" I should say.