Here is the solution. DON'T smoke while you are pregnant. Because when someone smokes while they are pregnant, it is their fault for harming the baby, not the tobacco industries. Leave them alone.

Well no matter how much you demand the respect, I'm not giving it.
I'm not trying to save the world. If people want to kill themselves by smoking, it's their decision. It's when it kills others that I get mad!!! What's your solution for the babies that will be born with defects and additcted to tobacco?

All I have heard is abunch of sob stories on why tobacco is so horrible. I have been provided with no proof as to why the government should not lay off the tobacco industries.

As for the link I was provided with (I will also ask that people stop putting biased sites that don't credit their information.). There was no mention to what the cause of death was. Tobacco is not a valid cause of death. Did these people die from lung cancer. Did these people die from emphazima? Did these people die from throat cancer? No answers are made. That site simply leaves the reader thinking that 400,000 people die for chocking on a lit cigarette. This site most be discredited because there is no answeres as to how they came up with there numbers (400,000 is a pretty radical number of people.).

You say, atomicsneeze, the tobacco industries denies everything. They don't deny a thing. They even admit that tobacco can be harmful to some peoples health. They even fund organizations like The Trueth. They even admit that they put addictives in their product. What honest Abes. What mnore do you want? Do you want them to falsly admit, without lack of proof and medical proof, that their produt kills people? That is absurd!

Now lets say the government does know that tobacco kills people, they don't admit to it. So who's fault is that? Why should we expect the tobacco industry to admit something that the government won't even admit. If the government is covering up that tobacco kills then they are the enemy, not the tobacco industry.

People chose to use tobacco. The tobacco industry does not force anyone to smoke. People need to stop viewing the tobacco industry as the bad guys. I deman repsect for the undustry that lifted the south to respect. I demand respect for the industry that gives thousands of people a job. I demand repsect for the tobacco industry. Where would be without them?

Yes, people definitely need to accept the consequences that come with smoking if they choose to smoke. But it's out of control when others suffer the consequences as well, when they don't smoke. Pregnant mothers should not be allowed to smoke. That should not be an option. They are harming the lives of others, passing on the consequences they chose to accept to their babies. What about people that die of second- hand smoke? There was an anti-smoking commercial a couple of months ago. It was a smoker whose wife died from second-hand smoke. She herself did not smoke. I do not think that the industry should be closed because of the money, and the workers, etc. But I think that all the ads and awareness campaigns are good. It needs to get in the faces of consumers so they are totally and completely aware of the poisons put into cigarettes and what can happen as a result. But, yes, the ads should most definitely continue. They should never stop.

I will concede to you that tobbaco is harmful, but what is the solution?? I have not heard a solution from you people yet. What should we do about it. Should we continue to limit their advertising? No. Should we shut them down? No. There is nothing we can do. At some point people have to take respnsibility for their actions. This is the time that choices come with their consequences.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

Hey AtomicSneeze, that is a great site. I have an aopted brother and sister, whose biological mother smoked during her pregnancy. She smoked 2 packs a day (sometimes more) while she was pregnant!!! My bro and sis were born 8 weeks premature and were addicted to tobacco as a result. We had many days and nights of long, horrible crying as their tiny bodies craved the tobacco and eventually worked it out of their system. Seriously, we could tell that it wasn't just normal baby crying. Also, from the tobacco and other drugs taken by the mother, they had respiratory problems and were hooked up to heart and breathing monitors for several months after they were born. Smoking messes up a lot of things.
Aimee
P.S. Luckily, they are both doing great now!

Marine16, did you even READ my post? Did you LOOK at the site? It was a GOVERNMENT CREATED site, okay? AND THEY STATE:
"Tobacco use remains the leading preventable cause of death in the United States, causing more than 400,000 deaths each year"

That includes cigarettes, cigars, snuff tobacco and all that. They say "TOBACCO use" !!!!

Look, of course the government hasn't shut down any cigarette companies. The largest companies in the U.S. (including the tobacco companies) are totally and completely linked with the government and their propagana.
There is no way the government would be stupid enough to shut down an industry that makes so much money each year. It would seriously mess up our economy.

I'm not asking for anyone to sue the tobacco companies or to shut them down, I'm asking them to take responsibilty for the fact that their product kills!

That's it! They deny it! And they are lying!

Once again, I must tell you Marine16, to turn your back on the truth, and by supporting the tobacco industry, you are supporting the death of many people each year.

Read this carefully, and then respond. Maybe come up with some valid reasons to argue against me, too.

~*Linnea*~

Here is the only true fact about tobacco and my point. The Government can't prove that tobacco kils people. If they could prove tobacoo killed people, they would close it down (Would they let them sell a tyneol capsule that slowly killed you? No.). It is impossible to argue that fact. What good are costuemrs to the tobacco company if they are dead.

There is no doubt that tobacco is harmful. The tobacco industry even said it may be possibley. How honest is that? They are willing to admit something that will make costs them billions of dollars. They are even willing to PAY money to organizations like The Trueth and pay money for quitting programs. But there is no PROOF that tobacco causes these illness. There is only proof that there is CORRELATION between tobacco and the dieses.

Next time somone puts a post on rember this. The links I have been provided with are links to groups whose sole goal is to close down tobacco CIGARETTE companis (nothing regarding chew, snuff, tobacco or cigars). These sites are willing to do anything they can to close down cigarette companies, including grabbing for straws. Their 'facts' are based on correlations and correlations can be noted, but they can not be taken as seriosuly as proof.

Marine16, what do you need more to prove than tobacco kills that the number of deaths that occur each year from people who smoke?

Haven't people from a tobacco prevention program ever come into your classroom and showed you the lung of a smoker and the lung of a non-smoker? It's disgusting! The smoking lung is covered in tar and blackness, which clogs the porous lungs and prevents proper breathing.

Go to this site: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/issue.htm
This site contains a few short sentences -- simple facts that are TRUE. Notice the author of the website! Look at the URL! It's .gov Yes, it was written by the government!

I don't understand your point. You have no proof that tobacco is HEALTHY, or that is not ADDICTIVE, or that it doesn't KILL.

It kills. It killed my grandmother, and many more before her! In addition, mothers who smoke during pregnancy have premature or developmentally challenged babies. Even more, people who smoke around others are poisoning them TOO, with second hand smoke. Cigarette smoke contains arsenic!

Marine16, you have made a choice. To turn your back on the truth, and by supporting the tobacco industry, you are supporting the death of hundreds of thousands each year.

Think... think real hard. And then, choose to speak again.

~*Linnea*~

The correlation, Elmerud, is not proof. If ir was proof the warning would CIGARETTES CAUSE CANCER, not CIGARETTES MAY CAUSE CANCER. It is simply an assumption the government health depertamnet is making that cigarretes kill people, they have no proof.

As for the tobacco industries, the Tobacco industry does not lie. The tobacco industry openly admits that they add addictives and there is a possiblity they the cause health problems. What Honest Abes. Sure, they kept this from us in the past but this broke no laws so they did not do anything wrong.

Bushsupporter- you seem to agree with Marine16 on everything no matter what the claim.

Marine16, I am a little confused. I guess I see what you're saying, but what is your definition of "proof" for this? Isn't the corralation between cigarettes and diseases proof? How is it not?

If cigarettes have the potential to cause disease, which has the potential to kill, isn't it deadly? It is in my book.

I agree that cigarettes "MAY be dangerous for your health", but that isn't the question, is it? The question is whether the government should shut them down or not. And they shouldn't. Marine made a good point that a lot of jobs would be lost if they did that and we wouldn't want that now would we? They are dangerous and that is why I don't smoke, however I support the companies' right to make them, advertise them, and sell them. What would happen if they wanted to sponsor a Super Bowl? The country would be up in arms about it. But Miller Lite can sponsor one and no one cares. Is alcohol more deadly and dangerous than cigarettes? You know it is. It is also addictive just like cigarettes. But they are allowed to advertise as much as they want. No one really cares about underage drinking even though it is more of a problem than smoking. The government doesn't charge a 5 dollar tax on alcohol. And no one sues the alcohol industry when their mother is killed in a drunk driving accident. This is wrong. It is another instance of a double standard in society and it should not exist.

As for suing the tobaco companies I am against this to. I would throw every case I got out if there was a matter of choice involved. It is a choice to smoke and if you don't want to die then don't do it. It is as simple as that.

"Freedoom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

Please find any hard proof that tobacco kills people (Proof, not correlations between tobacco and diesease. You can look, but I can gaurntee you there is no proof. Besides, all the tobacco industry cares about ismoney. If your dead, you can't buy their tobacco). People simply make up their own 'facts' and expect the world to recognize them when all they really have is assumptions.

Tobacco companies give the government a lot of money so that the government won't shut them down. That's why they are still in business. They pay off the government. There is proof that cigarettes kill people, whether you choose to accept the facts is up to you.

Aimee I found your links quite helpful. I must also raise the undisputed fact that their statstics are based on the their knowledge that people died from a dieases that they ASSUMED came from tobacco (Rember, there has been no concreate proof that tobacco does kill people. If there was, the government would close them down.). And, Aimee, we need hard proof before we close an idustry down. We can't just close an industry on a hunch, we need proof (Think of all the thousands of people who would lose a job and the black spot on our economy just becauses of a hunch.).

You want statistics? Here are two websites that I find highly helpful, although judging by your response to "The Truth" I doubt you will take them seriously.
www.fightwithfact.com
www.thetruth.com
Check them out,everybody, they're great!

Also, if we know that tobacco can cause certain diseases and kill people, isn't that enough proof? Do we need to wait until it kills everybody who smokes?

Aimee

Do you smoke Marine16?

Here's proof...smoking tobacco causes emphaseyma(sp?) that disease causes people to die..therefore tobacco does kill!!

The government has closed down numerous companies that they think kill people. They have not closed down the tobacco industry. Atomicsneeze, I find those statsitcis hard to believe, I would like proof.

I would also like to point out that the surgeon general warning simply say MAY cause certain diesease. This means that nothing factually can be proven. (I myself, Atomicsneeze, have and opinion that tobacco cause certain dieses and I am sorry your grandmother passed on because of one of those dieses) Until the government has solid proof, that tobacco can kill people, they need to lay off the tobacco industry.

I totally respect your opinion on the tobacco industry, Marine16. However, I am adamantly against the tobacco industry.

They have so much influence on everyone! Their propaganda is everywhere, trying to make smoking look sexy and appealing. But I know the truth. It is none of these things! In reality tobacco is an incredibly addictive substance that kills.

I just watched my grandmother slowly waste away and finally die last month of a smoking related illness (emphyzema). She tried SO hard to quit, but it was very difficult. In the end, it claimed her life. Heroin users that also smoke say that it is harder to quit smoking cigarettes than heroin.

My grandma's death only reaffirmed my beliefs about the tobacco companies. Did you hear that Phillip Morris actually changed it's name in an attempt to eliminate the negative association of their name? Even if you don't smoke you are giving them money. They own Kraft, Nabisco, Altoids, and tons of other companies and products. Every time you bite into an Oreo or eat a bowl of Kraft "Mac n Cheese" you are giving them money. Money to advertise, money to kill.

I feel no sympathy for tobacco companies whatsoever. Cigarette smoking kills more people each year than AIDS, car accidents, homicides, suicides, drug overdoses and fires combined. It is awful, and unbelievable, but it's true.

Later,

~*Linnea*~

Elmerfuud, if tobacco is that deadly why doesn' the government close it down? And it is time we showed the tobacco industry a little more respect. Think of how much money the government gets from the tobacco industry (If the tobacco industry wasn't around we would be that much poorer.)? They deserve respect!