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Gemini, you did exactly what I thought you'd do; instead of giving me the evidence, you gave me a summary

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Uhm, Joey? That was the entire point. But if you want evidence, knock yourself out.

Genesis: 21:3 And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
21:4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him.
21:5 And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him.
21:6 And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me.
21:7 And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age.
21:8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.
21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

This being said, the scripture tells us that the two children are brothers. Not really that hard of a concept to understand, is it, Joey?

You just seem to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you like best. I really don't care. It's all myth to me.

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It's just so easy to follow what others say, instead of looking for yourself isn't it?

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And it's easy to assume that I obtain all of my information from others, when in fact, I look for it myself. If I relied solely upon what most of the people I know believe, I'd be Christian. But, with the circumstances as they are, I'm an Atheist. I suppose that makes me evil, too?

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Which is where you probably got the stuff about the Bible being full of "fairy tales."

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Hmm.. nah, I believe that God spent one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, was intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. This firmament, if it existed, would have been quite an obstacle to our space program.. And this is so believable: "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." Really? Then why are only a tiny fraction of stars visible from earth? Under the best conditions, no more than five thousand stars are visible from earth with the unaided eye, yet there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion or so galaxies. Yet this verse says that God put the stars in the firmament "to give light" to the earth. (Look in Genesis 1:17) If you need the EXACT verses, let me know, and I'd be more than willing to provide them for you.

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So who's close-minded now?

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Obviously still you...

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And for someone who doesn't believe in my God, you sure do know how to use His name in vain, don't you?

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Psst.. Joey, he's not real. It's like me being sorry for offending Santa.

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As for the Israel/Palestine conflict, there will be a time when all the nations and leaders plot to destroy Israel - why? Because Satan KNOWS he's defeated and he KNOWS he's got "one last shot" at trying to become God - but he's not going to make it.

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So it must be Satan who makes people murder others. And it must be Satan who urges children to cheat on tests. And it must be Satan who causes war.. Hmm.. Wake up. It's not Satan, it's human conscience. People use Satan as a scapegoat for their crimes/sins.

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However, you can't depend on others' views or statements to get the full picture

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YOU would be included in the "others" category. I'm not the only biased one. And yes, I can be biased. But at least I can admit that.

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You're going to have to LEARN and have an open mind. Then the Truth shall set you free.

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I hope reality sets you free, Joey. If it doesn't.. well, then I can just blame that on Satan

SuperStarAngel: I'm sorry that "your people" have been persecuted. And no, I have not lived your life, but you haven't lived the life of a Palestinian your age that goes through the exact same torment day by day. No one side is innocent, no matter how hard you try to believe that. And Israel will always be Palestine/Israel. You have Palestinians and Israelis. The land belongs to both of them. I do not wish to fight with you, but that's my opinion. I don't believe you're stupid, but I'd appreciate it if you stopped your childish name calling. It demeans the value of your entire post.

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It must be pretty irritating when people living in American suburbia try to tell you what's going on when you see it firsthand. Those people (who shall remain nameless) should practice a little empathy in their lives--it would make them better human beings.

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If you're referring to me, and I'm positive that you are seeing how it has become a personal attack against me, I'd like to point out that I have never claimed to experience the problem firsthand. I express my opinion (who would have thought?) and I apologize if I seem apathetic or uncaring, but I am not. I have Palestinian friends who have lost families, and whose families have lost their land, homes, and jobs because the Israelis have persecuted them. I know the same applies to Israelis, and I'm not justifying either side's actions. But if some people (who will remain nameless, heh) had more knowledge over the situation and got their heads out of the Bible, they'd be more cooperation, at least. I say that with the most respectful tone for Christianity.

And yes, Muslims do have the same God. You can ask Muslim thier beliefs, and there are only a minimal amount of differences. But they practice the same teachings of kindness, love, etc. which is why I think religion can be a good thing.

WOW... you guys got your own little war going on here, forget the Middle East! Why's everybody got to be so b*tchy to one another? It shouldn't be that hard to state an opinion or belief without attacking someone else's character-that's the fastest way to lose an argument (resort to name calling!). My sympathy goes out to you, Superstar... I'm sorry you have to be in the middle of all the violence! It must be pretty irritating when people living in American suburbia try to tell you what's going on when you see it firsthand. Those people (who shall remain nameless) should practice a little empathy in their lives--it would make them better human beings.
By the way, about that comment that Jews, Christians and Muslims have the same god--Yes, the Jews and Christians worship the same God, but the Muslims do not. Whereas Jews and Christians both include the Hebrew Scriptures as being the word of God, the Qur'an is far different from the Torah. Also, it would (as Joey put it) be to one's benefit to research the scriptures before assuming that they are merely fairytales. The Bible is full of HISTORY not legend. Much love to all!

Gemini, you did exactly what I thought you'd do; instead of giving me the evidence, you gave me a summary.

It's just so easy to follow what others say, instead of looking for yourself isn't it?

Which is where you probably got the stuff about the Bible being full of "fairy tales."

So who's close-minded now?

And for someone who doesn't believe in my God, you sure do know how to use His name in vain, don't you?

As for the Israel/Palestine conflict, there will be a time when all the nations and leaders plot to destroy Israel - why? Because Satan KNOWS he's defeated and he KNOWS he's got "one last shot" at trying to become God - but he's not going to make it.

Jesus Christ is coming again, people. The Jews don't believe that now, but don't worry, they will.

And when you people argue the merits of such a topic as this, make sure YOU yourself have looked into it before you go spouting off.

Don't go around thinking you know everything, because odds are, you don't have a CLUE - if only people would read the World's Most Read History Book, you would know the answers to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

There will, however, be a period of peace between Israel and the rest of the world - it's been prophesied and that's what all the world events are coming down to.

However, you can't depend on others' views or statements to get the full picture.

You're going to have to LEARN and have an open mind. Then the Truth shall set you free.

Ok gemini, im sick of this so ill just tell you this,
You have no right to judge me in anyway because you have not lived what i have!
Try living in any israelis shoes for one day and see how it is!
So sujest you shut up because you have no idea what i see everyday!
The pain me and my people go through.
And i dont realy care anymore because it will never be palestine.
It is and will always be ISRAEL!

Who insinuated that your meager comments hurt my feelings? If it makes you feel more secure about your intelligence, continue believing what you wish. I might not be the brightest person in the world, though I have never once claimed to be. And “informatic” is not a word, genius. It’s *informative* That bothers me. And I’ve made my points, but your capacity to understand, or lack there of, makes it difficult to discuss anything.

Oh im sorry did i hurt your feelings? DIDNT MEAN TOO
I may not like you, but i dont hate you i just know that you may not be the brightest person in the world and thats ok with me.
You have to stop quoting me girl!!!gee cant ypou make your own points without using my informatic views??
Get a life ditz...

I'm glad you corrected your spelling problems. I edited some of my posts, trying to simplify more words. And I don't use "big" words. I simply employ certain words that accurately describe my point. If you didn't understand something, I would have been/would be more than happy to provide further clarification.

And I never made a threat towards you. But the webmasters, or "site owners" as you refer to them, are obviously neutral and grant both you and me the right to express our opinions.

And.. uhm.. You claim you don't hate, but:

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you wierd sad pituful excuse of a human being

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So you're a living, breathing, hating oxymoron, now aren't you?

ok girl, dont use big words for your own sake.
and i do believe that was a threat, no?
I dont think the site owners would appreciate "your hate"
I dont hate ppl, i may not like you but i do not hate anyone.
Dont EVER threten me! got it? you wierd sad pituful excuse of a human being.

You're ignorant.

Stop hating, you zealous fundamentalist.

I don't kill people, but if I did, you'd be the first on my lists of fools who pollute the world with hate.

Ok "gemini" ive decided that whatever comes out of your mouth is total bull, and your just a very sad person.
Cant sleep? go kill some innocent people if your so for it.

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It's so refreshing to see non-Believers know about Christianity and about the Bible.

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It's even more sad to see believers whore themselves to a book of comprised fairy tales.

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I would love to see the verse or scripture stating what you just said, gemini.

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Your wish is my command. Actually, I can't waste my time giving you the scriptures, so I'll give you a brief summary:

“The Arabs claim the land that Israel now occupies is theirs. They believe that God promised it to them through Abraham. The Jews also claim this land. They believe that God promised them the land they now have, plus more, through Abraham. As long as the Jews control this land, there will be wars and unrest until one side is destroyed.” Why: Abraham had an affair with Hagar because his wife wouldn’t get pregnant. So he bores a son with Hagar. Then his wife, Sarai got pregnant, hence the conflict. Abe was kind of screwed, huh?

Hagar despised Sarai. Sarai mistreated Hagar. Sarai bore a son named Isaac, who became Abraham’s heir. Ishmael mocked. Sarai wanted Hagar and Ishmael cast out. Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away at God’s direction. Hagar received only food and water.

“The stage was set nearly 4000 years ago. A war that will destroy one-fourth of the world's population is about to take place. This war is outlined in Ezekiel 38 (since you’re so bible-conscious) and other parts of the Bible. Russia, along with other allies, including some of the Arab nations, will soon invade Israel. The stage for what will happen soon was set long ago with Ishmael and Isaac. The descendants of Abram and Ishmael (which include the Arabs) and the descendants of Abraham and Isaac (the Jews) will soon clash one last time. The brothers of the two groups will clash. Bad feelings have always existed between the two, for nearly 4000 years. It may be said that this is the longest running feud in the history of the world. It appears that this seemingly everlasting struggle between the seed of Ishmael and the seed of Isaac cannot cease, until one or the other is destroyed.”

Tada.

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You have some nerve calling me a hyprocit and i will tell you that i do not appreciate your sarcasm

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The truth hurts, and no sarcasm intended.

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its funny how when you guys kill us its ok, but were not allowed to deffend ourselves.

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It's not okay when anyone kills, and I'm not Palestinian, for the last time. Jesus Christ, wake up already.

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What goes around comes around "SWEETIE, the hurt that you cause will eventualy come back to haunt you.
Sweet dreams!

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Nothing haunts me. I haunt other people. I don't sleep, therefore I cannot dream.

so i guess fairplayer, doesn't want to take that bet?

OK,
You have some nerve calling me a hyprocit and i will tell you that i do not appreciate your sarcasm.
When i say "us israeli's" im sorry but i know better than you what our parents teach us, its funny how when you guys kill us its ok, but were not allowed to deffend ourselves.

And if you can insult people, call them hypocritical, look in the mirror and tell me what that makes you.
What goes around comes around "SWEETIE, the hurt that you cause will eventualy come back to haunt you.
Sweet dreams!

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...Bible that The Jews and Muslims are "brothers."

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It's so refreshing to see non-Believers know about Christianity and about the Bible.

I would love to see the verse or scripture stating what you just said, gemini.


Fairplayer, you're obviously not a believer, because you claim the God of me and Jews is the God of all of the earth.

You're right - sorta.

My God created this earth, created the trees and the sky and the universe, but the religions of the world do not all worship the same God.

Jesus Christ is God, okay?

Muslims do not believe that.

May God show you all the light. I have this fear that if the Great Tribulation were to start right now, 98 percent of YouthNOISE would accept the Mark of the Beast.

That's sad.

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Ok gemini sweetie

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DON'T call me "sweetie," you child.

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inform you that as an
Israeli i have NEVER EVER been trained to fight as a child!That is total bull!!

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I never said YOU were. You don't account for the entire Israeli population, genius.

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If anything our parents try to keep us away from all that, unlike palestinians who train their children to fight

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That's a generalization, which makes you both ignorant and hypocritical.

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I hate when ppl here make statments they no nothing about!

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Your hate isn't solving the problem, now is it, Hun?

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I know that as an israeli we are taught how to love and deffinitly not to hate

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Yet another stereotype. Surprising, heh.

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My mom always tells me not to hate palestinians, they are people without a home who will go as far as murdering innocent people to get what they want

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And some Israelis will go as far as murdering innocent Palestinian children to get "what they want." I apologizing for not being on the same biased side you seem to be taking. You condemn hate, yet you practice it. Hmmm...

Ok dude, do you need written proof or what?!
My parents have taught me not to hate anybody!as an israeli i know that we are taught anything but hate.
Even the way you talk about its all about revenge for you guys.

muslims believe jesus was simply a prophet NOT the son of god.

"150 civilian palestinians were killed in the last 2 months"

62 israelis were killed in the last NINE days.. more than 100 other were wounded on monday.. you can't use deaths to make your point, because it is happening on both sides..
also i think you need to learn a little bit about what you are talking about before you go making statements like

"Not a single suicide bomber was less than 21 yrs old , so cut the crap of the palestinians letting their children to go dying"

can you say" get your facts straight? would you like to make a bet on this statement?

Not a single suicide bomber was less than 21 yrs old , so cut the crap of the palestinians letting their children to go dying, & what do you expect , do you want them to like Israel who occupied their land ruined their homes ,& massacred their people,150 civilian palestinians were killed in the last 2 months & when they fight back for their freedom ,they are terrorists!!!!!
Israel is the only terrorist state ,which teach their children to hate islam & other religions,the jews have always offended the profits of God if they didn't kill them, Muslems want Jesus to come more than you think because he won't support the terrorist israel.
before the last suicide bomb, Did Israel stop the killings ? NO,it went on & on with direct order from Ariel Sharon.
You can't expect them to wait till they are all dead, they have to make the israeli's feel part of the pain they feel every day.

And I want to tell you that there is only one God for all the people on earth either Christians,Muslems or Jews.

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Ok gemini sweetie,hate to inform you that as an
Israeli i have NEVER EVER been trained to fight as a child!That is total bull!!
If anything our parents try to keep us away from all that, unlike palestinians who train their children to fight.
I hate when ppl here make statments they no nothing about!
Do not make "flagrant remarks"!!
You have no idea what your talking about!
I know that as an israeli we are taught how to love and deffinitly not to hate.
My mom always tells me not to hate palestinians, they are people without a home who will go as far as murdering innocent people to get what they want.