well before saying that the jews dont control the media especially in the states ( giving u a toatally bised view). SKY NEWS, CNN, CNBC, NBC, the ('best') world news aggencies' holding share is jewish. and for those people saying that there was no masacre in jenin ,well many organisations from all over the world (even american) said the situation was pathetic, agencies removing bodies said that this is even worse than an earthquake, offcourse u dont know about this. and what Kahira said was enough. when i know about news i would like to see pictures not just words that any one can fabricate.preasts, nuns all where with the millitants, they acted as one hand against the israeli soldiers. and all whats in washington news.com is bull****. for god sake give us a proof before saying something, dont just read something and go crazy.
Sad :Look,Israel and the Jewish majority was introduced into historical Palestine by force,at the expense of its inhabitants.Check out www.palestinehistory.com ;see the brief history on palestine.I believe if any of you had suffered similar circumstances as the Palestinians,your response would have been little different if not the same.
Glad you mentioned the Washington rally,which supports Israel unconditionally and had many officials(eg.senators)present.That is part of the Zionist "lobby" that has so much say in the US's blind support of Israel.Incidentally,the anti-Israeli protestors were forcibly removed from the premises(though they numbered far less than the pro-Israelis);surely that suggests that their lack of support for Israel was unacceptable and so they were prevented from expressing their free opinion the way the pro-Israelis were doing.Biased or not?
The Israeli massacres are perfectly true;why do you say they're not and on what basis?Look at againstwar's May 9 post.As for Jenin,are you kidding?Houses were bulldozed,people were buried alive,used as human shields;furthermore,Israel prevented any external viewing of the situation,they prevented the Red Cross from saving dying people right before their eyes because noone was allowed in for weeks,they wouldn't let the media inside.If that doesn't say they had something to hide,I don't know what does!Read my post a few pages back:it's copied from Times and Newsweek magazines.
I think that if you get past Sad's verbal attacks on other people on this board (which are wrong) you'll see that he/she is not speaking of extreme things. Sad is merely telling the truth about the issues, such as why Palestinian ambulances are stopped and about the UN's disgusting bias against Israel. Sad, I agree with you completely, people who spout off about Israel attacking the Palestinians do not realize that this was not done in the years prior to the Intifada when the peace process was still in effect. It was only after repeated attacks against Israel that retaliatory attacks began. These attacks did not ever target civilians, although a small number of civilans did die in them, which is what happens when terrorists hide in urban areas. These attacks were not effective but only because they did not go far enough. Sharon finally relented and went in for a prolonged operation after 7 straight days of suicide bombings which killed and injured hundreds of Israelis, many of them teenagers like you and I. In the month and a half following the start of that operation, in which the IDF dismantled much of the terrorist infrastructure in the West Bank, although the pressure on it from other hypocritical countries was so great that it could not properly finish the job. As a result of the operation there have been only 2 suicide bombings in the past month and a half, as opposed to 7 in seven days directly before it began. Those of you who claim Israeli massacres are either greviously mislead or are straight up lying. Even Palestinians now admit that less than 100 people were killed in the Jenin refugee camp and that only about ten of them were civilians. The IDF could have bombed the camp and killed many more civilians in order to save the lives of its soldiers but it instead chose to go in with ground forces so that the civilian casualty count would stay low. As a result the IDF lost over 20 soldiers. By the way, those of you with illusions about the behavior of the Palestinian militants in Church of the Nativity should read this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20020515-89391238.htm
i personally cant see any reason to blow yourself up and try and take out as many teens as possible with you. the only plausible explinations is that the suicide bomber thought that by killing himself/herself that he/she would end this conflict and bring peace to the middle east. which he/she obviously wont, violence plus violence = alot more killing. as for jewish controlled media either you mean the jewish post or you are as crazy and paranoid as the nazi party is. do you seriously believe that there is a bunch of jews that decide what gets put into the media. THERE IS NO JEWISH PLOT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!! what is wrong with people these days that they cant leave us jews alone. as for my facts, they can be found by any educated person who knows how to read the newspaper. WHICH IS BIASED AGAINST ISRAEL!! dont feel sad for me, feel sad for the hundreds of people (yes both palestinian and israeli) who have died or been injured in Israel. If anyone has been brainwashed it has been the palestinian people into believing that a mad man can lead them to an end. a local journalist said it best (john roberts) "...what the palestinians have to realize is that Israel is going to survive, it will continue to exist. Until they do this war will never end."
well sad 11, i really feel sad 4 u. and i think u have verbal diaria (talking sh**). i want to tell idiotic people like u to think before they say something. think in an open heart and mind if u got them.try to get facts from different resources because ur **** media is brainwashing u. read history (not the fabricated one).
u people always talk about suicide bombings, suicide bombings, cant u use ur dumbbrain and ask urself why and how this guy blow him self up. i dont think because he is an arab or a muslim. there is no action without a reaction, and this is his raection towards the mascares, genocoids happening in palestine ,babies, women, elder even reporters who try to send the whole image are killed and offcourse ur best media (which is controlled and funded by jews) dont show it.
i wanna add that im not against jews (religion) but im against their actions. many jewish organisations are against the state the israel and its actions especially in US, supporting their ideas by the Torah, but unfortunately their effect is very minor also because of the pressure from the jewish lobby and the media.
Sad11 - your absolutly right. i went to a candlelight vigil in Washington DC and everyone was very peaceful and quiet..(on our side of the street) on the opposite side was a counter rally. man, i dont think u need to learn cuss words from eminem anymore. Just go on their side of the street and ull learn all the foul language and dirty words you can take!
I also went to the huge one in Washington DC. I had to miss school to go to that one. But it was worth it. There where about 100 thousand ppl who stood united with israel there. *the only thing that really sucked was that i got this awfull awfull sunburn*
israel never started there so called "invading" of their own land!!! until palestianians decided to make a sport of killing civilians, especially teens. as for people not understanding stopping of the ambulances allow me to use capitals. THERE ARE EXPLOSIVES IN THEM!!! so its alright for palestinians to fight for independence but its not alright for the israelis to defend them selves? if that makes sense to you i dont think you are mentally well. u say palestinians are brave for "getting there own guns" its a crying shame that the PLO police gave them to them. and so did lebanon and syria, so much for getting them on thier own. good try though. i went to the israeli rally on parliment hill in ottawa a couple weeks ago and they only talked of peace, then the palestinian rally was right after and they talked about getting back at israel, who is the crazy ones again. ok just checkin, thanks to all who support israel,
Well, Acerzero, you're right. There is no right in war, only wrong. So I guess we were wrong in stopping the spread of Hitler? So I guess we were wrong in protecting South Korea? So I guess we were wrong in fighting for our independance? So I guess we were wrong in forcing the south back in the union? You people truely do say ignorant things some times.
As for the qoutes I posted, they are universally excepted, there is no reason to give sources because I allready did: the person who said them.
As for the Romans, why don't you foools pick up a history book? Then we will see who really crucified Christ. But wait a minute, that would include comprehending facts, something you people can not do.
I'm back. Proudcon:End of story?Look at all the listings of massacres commited by Israel;they're incomparable to the suicide bombings AND they're done by officials,the military,people with power(and who should thus hold responsibility,only they're not being called upon it)-and you compare this to people who've lost hope blowing themselves up(that should indicate how meaningless life is for them,and for what reason?).The bombings are pretty much the ONLY weapons they have-THEY're not being funded by the US.
What makes you so sure the TV documentary isn't biased?Seems only too easy to paint whatever picture you want with it-besides do you know anything about who made it,where they gathered 'evidence 'from?How do you know Palestinians weren't tortured to 'confess'?It's a coomonplace Israeli strategy.At any rate,if you're willing to buy into it,then maybe you should see all the photos of massacred,tortured Palestinians exploding over the net-before you say:well,they're biased,faked(like you all seem to think our news is),think about everything you see that may have been faked even more easily,considering Arab's weak filming skills and lower budgets. I stand by what I said about the rapings and massacres in Sabra and Shatilla-you can see they're legitimate and that Sharon's"personally responsible";this has been in other posts.Look it up. Incidentally,enlighten me with examples of how I deliberately "twisted words";you seem to be fond of that accusation. Marine: do you never comprehend what's in the posts?Your flimsy unfounded arguements have been disproven over and over again.Reread previous posts if it's such a task for you.And for God's sake the Bible says it was the Jews who were behind the crucifiction,and that the Roman washed his hands clean.For someone who claims to be basing his opinion on the Bible,you should probably read it more properly(or at least the quotes I posted which would save you time looking it up).
Thank you,Diija,marom(and someone else who's nick I forgot).Againstwar,keep it up.Thanks Dante for the info.Sad,just take a look at all the massacres posted by againstwar. Oh,where'd (someone) get that quote from Egyptian President Hussni Mubarak?I doubt it's even legit(and no sources were stated)it's not the kind of thing you say when you're heading a country that (officially)acknowledges Israel;as for the Saudi's,Saudi Arabia 's too dependant on the US and the US is staunchly pro-Israeli.State your sources.
and i suppose U'RE not one sided huh?..get it through yr thick scull u idiot..U R NOT IN THE PALESTINIAN'S SHOES!..THAT'S WHY U WILL NEVER KNOW HOW FRUSTRATIN AND CONFUSIN THEIR SITUATION MUST B...havin the jews come and attack their lands and homes and children..with no one helpin them and no one givin them weapons 2 defend themselves..THEY HAD 2 BRING UP A WAY 2 GET THEIR OWN WEAPONS..AND DEFEND THEMSELVES..i think they're smart and brave coz they depended on themselves when they couldn't trust no one.suicide bombin is yet another war strategy of war!and even if palestinians r sittin behind some church or whatever 2 sniper an israelian soldier..it's bcoz they're invadin their land! HELLO!..hell i'd do that if it was my home they're attackin...don't give yr ****ed up opinions as facts..and about hesbolla u ignorant ****,it's an organization that kicked the isrealians out of my country when they tried 2 invade it...and i'm proud of them..if it weren't 4 them my whole country would've been in danger...besides...what the hell is all that talk about who's land it is 4...what?..do u have yr name written on it?...give me a ****in break.. a person's land is where he's been livin all his life!..r u tryin 2 tell me that they just remembered that its their land now?!...well its not the palestinians' fault,they shouldn't just come in and start killin ppl like that...and about yr silly ****ed up explanation bout why they're not lettin ambulances in...that just doesn't make any sense!..why not say they didn't let them in so they wouldn't report back what they saw there!...u're the one who's onesided!.. if u want go 2 this website..there's a pic of two isrealian soldiers pausin 4 a pic,smilin,with a person killed at their feet!.. www.al-sham.net if u're so fond of websites!..
your facts are completley one sided and disgusting do you know why there weren;t as many jews in the british controlled palestine. The ****** holocaust u piece of ****. as for the control of palsetine's land, the indepedence war just happened to take place in which every neighbouring country attaked israel. thanls for the on sidedness, you talk of us being blind and selfish how about u wake up and realize that not eveything your dictators tell you is true. did u even visit the site that puppysong put up. it shows aras celebrating the killing of jews. it show children with guns and other the horrible work of suicide bombers. the reason there is music is because the person who created the site knew those images are shockin and they wanted to lessen the blow. im sorry for all the people u listed but how many of them were suicide bombers that killed jews in the act of dieng? yeah thats what i thought. another fact i forgot was the palestinians actually kill infomats found in there midst instead of holding a proper trial like the U.N. states. but does the U.N. say anything? no they obviously dont. thank you again
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Its great to see everyone's right mouse button working but is the info getting up to your brains? I would hate to be the bearer of bad news but the U.N. is anit-semetic (racist towards jews) last years meeting on racism turned into an Israel bashing session and why? because there are so many arab countries in the U.N. they basically control it. and other countries want there oil. its sick and disgusting that dictatorship countries like Iraq and Iran can torture there athelets for losing but are outraged at israel for defending them selves. the same goes for the international community. People have always turned a blind eye to the jews. even now in one of israels most turbulent times it can be seen. For instance the red cross/red crescent movement (cross for christians and crescent for muslims) DO NOT FUND THE ISRAEL BRANCH. this supposed "un-biased" organization does not help israel one bit. and why? because israel wants to use the star of david as there symbol. the red cross alows muslim countries to use the crescent but not the jews to use the star of david. i cannot even begin to explain the way people in arab countries suffer, but when israel trys to defend itself against internal terrorism it is condemed by the international community. PLEASE do not believe what you see on TV. all reporting is biased in one way or the other. and now for some quick facts about Arafat, the palestinian leader. HE STARTED THE FATAH AND HESBOLA TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS!! HE WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CAPTURING AND EXECUTING THE ISRAELI OLYMPIC TEAM DURING ONE OF THE OLYMPICS THROUGH THE BLACK SEPTEMBER GROUP. Its disgusting that anyone can support such a man. also why do think the palestinians want "there land" because when israel was created palestine was also created. the surrounding arab countries warned the palestinians that they were about to attack and told them to get out. Israel mircuosly survived and pushed back the invading countries (6 of them) and where was the international community and the U.N.? watching!! with out israel jews will eventually be assimilated into other countries. it is one small piece of democratic land in a see of hating arab nations. israel attacks strategic locations, and the suicide bombers attack teens and children. Israel stops arab amublances because palestians have shot from them and carried explosives to make suicide belts. Palestinians use there children as human shields, as they use churches and houses to sniper israelis. these are all facts, it is sad that others may believe they are not. this situation kinda reminds me of white supermist stating that the holocaust never happened, it did! and anti-semitism is a world wide problem. where there are jews there are people that hate them. that is why my name is sad11 and that is why i emplore everyone to educate them selves in this matter. only through information can the world understand this situation. thank you
U.S. physician detained by Israelis after reporting from Jenin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (Washington, D.C., 5/5/2002) An American physician from California who was visiting the Occupied Territories on a fact-finding mission for a medical relief organization has been detained by Israeli authorities after reporting on the death and destruction he witnessed in the Jenin refugee camp. (MEDIA ADVISORY: A news conference on this issue will be held 9:30 a.m., Monday, May 6, in the Murrow Room of the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. CAIR has also learned of American citizen from Texas, Dallel Mohammed with the relief group Kinder USA [http://www.kinderusa.org], who has also been detained by the Israelis. Details of her detention will be released at the Monday news conference. For information about the news conference, contact 202-256-2000.) The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) tonight announced that Santa Monica-born Dr. Riad Abdelkarim was detained this weekend at Ben Gurion Airport and has now been transferred to a prison in Tel Aviv. The Washington-based Islamic advocacy group is calling on American officials to demand his immediate release and to prevent the Israelis from torturing him, a practice commonly used in that state's prisons. Human rights groups say that the vast majority of detained Palestinians face torture or abuse. A number of those cases have involved Americans of Palestinian heritage. The State Department's web site says U.S. citizens arrested in Israel on alleged security offenses "may be prevented from communicating with lawyers, family members, or consular officers for lengthy periods.U.S. citizens have been subject to mistreatment during interrogation and pressured to sign statements in Hebrew which have not been translated. Under local law they may be detained for up to six months at a time without charges." SEE: http://travel.state.gov/israel_westbank_gaza.html According to his family, Abdelkarim is in the Middle East on a fact-finding mission for Los Angeles-headquartered International Medical Corps (IMC), a global humanitarian nonprofit organization that supports health care training and relief programs in a number of countries, including Angola, Burundi and Serbia. (In December of last year, IMC was named as one of the "100 American philanthropies most likely to save the world" by Worth Magazine. SEE: http://www.imc-la.com/) A medical colleague traveling with Abdelkarim was held and later released by Israeli authorities. Abdelkarim was detained as he was returning to the United States after having witnessed the devastation caused by Israeli forces in the Jenin refugee camp, details of which he reported widely on the Internet. Though born in the United States, he is a Palestinian-American whose family traces its roots to a village near Ramallah in the Occupied Territories. "It seems the Israelis will go to any length to hide their war crimes in Jenin, including imprisoning medical relief workers. This fits a pattern in which Israel forces first prevented aid from reaching the victims in Jenin and then blocked a U.N. investigation into their brutal actions in the camp," said CAIR Board Chairman Omar Ahmad. Along with his medical duties, Abelkarim is active with a number of American Muslim relief and political advocacy organizations. He is a board member of the CAIR chapter in Southern California and was on the board of the now-closed Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. Abdelkarim also coordinates the Independent Writers Syndicate, an editorial service that offers a Muslim perspective on current political, social and religious issues. His commentaries have been published in newspapers nationwide.
PLEASE! did u not read what againstwar wrote?.. hello!!..we're talkin millions here!...just becoz their names r put in a well designed website with "sad" music doesn't mean they're more important than all the ppl who died in palestine defendin their homes and families.!!
Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups. Don't expect any Hollywood films highlighting any of these massacres: Baldat al-Shaikh 31.01.1947 Mansurat al Khayt 18.01.1948 Sa'Sa'a Village 14.02.1948 Qisarya 15.02.1948 Wadi 'Ara 27.02.1948 Abu Kabeer Village 31.03.1948 Dair Yasin 10.04.1948 Irgun 254 Nasir ad Din, Khirbet 12.04.1948 Hawsha 15.04.1948 Al Wa'ra Al-Sawda 18.04.1948 Haifa 21.04.1948 Husayniyya 21.04.1948 Ayn az Zaytun 02.05.1948 Bayt Daras 11.05.1948 Burayr 12.05.1948 Khubbayza 12.05.1948 Abu Shusha 14.05.1948 Al Kibri 21.05.1948 Al Tantoura 21.05.1948 Qazaza 09.07.1948 Lydda 10.07.1948 El-Led 11.07.1948 Al Tira 16.07.1948 Ijzim 24.07.1948 Beer Sheba 21.10.1948 Isdud 28.10.1948 Al Dawayima 29.10.1948 Jish 29.10.1948 Majd al Kurum 29.10.1948 Safsaf 29.10.1948 Sa'sa 30.10.1948 Saliha 30.10.1948 Arab al Samniyya 30.10.1948 Aylabon Village 30.10.1948 Al-Ba'na / Dair Al-Asad 31.10.1948 Al Khisas 18.12.1948 Qibya 14.10.1953 Qalqalya Village 10.10.1956 Kufr Qasim 29.10.1956 Khan Younes 03.11.1956 Khan Younes 12.11.1956 Sabra & Shatila Camps 16.09.1982 Oyon Qara 20.05.1990 Al-Aqsa Mosque 08.10.1990 Ebrahime Mosque 25.02.1994 Qana 18.04.1996
(there have been more but the doc I have dates back to 1996)
List of Palestinian Localities destroyed after the creation of the State of Israel (1948):
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